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Critical race theory thread #2. Why it’s a cult and what they want -> socialism.

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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 09:57 AM
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I get so freaking tired of non Americans and leftists coming here and lecturing us Americans on all this horse hooey. Maybe the Europeans actually owned people of color and have more expertise on this than us but I doubt it. Seriously doubt it. I’m 61, and I’m 3/4 Hispanic. My dad was Swiss Hispanic and my mom is blacker than Tina Turner. I grew up in the Dallas area and I went to a High School that had more Hispanics and blacks than white. I’ve went to Mississippi with my father in the 60’s and I lived there in the 70’s . I spent significant time in Louisiana, Alabama, and Georgia in the 70’s I joined the service in the 70’s just after the Vietnam war, then I went to college and got my engineering degree with minors in physics and history. I went to law school to study patent law but didn’t care for it. So I became an engineer/scientist for the Navy.

I experienced real racism back in the 60’s and was chased beat up and called names because I am Hispanic and many thought my mom was black though she was fully Hispanic. I saw signs in Mississippi when I was a kid that said “ no n**gers, dogs or airmen” I saw blacks walking on the other side of the street, in the 60’s. I saw the riots in the 68 time frame when things were really bad in Miami and Chicago. I remember Governor Wallace trying to bar blacks from schools ( as an aside I was in Dallas the Day Kennedy was shot and asked my mom why the people were on the street) . My mom told me that she was barred from stores and parks growing up in Texas in the 30’s and 40’s.

That was real racism. When I went back to Mississippi in the 70’s my best buddies were black/Japanese and Native American . I saw some individual racism then but it had really tapered off from the 60’ and we were all over the south hunting and fishing while living in Mississippi.

There is no systematic racism in today’s US. If you want to see real racism ( there’s individual racists around but it’s so nuanced it’s hard to find it) go to an Asian country, or other countries that hold their nationalism more seriously than we do. The only systematic racism is affirmative action.

This is a completely manufactured crisis. If you want to see HOW it can be manufactured just go to YouTube and watch the series on Evergreen college in Olympia Washington . There’s a short 3 part series by Mike Nayna, or a VERY in depth series over 22 parts by Benjamin Boyce on how a bunch of students inflamed by a black racist “ professor “ who taught critical race theory at Evergreen stats college.

Evergreen is probably THE most liberal college in the US in one of the most progressive states in the US yet these “ students” Black, black trans gender and gay thought they were being persecuted every day of their lives at that school. They took over and revolted, all in an imaginary land of theirs, manufactured by critical race theory. This has happened all over, in slightly lesser forms, in most other universities in the country.

Now it’s pervasive in big tech and in our corporate world. At evergreen you’ll see the college president run over and he bends the knee. This same thing is now happen in city councils, and everywhere else bureaucracy can be affected. That school in 2017 is a microcosm of what’s happening now all over. This has nothing to do with racism because if it did they’d have real examples and all they do is call people names ( racist, bigots and homophobic) and they use terms inclusive, diversity and most importantly equity. Equity in the code name for socialism. Social Justice Is code for tearing down capitalism and replacing it with socialism.( this is specifically called out in Robyn DiAngelos(A critical race pusher) book “Are we created equal”) This has NOTHING to do with black lives because if it did they’d be protesting the 7500 Black Americans that die each year in black on black crime instead of the 16-18 black criminals that are killed by police.

If you want to see that all this is based on false science and how the gay movement was involved ( it was in gay journals that all this critical race theory got “ published “ then became main stream in university doctrine back in the 80’s and 90’s) . It all came from some communist French philosophers named Michel Focoult Jacques Derrida, and another one named Leconte. They were out there even for a French but for some reason they gained traction with some American PhD communist students and they started this movement here. Then it festered in universities for decades until it is now in our every day life unfortunately.

You can get more on this from James Lindsay, Peter Boghossian both atheist liberal professors here in the US. Boghassian teaches at , interestingly , at Portland State. And Helen Pluckrose who wanted to get her PhD in women’s Middle Ages theology but couldn’t because her advisors kept pushing the social justice angle which didn’t exist in the dark ages, is working closely with Lindsay and Boghassian, she’s from the UK

They’ve done a ton of research on where social justice came from and are the experts on the social justice cancer that taken over our western society. They have a bunch of lectures on YouTube that you can watch, especially James Lindsay. James does not teach ( his PhD is in math) Professor Boghossian has paid dearly for this research, and is under assault at Portland State for exposing this whole thing.

They wrote a bunch of papers that were fake and got them published in serious academic journals to show how far the social justice movement has gone over the edge. Some of their papers have garnered awards from the academy even though they are 100% BS. One was just Hitlers Mein Kampf, rewritten from a feminist prospective. Another was using Dog park logic to break men from the so called rape culture. But the social justice warrior reviewers ate the papers up. Saying “ wonderful scholarship!!”

The social justice world was not happy with these scholars after it was exposed. But they’ve ( Lindsay er al.)shown how this whole movement is completely manufactured. People like Rene DiAngelo who wrote White Fragility and is a self avowed racist, are the ones getting this cult into our middle schools and high schools down from the university level. Now we have books like“ how to be an anti racist“ by Ibram Kendi that are saying the way to beat racism ( THAT DOESN’T EXIST) by being RACIST! So this needs to STOP. And now looting is justified all based on fake science.

This is all manufactured and fake. This is nothing more than a socialist movement and has nothing to do with racism ( other than an excuse for reverse racism) and nothing to do with black lives or police. It’s just that the police are the most obvious and easily attacked, symbol of our system.

Anyone who is even halfway intelligent can do the same research I did and come to the same conclusion. I’ve seen and FELT real racism and it’s NOT what is happening now. NOBODY is being oppressed, ANYONE can do what I did, to get out of the poverty cycle, but it requires work, which a lot of these young people don’t want to do, these days . I had no money no parent support or anybody to give me a handout, as a minority, yet I still made a decent life for me and my family. Now I have 2 sons who are scientists also.

So don’t just watch CNN or quote Time magazine, go out there an educate YOURSELF. Don’t be lazy and just be empathetic to a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum.



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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:02 AM
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BTW now I live in the upper Northwest, and I fish all over Idaho Oregon Montana & Wyoming . I’ve never run into these “ far right white supremest or skinheads or KKK members“ the press keep talking about. I never saw them in the Deep South either. So where are all these “ far right hate” groups at Mr Nadler?



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:11 AM
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Fantastic OP. I appreciate all of the info so very much! Boy, that business with the papers being published- I am not surprised at all. I would really love to read those papers and the whole story around those- do you have any info on which journals published them?

Thank you for sharing your story. And thank you for being a shining example of how to live, even when one is oppressed. Thank you for your invaluable perspective.
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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:19 AM
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a reply to: Paul911GT3

They want to blatantly discriminate. California Democrats are trying to overturn (yes, you heard that right) anti-discrimination law.

They want to get rid of Proposition 209 which prohibits the state from discriminating against, or granting preferential treatment to, any individual or group on the basis of race, sex, color, ethnicity, or national origin in the operation of public employment, public education, or public contracting.

newdiscourses.com...


Critical Race Theory is against free societies.

Critical Race Theory is not a liberal idea. It is, in fact, critical of liberal societies and against the idea of freedom to its core. Critical Race Theory sees a free society as a way to structure and maintain inequities by convincing racial minorities not to want to do radical identity politics. Since Critical Race Theory exists specifically to agitate for and enable radical racial identity politics, it is therefore against free societies and how they are organized. (In this way, it is very different than the Civil Rights Movement it incorrectly claims to continue.)

Critical Race Theory sees free societies and the ideals that make them work—individualism, freedom, peace—as a kind of tacit conspiracy theory that we all participate in to keep racial minorities down. When its advocates accuse people of being “complicit in systems of racism,” this is part of what they mean. Obviously, they would prefer that we do not have free societies and would rather arrange society as they see fit and make us all go along with their ideas.



ballotpedia.org...(2020)


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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:26 AM
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There is no systematic racism in today’s US.


You guys are so full of sh!t these days its getting funny.

Like there isn't really any point is even bothering now to pretend I just wish you lot would just come out and admit that your mostly secretly far right racists.

Denying systemic racism exists is like denying the gender pay gap exists or that homophobia exists.

I remember a time when I actually used to try debating stuff like this on this site but its pointless because a fair few of you (not all of of you) are really just what I call "Covert Racists". You don't come out and claim that you are the superior race because you know how much you would get slammed for that so instead you dress up your racism with other crap like this. You deny racism exists, you dress it up pretending that BLM are the racists, you tolerate the racists like Richard Spencer and so on.

Lots of you are racists you just don't like the label, you don't like the definition and how it applies to you so you talk and walk like a racist you just leave the white robe at home and pretend your a political idealist. Its a bit like that old story about putting lipstick on a pig and calling it a lady. Loads of people on ATS are in my view, racist. Its just that you all deny (at times to yourself which is hilarious) that you are actually racist because you don't want the stigma that goes with it.

Have fun burning me for this post, hell if your a mod, have fun banning me for calling out the systematic racism on ATS.




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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:28 AM
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Great thread, hope you are ready when they come in screaming about its just anecdotal and doesnt mean anything just because YOU havent seen systemic racisim.

I came a long about a decade after you and what I have seen pretty much lined up with what you said.

Its odd as a kid, my dad (banker at the time) would join some ranchers and store owners over at a mexicans house for cards on the weekend, people of all races and economic standards in the 1970's and as we have "progressed" I have seen less and less intermingling and more and more segregation.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:38 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

So you post a quote with no source.

What are you afraid of ?

🦃



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

So you post a quote with no source.

What are you afraid of ?

🦃


I literally quoted the OP


What are you afraid off?


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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Sure, there is still racism. Nothing like it was decades ago.

But this "critical race theory" is exactly the opposite of Martin Luther King's dream.

It is blatant discrimination to supposedly correct perceived discrimination. It is authoritarian and is complete thought and speech control.

No thanks.




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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:43 AM
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“Systemic racism” is a massive joke. But it’s a sign of how good things have become, which you point out in your OP. They cannot even point to any racism beyond their own race-centered worldview, so they pretend it is ubiquitous, like air, built into the system. But still, they cannot point to any racism.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: Paul911GT3

Fantastic read.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Paul911GT3


If you want to see that all this is based on false science and how the gay movement was involved ( it was in gay journals that all this critical race theory got “ published “ then became main stream in university doctrine back in the 80’s and 90’s) . It all came from some communist French philosophers named Michel Focoult Jacques Derrida, and another one named Leconte. They were out there even for a French but for some reason they gained traction with some American PhD communist students and they started this movement here. Then it festered in universities for decades until it is now in our every day life unfortunately.


This was such a well written and argued post. When I got to this paragraph I had to pause because the names Foucault and Derrida featured heavily in the literary criticism I studied in college (c. 2005).

I pulled a copy of The Critical Tradition: Classic Texts and Contemporary Trends off my shelf for a review. Sure enough, Derrida and Foucault make several appearances. Derrida's work was titled "Structure, Sign, and Play in the Discourse of the Human Sciences," while Foucault had several works included called "What is an Author?," "Las Meninas," and "The History of Sexuality". The book is also highly influenced by Maxism, deconstructionism, and new historicism.
It's embeded in academia.


Deconstuctionism suits this topic really well, imo.


Deconstructionism (or sometimes just Deconstruction) is a 20th Century school in philosophy initiated by Jacques Derrida in the 1960s. It is a theory of literary criticism that questions traditional assumptions about certainty, identity, and truth; asserts that words can only refer to other words; and attempts to demonstrate how statements about any text subvert their own meanings.

Although Derrida himself denied that it was a method or school or doctrine of philosophy (or indeed anything outside of reading the text itself), the term has been used by others to describe Derrida's particular methods of textual criticism, which involved discovering, recognizing and understanding the underlying assumptions (unspoken and implicit), ideas and frameworks that form the basis for thought and belief.

Deconstructionism is notoriously difficult to define or summarize, and many attempts to explain it in a straight-forward, understandable way have been academically criticized for being too removed from the original texts, and even contradictory to the concepts of Deconstructionism. Some critics have gone so far as to claim that Deconstruction is a dangerous form of Nihilism, leading to the destruction of Western scientific and ethical values, and it has been seized upon by some conservative and libertarian writers as a central example of what is wrong with modern academia. Richard Rorty (1931 - 2007) has attempted to define Deconstruction as the way in which the "accidental" (or incidental) features of a text can be seen as betraying or subverting its essential message.


www.philosophybasics.com...
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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin


There is no systematic racism in today’s US.



.... is like denying the gender pay gap exists

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This is one of the "facts" that cost Corbyn the election in this country. Amongst others of course. The reality is there is an overall lifetime earnings gap, primarily due to the fact that most women at some point have children. Leading on from that many of those leave full time employment to raise and care for their children.

Outside of science fiction-levels of genetic modification, I don't think that can be changed. Nor should it be really.

This is true here, and true in America.
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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: zosimov

I've had a hard time wrapping my head around Derrida's philosophy, especially since he almost explicitly rejects any form of criticism, or refuses to give it either. I guess that's why he was so attached to Nietzsche.

I always felt that those who attempted to go beyond, or take Nietzsche in a somewhat serious manner are in for a lost endless thought process.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:19 AM
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originally posted by: Paul911GT3
BTW now I live in the upper Northwest, and I fish all over Idaho Oregon Montana & Wyoming . I’ve never run into these “ far right white supremest or skinheads or KKK members“ the press keep talking about. I never saw them in the Deep South either. So where are all these “ far right hate” groups at Mr Nadler?


They do exist, but they mostly hide under rocks.

I live in Missouri. Occasionally, there's a flap because someone papers windshields with flyers in a parking lot somewhere, and some election, one crawled out from under a rock to run and made an actual ad buy with a radio station to run one ad for it. Small things like that.

Sometimes, they muster a march, and everyone gets uncomfortable about it. They show up and do their ugly thing, but mostly, they might march up main in some town shouting their ugly slogans and then they all crawl back under their rocks.

Sometimes, they do something really nasty. There have been some shootings recently. Real hate attacks, but those have been on Jewish people, not blacks, and the dirty truth is that blacks are as likely to be anti-Semitic as the skinheads are.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: Ohanka

You speak true. When you measure women against men, women who have never left the workforce for their family like men tend not to, then there is no pay gap. It's just that most women tend to want to have families, and that's a good thing.

Being a mother is not a paid job, but it is a very important one on many levels.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I agree that our country has and still suffers from the unfortunate blight of racism.
There are planty of individuals who really harbor extreme biases toward others based on what a person "looks like." Some of these have found their ways into positions of power.
Most Americans decry the privatization of prisons. Most Americans don't agree with, for example, the particularly damaging criminal reform act in which both Clinton and Biden were the main instruments.
www.factcheck.org...

I personally support a full on reform of our criminal justice system, including a look into how and why the laws are being enforced and to ensure they're being prosecuted proportionately.

I also support legalization of marijuana and decriminalization of drugs, which will affect people in all communities.

Violent crime needs to be dealt with harshly. Crime which victimizes others too.

I support a complete overhaul and look into how tax dollars are being spent and an oversight committe to ensure that lower income communities can recieve the funding they need to bolster schools, clean up neighborhoods, open family owned businesses. If politicians didn't line their own pockets and see to their own needs, this would all be possible and more. If everyone out there tearing down streets right now were out there rebuilding, imagine the results?

I support teaching history, culture, sociology, religion, etc. The more each person learns about the world the better. Hopefully if politicials were held to a higher standard regarding tax and financial distribution, the standard of teachers would be better too, and would be able to teach complex subjects subjectively and well.

What I don't support, however, is responding to racism with more racism.
To respond to racism with "critical race theory" is what grieves me the most.
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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Denying systemic racism exists

It doesn't exist... all claiming it does accomplishes is it puts your dementia in full display for everyone else to see.

Correction to add: ok, well, I guess it does in some fashion, see all affirmative action type laws as examples.


is like denying the gender pay gap exists

It doesn't... all claiming it does accomplishes is it puts your dementia in full display for everyone else to see.


or that homophobia exists.

It does. However, 'systemic' homophobia does not.

Do you not understand the difference between something systemic vs something that exists on an individual level?

Consider yourself burned beyond recognition.
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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:27 AM
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What do you mean by proportionately?

Obama ordered proportionate discipline to take place in the schools, and those districts that implemented it opened their doors to chaos.

The simply fact of the matter is that not every group commits a proportional amount of the offenses.

You can't simply say that because you have 100 bobs with 60 red ones and 40 blue ones that it absolutely has to mean that if you have 10 murders, 6 of them will be committed by red bobs and 4 of them will be committed by blue ones. There may be differences in how red and blue bobs live that mean that 9 of your murders are committed by red bobs and only 1 by a blue bob even if that is a disproportionate amount of violence in your red bob community.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:29 AM
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I mean take Hunter Biden as an example of a guy who didn't suffer according to his own dad's crime bill.




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