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Democrat/Socialist Leaders Are Lying About President Trump being only one downplaying COVID-19

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posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 12:11 PM
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originally posted by: Doctor Smith
I don't remember Trump downplaying anything. All I remember is Biden saying it wasn't right to keep planes flying in from China out of our country. Trump was being racist by attempting to control our own boarders. Same with Pelosi.

I always thought that the Democrats were trying to get this Covid 19 disease to infect as many Americans as possible. And then later use the media to shift their crimes against humanity to Trump.


It would seem that Trump also thought it wasn't right to keep planes flying in from China every day. There was no 'shut down' of flights to/from China. But Trump also keeps lying about that as well. Big surprise.




posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope
Read more books and listen less to youtube videos.

Thats all I would suggest.


You don't know me, so stop assuming because you are only making an a$$ of yourself when you make a claim without any evidence whatsoever about a person you don't know anything about.

BTW, learn to make a concise and intelligent argument. Making a generalized rhetoric claim without any evidence whatsoever, and which has nothing to do with the topic, only tells me you simply want to dismiss this because it debunks your argument and you have no real counter-argument to speak of whatsoever.

It's time for you to make use of those few brain cells that are still working, if they are still working, and learn to make an actual counter-argument...

I might as well write, I read real scientific books and other books with real facts, not the left-wing BS books left-wingers like you like to think tell the truth...







edit on 11-9-2020 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

And, did the travel bans stop the US from facing the epidemic and having the worst numbers of any country on Earth? Not to mention that the travel bans still allowed American citizens to keep flying in from affected areas. How effective was that EVER likely to be?


Have you been living under a rock, or do you like to make false claims like always?...

There are threads about the fact that in the U.S. the deaths from COVID-19 have been inflated on purpose and other countries have not been, or are not counting the infected and deaths from COVID-19 the same as the U.S. has.


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"There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem," she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. "Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

"The intent is ... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that," she added.
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Birx says government is classifying all deaths of patients with coronavirus as 'COVID-19' deaths, regardless of cause


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Earlier this month, Illinois’s top health official explained that any victim diagnosed with the novel coronavirus would be classified as a COVID-19 death—regardless of whether it contributed to the patient’s death."
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Physicians Say Hospitals Are Pressuring ER Docs to List COVID-19 on Death Certificates. Here’s Why

Apparently even FEE has turned left "despite claiming to be a Libertarian source, but i digress."

Time to Admit COVID-19 Deaths, and Possibly New Cases as well, are Conflated for Political Motives.

Left-wing doctors/physicians have even admitted that the deaths, and even infections, from COVID-19 are being inflated, and if you die of something else but you had COVID-19 it is counted as a COVID death.



This lady even explains that if you were given a few weeks to live, and later you are found to have COVID-19 and died of something else it is still counted as a COVID death.

People have realized that other death causes have been lower than normal. People with respiratory problems, cardiac problems, and other problems whom under normal circumstances their death certificates would have mentioned some other cause, and not COVID-19, are now included as dying of COVID-19.

Fox News even found at least one case in which a man died in a car crash, but had COVID-19 and it was counted as dying of COVID-19. This is probably not the only case since health officials have been admitting that if you had COVID-19, which would include people who are asymptomatic but have COVID-19, are all being counted as dying of COVID-19 even if that death was caused by something else...

But only "never-Trumpers" don't seem to realize what this means.

In fact there was a report from the CDC which admitted that only 6% of all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. were actual people who died because of COVID-19, and not because of something else and they had COVID-19.


...
Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups...

www.cdc.gov...

In fact, in that same report from the CDC they admit that the numbers of people dying with/of COVID-19 includes cases that were not cofirmed as having covid-19, but are presumed, or is probable that they died with/of COVID-19...



...
COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD–10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death – or when it is listed as a “probable” or “presumed” cause — the death is coded as U07.1. This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation.
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www.cdc.gov...


originally posted by: chr0naut
Did you notice the dates on these video's? February 2. And what about the numbers, "two tested in New York". This was way, way, back before anyone knew what was about to go down.


The dates go up to March. Most democrat/socialist leaders were making these claims even in March.


originally posted by: chr0naut
Mostly the same video clips but with some from February 4 & 5. But there was one from March 8. Also, Trump's SOTU address said that his administration were "taking all necessary steps to safeguard Americans from this threat" and that they had "launched many new initiatives" we know that was a lie.


The only one lying is you and the rest of the "never-Trumpers..." Stop shifting the blame when it is people like you the ones truly lying.

The President did make many initiatives that normally would not have occurred, more so if democrat/socialists were in power.

The travel ban from China in the U.S. was implemented only a few days after the first report of CODIV-19 in the U.S. (About 5-6 days after the first case in the U.S.) In fact the U.S. was the very first country to implement the travel ban, which also asked citizens/legal residents of the U.S. whom had come from China, and later Iran and Europe should quarantine themselves. Confirmed cases were made to quarantine to stop the spread as much as possible and it worked.


The early days of a global pandemic: A timeline of COVID-19 spread and government interventions

Even though the President was given the advice not to implement the travel ban from China, which democrats/socialists used to claim "he is a racist," yet his instinct was right and he did the right thing despite you "never-Trumpers" trying to use his fast response against him and lying about the reason why he did this...

Apart from this he sent hospital ships to areas that were thought would have too many cases, like New York, yet for the most part those ships were not used.

He also built several hospitals, gave ppe gear and ventilators even when some demoncrats/socialists like Cuomo were lying and stored ventilators while claiming they needed more.

The only ones lying are you & the rest of the "never-Trumpers." You all have one thing in common, you all LOVE to LIE, and use those LIES to try to bash at the POTUS.




edit on 11-9-2020 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment and excerpt.



posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut
This was back on the 18th of February. How many cases of Coronavirus were confirmed in the US then? The CDC didn't even issue any public warnings until 25 February.


Yet despite the fact that "never-Trumpers" tried to claim that the response by President Trump to implement the travel ban was because "he must be a racist", and despite the fact that he was given the advice not to implement the travel ban so early, his instincts told him otherwise and he took the right action.



originally posted by: chr0naut
Look at the dates in the video's.


Again even in March democrat/socialist leaders were making the same claims about COVID-19...


originally posted by: chr0naut
The WHO got it wrong for less than two weeks after it started. Trump was denying it for six months, while more than a hundred thousand Americans were dead from it.


BS, WHO lied from the start and continue to lie covering for China. As a matter of fact when WHO was asked by a reporter to have an interview, and the reporter asked about Taiwan's response to COVID-19, WHO's speaker ignored the question and didn't want to mention that Taiwan is a country of it's own. In fact in a second interview with that same reporter, she asked again about TAIWAN, and WHO's speaker said "we have already talked about CHINA... This is proof that WHO is a puppet system of the communist dictatorship of China, and they will make reports that are not critical of China, and they even kowtow the false claims from the CCP about Taiwan being part of China.

In the following video starting at about 2:55 minutes you can watch the reporter ask WHO's speaker about Taiwan's response. If you continue watching you will also see the second interview in which this moron claims "we have already talked about CHINA," when the reporter asked about TAIWAN.



WHO continues to deny Taiwan's membership into WHO because they respond to China. Thanks to communists/socialists infiltrated into WHO, Tedros is not a real physician he is a biologist/doctor of philosophy but is a communist, WHO has been for a while now an arm of China's Communist Party.

Taiwan even reported to WHO that they suspected the virus was being transmitted from person to person, while China and WHO kept lying claiming it didn't. Yet that report was ignored by WHO. Just like WHO has ignored mentioning Taiwan's rapid response, or anything good Taiwan has done. They simply claim Taiwan is part of China, which is false.



edit on 11-9-2020 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.



posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 06:23 PM
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originally posted by: okrian

It would seem that Trump also thought it wasn't right to keep planes flying in from China every day. There was no 'shut down' of flights to/from China. But Trump also keeps lying about that as well. Big surprise.


The ones lying are you and the rest of the "never-Trumpers."

Yes there was a travel ban from commercial flights from China... Which New Zealand, and Australia also implemented but since they are left-wing regimes you "never-Trumpers" didn't claim "they must be racists..."



posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut


Have you been living under a rock, or do you like to make false claims like always?...

There are threads about the fact that in the U.S. the deaths from COVID-19 have been inflated on purpose and other countries have not been, or are not counting the infected and deaths from COVID-19 the same as the U.S. has.


US deaths from confirmed COVID-19: 196,328

Next worse country, Brazil, deaths: 129,575

Even if US deaths were inflated by by 148% (and they haven't been. They are as accurate as we can get them), then they would still be the largest number of dead from COVID-19 of any country in the world.


Birx says government is classifying all deaths of patients with coronavirus as 'COVID-19' deaths, regardless of cause

Physicians Say Hospitals Are Pressuring ER Docs to List COVID-19 on Death Certificates. Here’s Why

Apparently even FEE has turned left "despite claiming to be a Libertarian source, but i digress."

Time to Admit COVID-19 Deaths, and Possibly New Cases as well, are Conflated for Political Motives.

Left-wing doctors/physicians have even admitted that the deaths, and even infections, from COVID-19 are being inflated, and if you die of something else but you had COVID-19 it is counted as a COVID death.



This lady even explains that if you were given a few weeks to live, and later you are found to have COVID-19 and died of something else it is still counted as a COVID death.

People have realized that other death causes have been lower than normal. People with respiratory problems, cardiac problems, and other problems whom under normal circumstances their death certificates would have mentioned some other cause, and not COVID-19, are now included as dying of COVID-19.

Fox News even found at least one case in which a man died in a car crash, but had COVID-19 and it was counted as dying of COVID-19. This is probably not the only case since health officials have been admitting that if you had COVID-19, which would include people who are asymptomatic but have COVID-19, are all being counted as dying of COVID-19 even if that death was caused by something else...

But only "never-Trumpers" don't seem to realize what this means.

In fact there was a report from the CDC which admitted that only 6% of all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. were actual people who died because of COVID-19, and not because of something else and they had COVID-19.


...
Comorbidities
Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups...

www.cdc.gov...

In fact, in that same report from the CDC they admit that the numbers of people dying with/of COVID-19 includes cases that were not cofirmed as having covid-19, but are presumed, or is probable that they died with/of COVID-19...



...
COVID-19 deaths are identified using a new ICD–10 code. When COVID-19 is reported as a cause of death – or when it is listed as a “probable” or “presumed” cause — the death is coded as U07.1. This can include cases with or without laboratory confirmation.
...

www.cdc.gov...


originally posted by: chr0naut
Did you notice the dates on these video's? February 2. And what about the numbers, "two tested in New York". This was way, way, back before anyone knew what was about to go down.


The dates go up to March. Most democrat/socialist leaders were making these claims even in March.


originally posted by: chr0naut
Mostly the same video clips but with some from February 4 & 5. But there was one from March 8. Also, Trump's SOTU address said that his administration were "taking all necessary steps to safeguard Americans from this threat" and that they had "launched many new initiatives" we know that was a lie.


The only one lying is you and the rest of the "never-Trumpers..." Stop shifting the blame when it is people like you the ones truly lying.


The fact that the case mortality of the US is towards the middle of the range of that of all countries (at @ 3%) immediately debunks those previous exceptions, or else EVERY other country is lying.


The President did make many initiatives that normally would not have occurred, more so if democrat/socialists were in power.

The travel ban from China in the U.S. was implemented only a few days after the first report of CODIV-19 in the U.S. (About 5-6 days after the first case in the U.S.) In fact the U.S. was the very first country to implement the travel ban, which also asked citizens/legal residents of the U.S. whom had come from China, and later Iran and Europe should quarantine themselves. Confirmed cases were made to quarantine to stop the spread as much as possible and it worked.


The early days of a global pandemic: A timeline of COVID-19 spread and government interventions

Even though the President was given the advice not to implement the travel ban from China, which democrats/socialists used to claim "he is a racist," yet his instinct was right and he did the right thing despite you "never-Trumpers" trying to use his fast response against him and lying about the reason why he did this...

Apart from this he sent hospital ships to areas that were thought would have too many cases, like New York, yet for the most part those ships were not used.

He also built several hospitals, gave ppe gear and ventilators even when some demoncrats/socialists like Cuomo were lying and stored ventilators while claiming they needed more.

The only ones lying are you & the rest of the "never-Trumpers." You all have one thing in common, you all LOVE to LIE, and use those LIES to try to bash at the POTUS.


You know the truth of what has happened in the US. The results are unavoidably and inexcusably obvious.

Have you noticed how you have to keep thinking up all these elaborate and increasingly dubious excuses, which usually take one specific case and then assume that is the way everything is done? And you never even think that there is no motivation for anyone to do these horrible and destructive things.

You have slipped from reason into an emotional and manipulated response to this.

edit on 11/9/2020 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 07:43 PM
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Ok so this post admites Trump lied and downplayed the virus JUST LIKE the Democrats did . Thanks for clearing that point up .
Thing is Trump is running for president NOT the Democratic party .



posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 07:47 PM
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Yes Trump issued a travel band which was ignored for all the good it did .
Then spent the next Month saying how great every thing was how good of a job he did and how the virus was nothing no big deal a Democrat plot .

Theres Is NO question the Democrats did ZIP nada There is also No question what little trump did had almost no effect .

Or does Trump have ANY responsibility for any thing as president ? Sounds like a bunch of 5 years olds here .
OOO BUT Billy did such and such as if this makes it ok for Trump to do The same things .



posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 11:36 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut
This was back on the 18th of February. How many cases of Coronavirus were confirmed in the US then? The CDC didn't even issue any public warnings until 25 February.


Yet despite the fact that "never-Trumpers" tried to claim that the response by President Trump to implement the travel ban was because "he must be a racist", and despite the fact that he was given the advice not to implement the travel ban so early, his instincts told him otherwise and he took the right action.


Travel bans were a good idea, and they were implemented nice and early, although many other countries implemented travel bans and other countermeasures, on the same day, and some even earlier. Trump wasn't the 'first' as he has repeatedly claimed).

The problem with Trump's travel bans were that that it was only against foreigners coming from those locations. They still let US citizens return from affected areas. They, the US citizens, clearly must brought the virus with them, because look at what actually happened.

Despite all the claims, there is the incontrovertible evidence of what has actually happened.



originally posted by: chr0naut
Look at the dates in the video's.


Again even in March democrat/socialist leaders were making the same claims about COVID-19...


originally posted by: chr0naut
The WHO got it wrong for less than two weeks after it started. Trump was denying it for six months, while more than a hundred thousand Americans were dead from it.


BS, WHO lied from the start and continue to lie covering for China. As a matter of fact when WHO was asked by a reporter to have an interview, and the reporter asked about Taiwan's response to COVID-19, WHO's speaker ignored the question and didn't want to mention that Taiwan is a country of it's own. In fact in a second interview with that same reporter, she asked again about TAIWAN, and WHO's speaker said "we have already talked about CHINA... This is proof that WHO is a puppet system of the communist dictatorship of China, and they will make reports that are not critical of China, and they even kowtow the false claims from the CCP about Taiwan being part of China.

In the following video starting at about 2:55 minutes you can watch the reporter ask WHO's speaker about Taiwan's response. If you continue watching you will also see the second interview in which this moron claims "we have already talked about CHINA," when the reporter asked about TAIWAN.



WHO continues to deny Taiwan's membership into WHO because they respond to China. Thanks to communists/socialists infiltrated into WHO, Tedros is not a real physician he is a biologist/doctor of philosophy but is a communist, WHO has been for a while now an arm of China's Communist Party.

Taiwan even reported to WHO that they suspected the virus was being transmitted from person to person, while China and WHO kept lying claiming it didn't. Yet that report was ignored by WHO. Just like WHO has ignored mentioning Taiwan's rapid response, or anything good Taiwan has done. They simply claim Taiwan is part of China, which is false.


Every bit of rhetoric and 'excusism' falls when you look at the situation the US is currently in and ask yourself, "how did it get like this".

edit on 11/9/2020 by chr0naut because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 11 2020 @ 11:48 PM
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originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Doctor Smith
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Plus. Many of these deaths are being coded as death by Covid 19. Hospitals get double the money from the government.


Fact-check: Do hospitals get paid more to list patients as having coronavirus? - Statesman

Ah, the Facebork generation...


I have never used Facebook and have no account. My sister said her friends relative died in a hospital of a heart attack. The hospital wanted her to sign a document to code the death as COVID 19. She was offered money to comply but she refused because she was raised to be honest. Unlike me I would have taken the money.


If such is the case, it is an indictment of your health services, which are highly profit-centric rather than being prominently focused upon best practice for patient care.



posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 02:35 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

US deaths from confirmed COVID-19: 196,328


Already proved those are not confirmed cases... The CDC has even admitted that they count even suspected, but not confirmed cases... Your reading comprehension is near zero. You are actively ignoring facts shown to you. The one resorting to emotions is you.



originally posted by: chr0naut
Even if US deaths were inflated by by 148% (and they haven't been. They are as accurate as we can get them), then they would still be the largest number of dead from COVID-19 of any country in the world.


ROFLMAO... 96% of the cases that have been counted as COVID-19 deaths actually died of other causes. Not because of COVID-19...


originally posted by: chr0naut
The fact that the case mortality of the US is towards the middle of the range of that of all countries (at @ 3%) immediately debunks those previous exceptions, or else EVERY other country is lying.


It does not when there are countries that have very, very low cases of COVID-19. Taiwan as an example, even though they have 24 million people, they only have had about 498 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 7 deaths.

www.cdc.gov.tw...

So again, you don't know what you are talking about.

www.cdc.gov.tw...
You know the truth of what has happened in the US. The results are unavoidably and inexcusably obvious.

Have you noticed how you have to keep thinking up all these elaborate and increasingly dubious excuses, which usually take one specific case and then assume that is the way everything is done? And you never even think that there is no motivation for anyone to do these horrible and destructive things.

You have slipped from reason into an emotional and manipulated response to this.


WOW... You are caught lying, evidence which disproves your claim that President Trump didn't do anything is shown to you and now your argument is that because I posted evidence that he did more and earlier than other countries you want to claim this is proof that you are right?...


The only one that "slipped from reason into emotional and manipulated response" is you... I am guessing you copied got that phrase from your psychiatrist...

My reasoning is right, and my responses reach a conclusion from the evidence which debunks your lies. Give it up already.



posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 02:38 AM
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originally posted by: midnightstar
Ok so this post admites Trump lied and downplayed the virus JUST LIKE the Democrats did . Thanks for clearing that point up .
Thing is Trump is running for president NOT the Democratic party .


First of all, Biden is also running for President, and he is lying to you but you don't care.

Second of all, President Trump didn't lie. Democrats are lying now, they were not lying at first because at first it is what everyone thought because that's what WHO's communist director, Tedros, and China claimed...

The ones that lied from the start were China and WHO. Democrats are lying now claiming only President Trump made these claims, and only he changed opinion.

If you can't understand this, there is no way you can understand more complex discussions.





edit on 12-9-2020 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 02:44 AM
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originally posted by: midnightstar
Yes Trump issued a travel band which was ignored for all the good it did .


It wasn't ignored...


originally posted by: midnightstar
Then spent the next Month saying how great every thing was how good of a job he did and how the virus was nothing no big deal a Democrat plot .


Wrong. Again conflating and lying about what he said. He said democrats using COVID-19 to attack him is the new hoax. You, like the rest of "never-Trumpers," need reading comprehension classes.


originally posted by: midnightstar
Theres Is NO question the Democrats did ZIP nada There is also No question what little trump did had almost no effect .


False. If democrats had been in power we would have more infected, and more deaths from COVID-19.


originally posted by: midnightstar
Or does Trump have ANY responsibility for any thing as president ? Sounds like a bunch of 5 years olds here .
OOO BUT Billy did such and such as if this makes it ok for Trump to do The same things .


If anyone is 5 years old, it seems to be you, and the rest of never-Trumpers, as you all continue to ignore and dismiss what President Trump has been doing.



edit on 12-9-2020 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 02:57 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

Travel bans were a good idea, and they were implemented nice and early, although many other countries implemented travel bans and other countermeasures, on the same day, and some even earlier. Trump wasn't the 'first' as he has repeatedly claimed).


Yet you keep lying despite the fact that I proved you wrong...

I gave you a graph and even circled in red the response of the U.S. to introduce the travel ban, which was earlier than any other country... Yet you are claiming we weren't the first?... LOL Again, you are resorting to "emotional responses' while ignoring all the facts you are shown...





originally posted by: chr0naut
The problem with Trump's travel bans were that that it was only against foreigners coming from those locations. They still let US citizens return from affected areas. They, the US citizens, clearly must brought the virus with them, because look at what actually happened.


Those people were U.S. residents and citizens. People were screened, if there was no suspicion of having COVID-19 they were asked to isolate themselves anyway for 14 days.

One of my cousins had gone to Canary island to visit her boyfriend, and after she came back she was screened, she appeared to not have COVID-19 so she quarantined herself in her apartment, and her daughter brought her food during that time.

This is what most people did.



originally posted by: chr0naut
Despite all the claims, there is the incontrovertible evidence of what has actually happened.


The evidence debunks your lies...


originally posted by: chr0naut

Every bit of rhetoric and 'excusism' falls when you look at the situation the US is currently in and ask yourself, "how did it get like this".


Ironic since the states that got it worse have been mostly democrat states. States like Wyoming and South Dakota got very few cases, even thou people were not forced to do the things that people have been forced to do in New York, Calihellfornia etc.

As for "rhetoric and making up excuses"? It is you the one making up excuses and reaching false conclusions... Even when evidence is shown to you that you are wrong you claim that having so much evidence debunking your claims makes you right... Reason has ceased to exist in your mind. Apparently your TDS has lowered your IQ to levels that it doesn't let you reach reasonable conclusions.





edit on 12-9-2020 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 03:12 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

How do you even know? You don't. You are only following the Borg group think.
You don't even know how transparent it is to those who are still individuals.



posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: chr0naut

You really think we had 200000 deaths?

Even if that number isn't greatly exaggerated didn't they say in the beginning that we could have up to 1-2 million deaths?

Covid is just tool for November. Democrat Republican I don't care just don't be a sheep


COVID-19 has been a problem around the world where they don't even have Democratic party and Republican party members, nor do they give much credence to the American political situation.

Even countries that are enemies of the USA have been affected by COVID-19.



posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 05:51 PM
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posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

COVID-19 has been a problem around the world where they don't even have Democratic party and Republican party members, nor do they give much credence to the American political situation.

Even countries that are enemies of the USA have been affected by COVID-19.


Yet those countries have been opening their businesses, and schools. But now demoncrats/socialists are openly stating that they don't want to open the country until after the election. This makes no sense whatsoever unless demoncrats/socialists in power in the U.S. are using COVID-19 as a political tool to drive the economy through the ground while President Trump is still in power, but demoncrats/socialists in power hope that they win the election and then they can open the economy, schools etc...

If demoncrats/socialists in power in the U.S. really though the virus was that bad, why is it that they have been caught ignoring their own calls for people to stay at home, or to have a mask when in public?

Pelosi was caught without a mask in a salon, and she has the galls to claim she was set up and it is the fault of the salon owner...

Cuomo, the news liar who works for Castro's News Network, was caught when he had the virus going to a park in New York but far from his home and with his entire family... Even though his own brother, and CNN's Cuomo as well, were claiming that there were too many people in parks, or out in the streets in New York and throughout the country and that needs to change...





Then there is that other authoritarian governor of Michigan, Gretchen Whitmer. When her husband was caught attempting to use his wife's influence to get their boat released, she first claimed it was all a lie and her husband didn't do that. Then she changed her tune and claimed her husband just used a fail attempt at a joke...



BTW, the above video was made before Whitmer first denied, and then claimed it was a joke her husband attempted to make, which proves what the owner of the dock stated.



Let's not forget that Whitmer gave the same order that Deblasio gave to nursing homes demanding that they accept COVID-19 patients, which caused thousands of seniors to contract and die from the virus...

Or what about Pennsylvania Health Secretary Rachel Levine, who moved her mother out of a personal care home while demanding that senior homes should accept patients with COVID-19, which also caused many seniors to contract and die from COVID-19...

PA Health Secretary Moved Mother Out Of Personal Care Home After Ordering Nursing Homes To Accept COVID Patients

But of course "never-Trumpers" shift the blame and attempt to claim "it was President Trump's fault..." That's how deluded you "never-Trumpers" are...

Anyways, there are dozens and dozens of examples just like the ones above, in which demoncrats/socialists show how authoritarian they are demanding that everyone follow their orders, except their family and themselves...

Another example of the untethered authoritarianism of demoncrats/socialists in power is that of Illinois' governor, J.B. Pritzker, who sent his wife and family to Florida while demanding that everyone else stays in their homes in Illinois.

Illinois’ Democrat Governor Melts Down After Reporter Asks Why Family Is Spending Lockdown In Florida

This is what demoncrats/socialists are, a bunch of authoritarians whom want to control everyone else's lives, but don't want their family or themselves to be ruled by the same rules they demand everyone else must follow. This even happens when it comes to the second amendment, in which several demoncrats/socialists have been demanding to ban firearms while they have been caught having firearms, or are caught red handed with illegal firemars while they demand everyone else's right to the second amendment should be controlled...





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posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 09:28 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: chr0naut

US deaths from confirmed COVID-19: 196,328

Already proved those are not confirmed cases...


No, you said it, but that doesn't prove it. I can provide data that counters your data. Therefore, neither case is 'proven' until one can eliminate one of the sets of data as fallacious.


The CDC has even admitted that they count even suspected, but not confirmed cases... Your reading comprehension is near zero. You are actively ignoring facts shown to you. The one resorting to emotions is you.


A comorbidity does not mean that someone did not die from one of them. It means that there were multiple factors that together caused death. Generally, the virus in end stages of the patient causes a cascade of organ failures and conditions, these are comorbidities.



originally posted by: chr0nautEven if US deaths were inflated by by 148% (and they haven't been. They are as accurate as we can get them), then they would still be the largest number of dead from COVID-19 of any country in the world.
ROFLMAO... 96% of the cases that have been counted as COVID-19 deaths actually died of other causes. Not because of COVID-19...


96% is still less than 148%. Even by your own measures (which I strongly doubt), the USA has more deaths from COVID-19 than any other country.



originally posted by: chr0naut
It does not when there are countries that have very, very low cases of COVID-19. Taiwan as an example, even though they have 24 million people, they only have had about 498 confirmed cases of COVID-19 and 7 deaths.

www.cdc.gov.tw...

So again, you don't know what you are talking about.


In a statistical distribution, having a median value in a distribution tells you that the closer to the median you come, the closer to the normal, or average of all values, you are. This is what is shown by the USA's COVID-19 case-mortality figures.

It tends to prove out the validity of the US case-mortality statistics that they are close to the average of all countries.



www.cdc.gov.tw... know the truth of what has happened in the US. The results are unavoidably and inexcusably obvious.

Have you noticed how you have to keep thinking up all these elaborate and increasingly dubious excuses, which usually take one specific case and then assume that is the way everything is done? And you never even think that there is no motivation for anyone to do these horrible and destructive things.

You have slipped from reason into an emotional and manipulated response to this.
WOW... You are caught lying, evidence which disproves your claim that President Trump didn't do anything


I said that what he did do, was ineffective.


is shown to you and now your argument is that because I posted evidence that he did more and earlier than other countries you want to claim this is proof that you are right?...



Trump claims he was the first to implement a travel ban from China. The truth is that there were 45 other countries that implemented various travel limitations relating to the epidemic, before the US did on Feb 2nd:

Travel Restrictions on China due to COVID-19 - Think Global Health, The Council on Foreign Relations

Also, Trump's "travel ban" allowed US citizens and their families to still travel into the US from affected areas, so it was ineffective by design:

The Facts on Trump’s Travel Restrictions - FactCheck.org


The only one that "slipped from reason into emotional and manipulated response" is you... I am guessing you copied got that phrase from your psychiatrist...


I don't "copied got" a psychiatrist - whatever that is.




My reasoning is right, and my responses reach a conclusion from the evidence which debunks your lies. Give it up already.


The repetition of often repeated propaganda is not 'reasoning'.

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posted on Sep, 12 2020 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: Doctor Smith

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: Doctor Smith
a reply to: Breakthestreak

Plus. Many of these deaths are being coded as death by Covid 19. Hospitals get double the money from the government.



Even at ten times the fake numbers, the reaction should not be to shut down the world.
And like you say, the numbers are fake.


Trump was right to downplay the threat of this innocuous virus.

And the thread OP is definitely correct. dEmocrats were most certainly downplaying it too.

And ‘the left’ most definitely opposed the President’s suggestion of stopping flights from China. To the applause of their supporters.


The numbers are likely bloated. But I know some that have died from it. So it's a deadly disease.

Don't want to derail the thread but......... My sister knows of 2 in a nursing home that she suspects were infected by a covid 19 test. Both of them were healthy right until the minute they were swabbed.


I know many people who died from car accidents, doesn't mean I am going to shut down economy or stop driving because of it.



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