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Trump says Department of Education will investigate use of 1619 Project in schools

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posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 04:36 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

You lost the argument at "all his white supremacist supporters". You are one of those guys who think that not allowing the nation to become a communist $hithole means you are a white supremacist?




posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Some friendly advice...

Get off these 2 topics while you still have some dignity left.

It will pass soon enough but the sooner the better for you.

And never forget that help is always just a phone call away 🙂



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 04:57 PM
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Lilly white leftist are the real white supremacist, they think all non whites are too stupid to think for themselves and they believe they hold all the answers, only they know best with the indoctrination they regurgitate.

It's not like they are deep thinking individuals.

Tell me I am wrong.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 04:58 PM
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Your lilly whiteness is whats problematic.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

No. It's not. It's deeply flawed and has no place being admitted as anything approaching history.

The top scholar of the Revolution, the top scholar of the Civil War, and the top scholar on Reconstruction all panned it as deeply flawed. They all wonder how you can have a narrative on blacks in the US without mentioning Frederick Douglass, MLK, A. Philip Randolph. How do you ignore the Harlem Renaissance? How do you ignore the fact that many of the Atlantic seaboard colonies spawned strong abolitionist movements and many voted to get rid of slavery soon after the country was fully founded?

But of course, in order to present her narrative, Hannah-Jones had to ignore those things.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 05:26 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You lost the argument at "all his white supremacist supporters". You are one of those guys who think that not allowing the nation to become a communist $hithole means you are a white supremacist?


Trump has white supremacist supporters. If you're not one, there's no need to be offended.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 05:27 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You lost the argument at "all his white supremacist supporters". You are one of those guys who think that not allowing the nation to become a communist $hithole means you are a white supremacist?


Trump has white supremacist supporters. If you're not one, there's no need to be offended.


That's OK then. Biden has white supremacist supporters too.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

How do you ignore the Founding Fathers stipulating in the Constitution that some people are 3/5th of a person.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You lost the argument at "all his white supremacist supporters". You are one of those guys who think that not allowing the nation to become a communist $hithole means you are a white supremacist?


Trump has white supremacist supporters. If you're not one, there's no need to be offended.


That's OK then. Biden has white supremacist supporters too.


He probably does. Perhaps WS farmers or auto workers, or WS Goodyear workers. LOL He sure did a number on Anita Hill. And his semi racist crime bill was a big success among his supporters. But they certainly aren't as loud and open about it as WS Trump supporters.

I used the White Supremacist line to show the irony of his dismissal of the existence of white privilege's and systemic racism, not to single out posters in this thread.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 05:44 PM
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And it did continue well past the time that England and European countries outlawed slavery. As a matter of fact, it took a war to end slavery in the USA 100 years later.


You know I see this junk form a bunch of friends in europe as well, yet they get in a snit when I point out the US only had slavery for the first 100 years of existance... how long did it take for europe to wake up and get away from it?

ETA: there is always more than one way to look at a situation, shame such a simple bit of common sense has died a brutal death.
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Edit to the edit: this junk has zero buisness being in the school, if people want to include the bad things that happened i have no issue with that the 1619 farce is the exact opposite of what it used to be. Instead of only reporting the good, the 1619 farce only wants to say nothing but bad happened and that is just as bad when it comes to teaching.
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posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 05:57 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ketsuko

How do you ignore the Founding Fathers stipulating in the Constitution that some people are 3/5th of a person.


It was the trade-off that needed to be made to get the country together as a whole. Btw, that clause:


Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.


... does not specifically reference blacks or slaves. Instead it is held to be understood that we are referring to persons, all persons, not free. In those times, that could refer to indentured servants as well as slaves and Indians (Native Americans) who were not considered American citizens but were not slaves either being part of their tribes.

The other thing to understand is that counting the people who were not free as full citizens for the purposes of determining House representation would have conferred massive political advantage on the Southern slave-holding states. Just because they counted the slaves doesn't mean any of them would have been allowed to vote by their masters. Allowing the full count would have guaranteed the US remained a slave-owning country because the South would have been the politically dominant force.


Much has been said of the impropriety of representing men who have no will of their own.... They are men, though degraded to the condition of slavery. They are persons known to the municipal laws of the states which they inhabit, as well as to the laws of nature. But representation and taxation go together.... Would it be just to impose a singular burden, without conferring some adequate advantage?


— Alexander Hamilton

So it was both a question of political power and one of taxation. If the slaves were not going to be allowed representation because the status of slavery would prevent it, then it was also not fair to tax them. Taxation and representation go together. It was one of the singular issues of the Revolution, after all.

You can also see from this quote that Hamilton fully recognizes that slaves are men, and he attributes the laws of nature to them meaning we can guess he feels they deserve rights. But abolishing slavery at that time was not possible.

Again, it was felt by the Founders that the truths in the COTUS would lead the states to do the right thing eventually. Many of them did.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 05:58 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Biden has the coveted Richard Spencer endorsement. Last election, it meant everyone supporting Trump was a white supremacist. So I assume we can now guess that most of those supporting Biden are white nationalists this time around?



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: Lysergic
Lilly white leftist are the real white supremacist, they think all non whites are too stupid to think for themselves and they believe they hold all the answers, only they know best with the indoctrination they regurgitate.

It's not like they are deep thinking individuals.
Tell me I am wrong.



I think the word is patronising?



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 08:04 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: Sookiechacha

You lost the argument at "all his white supremacist supporters". You are one of those guys who think that not allowing the nation to become a communist $hithole means you are a white supremacist?


Trump has white supremacist supporters. If you're not one, there's no need to be offended.


Conflicts of interests 😎



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ketsuko

How do you ignore the Founding Fathers stipulating in the Constitution that some people are 3/5th of a person.


The "3/5ths" thing gave the "South" (at the time) a heavier influence in Congress.

Those political influences later became the Democrat Party and actually got some biased laws passed (at the time).

🚬🤫



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 08:15 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Biden has racist scallywag supporters and a bunch of communist scumballs.

if that aint you dont worry

💨
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posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 08:19 PM
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It's even possible that in certain forms Critical Race Training is illegal.

In some forms, they separate out white people for "specialized" training based solely on their whiteness. Title VII statute says you cannot legally do this with your employees.


Title VII states:

It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer . . . to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual’s race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.


So to have seminars in any employment venue where you ask the white employees to go to one place and the POC employees to go to another and each receive different "training" would be illegal it would seem as they are being solely segregated based on race alone.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

Ridiculous.

America didn't exist prior to 2016.

Before that, they were all either RINO's or Democrats. Except for the Founding Fathers and the Dukes of Hazzard, no one is sure what to call them, but they were something different.

LOL


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posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Trump going after this shows how racist he is but everyone already knew that. I wish they had this when I was in school.

Some US history that I learned later in life was the Eddie Aikau documentary on ESPN going into detail that as the US took over Hawaii they brought over segregation, white only beaches, clubs, bathrooms, surf contests etc. I never learned in school Hawaii once had segregation.

So the 1619 project is long over due. All the inventions by black people will also be included. They need to do the same with Native Americans. That bloodshed is really not that old.



posted on Sep, 6 2020 @ 08:51 PM
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a reply to: game over man

So we're now adding The History of Inventions as a subject to be taught in school?

Does that mean we are learning who invented every little thing, every little improvement to every little thing now ... you know, just to be fair?

Btw, have you proved how 2+2=5 in your great quest to decolonize math?




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