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Heroes Don't get captured

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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


He had done so many slimy things that when he ran for president in 2008 i was shocked anyone would vote for him. The more you looked into his background the more you see the coruption. He would involve himself in syria and Iraq even the palistinians and often it was to secure donations to his campaign. He actually got caught asking the Russain ambasador for money of course they claimed the letter was mailed by mistake. Yeah im not buying it he hoped they would just make a donation and he could deny he knew if someone found out. Undfortunatly for his reputation the Russian ambassadr sent him a letter advising he wouldnt donate.

Senator McCain posed for a photograph with a known rebel kidnapper Mohammad Nour during his unannounced visit to Syria. Oh and there was his constant interference in benghazi investigation.Senator McCain reached the height of hypocrisy and showed his true intentions regarding the Benghazi attacks when he held a press conference at the same time as a classified briefing was being held on the subject. When Mr. McCain was approached by a CNN reporter inquiring why he decided to skip the hearing to have a press conference, he first tried to state he had no comment and then lashed out at him by stating “Because I have the right as a senator to have no comment and who the hell are you to tell me I can or not?”

www.huffpost.com...

But i remember a time when his supporters thought he was going to win i happily voted Obama over this loser.




posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

So that proves you've been an ass who disrespects veterans since 2008. Good for you.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: walkinghomer

Its like showing card tricks to a dog isn't it? Trumps loyal subjects are just like the obama drones from 12 years ago, but on steroids. It's absolutely pathetic.


“ Due to this deferment he was accused of draft dodging. Joe Biden, a former U.S. vice president and senator who vied for the Democratic Party presidential nomination in 2020, as well as earlier in his career, was excused from military service in 1968 because of asthma as a teenager.”



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:06 AM
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Heroes don't sing. That pos sang his lungs out. Personally i hope his passing was as painful as possible and i don't care if that statement hurts your or anybody elses feelings. Traitors deserve a traitors death.

originally posted by: walkinghomer

originally posted by: projectvxn
John McCain is staring up at us right now.

A little hot where that treasonous scumbag now resides. Please do shed those crocodile tears for the sake of King Neocon of Warmonger Mountain.


He may or may not be. Not for me to judge. Why don't you answer the question

edit on 7-9-2020 by SgtSlotter because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:11 AM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
a reply to: projectvxn

He was still a better man than Trump, history will remember Trumps crimes against humanity.


I used to think so too and defended him when he ran for president on this forum, that was until I found out all his dirty deeds.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 10:22 AM
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It funny, when McCain ran for president, the left hated him and found plenty dirt on him now that it's Trump turn you love
McCain,

BTW I hate the cringe worthy things Trump says, But he has done a lot I like, No I am not going to list them, you know.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: walkinghomer
I was extremely bothered by President Trump comment about John McCain not being a hero. How could someone running for the highest office in the land say such a thing. How could people support such a person and forgive such a statement. To refresh your memory, the exact statement was:

“He’s not a war hero,” said Trump. “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.”

ATS is no doubt a far right leaning political website and the majority of posters here are devoted trump supporters. I won't call you "trumtards" or "trumpanzees" but its safe to say that short of the president doing something extremely extremely crazy, you would still support him.

My question to you is:


1. As an American, do you believe that you're not a hero if you're captured during combat?
2. Was President Trump wrong for saying that?
3. Should such a statement not be an automatic disqualifier for the highest office in the land?
4. Should mandatory military service be a requirement for President?



When you can let me know what John McCain did that was so heroic let me know. He’s been a right wing war hawk for most of his life. Outside of being captured what good has he done?



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: AlaskanDad

No.

John McCain was a political opportunist who was clearly part of the fake Russian collusion narrative, arming ISIS, and destabilizing the Middle East. He opened the door to the Caliphate and they came crashing through.

Trump has started no new wars and is being vilified for trying to bring our troops home after 2 decades of combat.

Nothing John McCain did while in Vietnam justifies his wanton use of young American blood for the neocon agenda.
This



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: walkinghomer

Well, it's actually true. As a veteran myself I don't think people who get captured are heroes. Although it's kind of a dumb criteria anyway. I mean you could be captured and become a hero or you could be a hero beforehand and get captured, but the being captured is kind of a dent on the old resume of said hero.

But what I liked most about what trump said about McCain is that it was very specifically meant for McCain. McCain used his pow status as a shield to hide from his horrid record as a Republican and trump shattered that shield. The worst part is that McCain was a coward of a POW. Yet he still used it as a shield.

McCain was a lowlife, no good, two bit politician. Not a hero.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite

But what I liked most about what trump said about McCain is that it was very specifically meant for McCain. McCain used his pow status as a shield to hide from his horrid record as a Republican and trump shattered that shield. The worst part is that McCain was a coward of a POW. Yet he still used it as a shield.

McCain was a lowlife, no good, two bit politician. Not a hero.


So I started my military career in 1980 and retired in 2008. I actually flew with prior POWs that were still active and everyone one of them saw McCain as a piece of crap, just one step up from Fonda.


He basically did one of the big no nos in accepting special treatment over the other POWs. This is huge and what he did he could of been court marshaled for, but when your dad is the acting Pacific Command Commander that would not happen. Then he used it for his political career riding his military career like Kerry did that was full of lies. He also became the biggest Rhino in the Republican party making everything about himself. Of course Trump hated him as he was the one vote to kill the Republican healthcare act which was better than Obamacare and so now everyone can complain about not having one...geez

McCain also had a temper and I saw that first hand as I had friends that flew him all the time out of Andrews AFB would talk of it as he treated the aircrews like crap.

So ya...I don't know why we all need to keep having this conversation about McCain...time to move on...



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: BruceZuckerberg

I agree, they are all the same.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: walkinghomer

First off, ATS is not far right leaning. You should consider that you are far left. Most on ATS would be considered classical liberals, by pre-2008 standards. The left has gone so far left that they are calling Obama far right fascist. That should tell you something right there. If that's not enough you aren't paying attention to the rioters flying socialist and communist flags, or how the left in general are now quoting and supporting marxist ideas, and using marxist tactics. You are also ignoring the warnings of people who came from socialist countries and saying they are seeing the left repeating process that lead their country to socialism. Whatever, facts and stuff you don't want to hear.

"1. As an American, do you believe that you're not a hero if you're captured during combat?"

Depends on the circumstance. There is a recent story about an idiot who got captured when he abandoned his post, because he was a deserter. He knew what he what he signed up for. In this case he is not a hero. If captured while on duty, and remaining loyal to your country, then you are a hero.

2. Was President Trump wrong for saying that?

In my opinion Yes. Mccain might be a neo-con or rhino, or both, but he should still be respected for carrying out his duty.

Here is a great read about his experience as a P.O.W. Whether this story is true or not, who knows, but its an interesting story none the less.
www.usnews.com...

3. Should such a statement not be an automatic disqualifier for the highest office in the land?

No, because its an opinion. Also, the left are the anti-military party who constantly attack and berate veterans. Democrats would constantly be disqualified. They only feign support for veterans to get votes, then go back to degrading veterans after they are elected. I am a veteran by the way.

4. Should mandatory military service be a requirement for President?

No. Not everyone is cut out to be in the military. It would also be unfair to those who have medical conditions keeping them from being in the military. What if the next President was a paraplegic? It could be a genius person like Steven Hawkings, who is a great political strategist and economist with the charisma and patriotism to rally Americans to achieve the best results for the U.S. Presidential candidates should do their best to understand how the military works, as defense of the country is an extremely important part of the job.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 01:26 PM
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a reply to: HalWesten

Hi

Excuse me for interrupting and being tardy...but

- I honestly thought Trump supporters think college is stupid and hate people who went to college.

They dismiss academia and expertise because it's "elitist liberal [libtard] brainwashing" -- Right? Is that incorrect? Don't they think that?

I'm confused.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: walkinghomer
1. I believe the being captured is not a heroic act. But being captured also doesn’t make you not a hero. You could do some heroic stuff and then be captured and you would still account as a hero. That being said, of course fighting and resisting to your last breath is a heroic act. Heroes are usually dead or took a great risk of dying.
2. It was wrong to say by Trump. He was in no war and it is not up to him to judge who was heroic and who wasn’t.
3. No. John McCain pulled Trumps strings for quite a while. It was just a stupid way to get back at him. You still have to consider the whole package and of course the alternatives.
4. If there was such a mandatory requirement, we would barely ever have democratic candidates for presidency. Also it would establish a strong military view point at the very top of the government, always.



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: AlaskanDad

No.

John McCain was a political opportunist who was clearly part of the fake Russian collusion narrative, arming ISIS, and destabilizing the Middle East. He opened the door to the Caliphate and they came crashing through.

Trump has started no new wars and is being vilified for trying to bring our troops home after 2 decades of combat.

Nothing John McCain did while in Vietnam justifies his wanton use of young American blood for the neocon agenda.


hey look at your country right now....trump is starting a civil war....

i know your gonna say its blm antifa...not trump....trump is a victime of the left....

here in Canada we ad the same problem with the canadian african...the difference is we have a real leader that lead the whole country even people that dont like him and instead of division he listen to the black community and tried to find common ground and fix the problem instead of fanning the flame....

seem like if you dont praise trump well he wont be your president



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 06:33 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

Exactly. People want to pretend that trump disrespected all POW's and in an obtuse world of unintelligent people, they can get away with it. McCain was a poor example of a POW and that comment was specifically about McCain's pow record. McCain was not a hero. Being a POW doesn't make one a hero. I respect our POW's experience as such but respect doesn't grant heroism.
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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Xtrozero

Exactly. People want to pretend that trump disrespected all POW's and in an obtuse world of unintelligent people, they can get away with it. McCain was a poor example of a POW and that comment was specifically about McCain's pow record. McCain was not a hero. Being a POW doesn't make one a hero. I respect our POW's experience as such but respect doesn't grant heroism.


There are mixed versions of what happened regarding McCain’s “tragedy at sea” but this one seems the most reasonable to me..

www.truthdig.com...



posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 06:49 PM
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originally posted by: VeeTNA
a reply to: HalWesten

Hi

Excuse me for interrupting and being tardy...but

- I honestly thought Trump supporters think college is stupid and hate people who went to college.

They dismiss academia and expertise because it's "elitist liberal [libtard] brainwashing" -- Right? Is that incorrect? Don't they think that?

I'm confused.



You are definitely confused. Most people around me are college educated, including myself, and we are Trump supporters. Most of the professionals I work with, engineers and doctors (both pHD and MD) are pro-Trump. A "liberal arts" college or university isn't the only type out there. Only a brainwashed liberal would think you need a liberal arts degree to be educated.
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posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 09:07 PM
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Losers and suckers?




posted on Sep, 7 2020 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: THeGreaTZoiD

Months of leftists terrorizing people and you want to tell me Trump is starting a civil war?


I don't have time for idiotic gaslighting.



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