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originally posted by: quix0tic
a reply to: ThreeDeuce
Thanks for the explanation.
The hand gesture is really interesting. Star Trek basically ripped it and even gave it a similar meaning, peace be with you or however it specifically goes.
My sister's DNA test said we're 3% Middle Eastern Jew or something like that. My Mother's maiden name is Stein which can be Ashkenazi and she looked the part. The Swedish part from my Father's side was a family named Bengssten which translates son of Benjamin and I'm left handed. I'm sure you know about the Benjaminites having lefties and archers.
If I am part, guess what? It means absolutely nothing.
originally posted by: cooperton
a reply to: Raggedyman
Fulfilling the Law is HUGE. He essentially implemented a new system of love over matter:
And he called the people to him and said to them, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person." (Matthew 15:10)
This is also repeated Mark 7 and Luke 11 indicating it is a very important teaching. It is important because the Jews at the time were obsessed with cleanliness laws, which Jesus said the more important part is what is coming out of your mouth from your heart. In other words, your intentions and your love for one another is primary for maintaining a healthy mind body and soul than what you are physically eating. By fulfilling the law he implemented a New Covenant with humankind
Other examples of fulfilling the law include: The punishment of "an eye for an eye", being replaced with turn the other cheek. Do not commit adultery has been replaced with 'do not even think about adultery'... (Again going back to love over matter)
Are the differences in these two words showing the difference between these two terms?
17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’ 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
21And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.
originally posted by: St Udio
a reply to: ThreeDeuce
OTOH, prophecies have other meaning or manifestations over the decades/ages/times--> past and future fulfillments
originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Raggedyman
Would you put more weight to those that god himself supposedly burned into stone.
originally posted by: ThreeDeuce
originally posted by: Raggedyman
I am not Jewish so the sabbath has no real meaning as a requirement to me.
In Jesus we are all the same.
The argument of the fulfillment of Jesus is one of the main ones that I contend with. In the same verse it says that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law, it also states that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law. People interpret this to say that we do not need to follow the Law (because we are saved). I take a different meaning, similar to one of sin. We are asked to try not to sin, and to try and follow the Way that Jesus has showed us ....... but, fear not for we are saved and can be forgiven for our sins, because Jesus Christ died upon the Cross for us.
I take the same viewpoint as the Laws. Of course the sacrifices and sin offerings are spoke out directly against, because there is no need to do these repetitively when Jesus has died for our sins, but there is more Law than that. It is the fulfillment word which throws people off, but I take it to mean that we can be just like Jesus, if we fully follow the Law. If we slip up, then it is no big deal. My God understands how difficult it is. However the big difference is that my God has asked me to show that I can hear him and follow his Law.
The Law is not Abolished, but we have been shown the Way that we should walk, in Jesus's footsteps, as he did. I would question any scholar who suggests that Jesus did not follow the Law, and I would question any clergy who teaches their followers to depart from the Law. One should not add their own interpretation on to the Word of God. If it is written that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, then that is what it means. It does not mean that fulfillment is abolishing of the Law, when it says that he didn't abolish it. I have never understood this from clergy. They are adding to Scripture, and hurting their sheep.