Please watch the FULL George Floyd video and read the comments

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
a reply to: panoz77

Nope.

From your link

Medical examiners Dr. Michael Baden and Dr. Allecia Wilson, who were hired by the family, said sustained pressure impeded blood flow to the brain and Chauvin's weight on Floyd's back impeded his ability to breathe.

Like i said, just because he had fentanyl in his system, does not equate to an overdose as you stated in your OP.
Now you're changing it to "the drugs combined with his panic caused the heart attack"
Which is also wrong.

What about the officer's knee on his neck for over 8 minutes?

You said

The drugs caused his heart to stop

Wrong. The officers kneeling on him did.

His cause of death was not, no matter how much you twist it and would like it to be, an overdose.

The family's medical examiner came to the conclusion of what he was paid to conclude. The "INDEPENDENT" medical examiner concluded it was cardiopulmonary arrest with "no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation". Funny, the paid medical examiner came to a finding with no physical evidence to support his conclusion.

a reply to: panoz77


Like i said, he did not die of an overdose, capiche?

Don't care, Chauvin should of let off, after the guy was out and pissed himself, he needs to go down for that at least. 2nd degree murder is for sure, an overcharge.

originally posted by: vonclod
Don't care, Chauvin should of let off, after the guy was out and pissed himself, he needs to go down for that at least. 2nd degree murder is for sure, an overcharge.

Floyd was dead on his own, didn't matter if they were restraining him or not, all they could do is wait for the paramedics. They could have potentially started first aid and CPR, but it was a very short time from Floyd stopping moving and screaming until EMS arrived. He could potentially have been saved early if he admitted he swallowed a handful of Fentanyl, they could have hit him with Narcan, it might have helped.

a reply to: panoz77

Floyd was dead on his own

Wrong

He died due to that wanker's knee on his neck

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
a reply to: panoz77

Floyd was dead on his own

Wrong

He died due to that wanker's knee on his neck

Already proven false, the courts will confirm this when the officers involved are acquitted. It's very simple to understand. The knee had ZERO to do with Floyds death, ZERO.

a reply to: panoz77

Whats also very simple to understand is an overdose is quick, real quick.

Floyd did not die of an overdose its as plain as day, couldnt be any more clear

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
a reply to: panoz77

Whats also very simple to understand is an overdose is quick, real quick.

Floyd did not die of an overdose its as plain as day, couldnt be any more clear

I guess that depends on your idea of quick. Takes about 30 min for the effects to start. And symptoms will rapidly develop from there causing hypoxia and death. The trick is keep them upright and keep them moving if possible. If they stop breating immediately start cpr their lungs will process oxygen just fine. Problem is the muscles stopped working. brathing can slow to 5 or 6 breaths a minute leading to brain damage.

Had our police officers paid attention to his pleas instead of stand on his neck he would have probably survived however. They did exactly opposite of what they needed to do you do not lay them down you do not let them go to sleep.

I think we know quite obviously now that all of this has been part of the DNC's agenda to rally as many minority votes as possible. With that being said, there definitely is still some lingering racism in the country that needs to be eradicated, it's a shame it is being used as a political ploy though. Also, pray for all the lives that have been lost on both "sides" during all of this.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
a reply to: panoz77

Whats also very simple to understand is an overdose is quick, real quick.

Floyd did not die of an overdose its as plain as day, couldnt be any more clear

I guess that depends on your idea of quick. Takes about 30 min for the effects to start. And symptoms will rapidly develop from there causing hypoxia and death. The trick is keep them upright and keep them moving if possible. If they stop breating immediately start cpr their lungs will process oxygen just fine. Problem is the muscles stopped working. brathing can slow to 5 or 6 breaths a minute leading to brain damage.

Had our police officers paid attention to his pleas instead of stand on his neck he would have probably survived however. They did exactly opposite of what they needed to do you do not lay them down you do not let them go to sleep.

What is particularly egregious, is when Floyd was out, and pissed himself, Chauvin had a very clear duty to, at the very least, let off the neck. The people watching this were begging this goof.

I agree with you on the OD, if ingested via mouth, it would certainly take longer than if injected. I have no idea or opinion on him surviving, other than, he might of had at least a chance, had his medical distress been dealt with.

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
a reply to: panoz77

Whats also very simple to understand is an overdose is quick, real quick.

Floyd did not die of an overdose its as plain as day, couldnt be any more clear

I guess that depends on your idea of quick. Takes about 30 min for the effects to start. And symptoms will rapidly develop from there causing hypoxia and death. The trick is keep them upright and keep them moving if possible. If they stop breating immediately start cpr their lungs will process oxygen just fine. Problem is the muscles stopped working. brathing can slow to 5 or 6 breaths a minute leading to brain damage.

Had our police officers paid attention to his pleas instead of stand on his neck he would have probably survived however. They did exactly opposite of what they needed to do you do not lay them down you do not let them go to sleep.

What is particularly egregious, is when Floyd was out, and pissed himself, Chauvin had a very clear duty to, at the very least, let off the neck. The people watching this were begging this goof.

I agree with you on the OD, if ingested via mouth, it would certainly take longer than if injected. I have no idea or opinion on him surviving, other than, he might of had at least a chance, had his medical distress been dealt with.

True, but there wasn't really an indication that he was on Fentanyl, if anything he was in a panicked delirium and had to be restrained, by the time it became evident that he stopped breathing, it was already too late. BTW, Floyd died an hour later in the hospital, not at the scene.

a reply to: dragonridr

I guess that depends on your idea of quick

No it does not take 30 minutes. An overdose will start almost immediately if the drug is taken intravenously. Within 30 seconds. 30 minutes you say? A person will be dead by then. Blue.
I have seen people overdose numerous times, 3 of which led to death. I have saved people from dying numerous times from an OD.
The OP is harping on like Floyd OD'd, which is obvious he didnt. Just because he had a large amount of fentanyl in his system does not mean he OD'd. For some reason the OP wont listen to this. Floyd was a large man. Well used to fentanyl.
It could well take 30 minutes if he swallowed it. I dont know about fentanyl enough to comment on smoking or snorting it, re: overdose.

a reply to: SecretKnowledge

When ingested orally yes can take about 30 min for effects to start. if for example he had pills and swallowed then to avoid being caught then that would explain the autopsy report. However, that was not what killed him it was just one of the factors.

In the report, it says

caused by the police subdual and restraint in the setting of severe hypertensive atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and methamphetamine and fentanyl intoxication. The subdual and restraint had elements of positional and mechanical asphyxiation.”

So it says yes he had restricted arteries aka heart disease. And yes he had what could be a lethal dose of fentanyl. The problem is whats lethal for one may not be for another you can actually build up a tolerance. But it also says that the restraint and his position led to asphyxiation. Meaning the other 2 factors would not have killed him if he was not put into a position they could do so.

a reply to: panoz77

For an experiment since I have several fairly liberal friend on Facebook because I don’t need an echo chamber for my self esteem, I posted the video with a header of you will not see this on the news because it destroys the narrative. And explained that this would give you the police view of what happened and what was happening around them.

I had the results that I expected. Certain ones lied through their teeth that they had seen all of it on the news weeks ago and that no video would justify suffocation on the street. That he paid for past mistakes and being on drugs was no excuse... But the common denominator was that they were in no way, shape or form going to watch those videos or any part of them with an open mind.

That the same officers dealing with the other passengers went okay, that one of the officers did chest compressions until the EMT’s setup the gear. That the only reason the police were anywhere around Floyd in the first place was because he was passing a $20 printed off an inkjet printer...

What they told me was their minds had been made up for them and nothing was going to change it, not even seeing things how they actually unfolded and determining the truth for themselves.

a reply to: smurfy

SMURFY!!!!

I was hoping you would show up and troll agian. What happened to you in my last thread? Remember I showed you overwhelmingly evidence the man in Portland was executed? A week before the full video came out showing them setting up an ambush point. You admittedly claimed it was "self defense"

You threw in a couple trolling comments, I proceeded to show you FACTS and UNDENIABLE evidence. And POOF you disappeared.

We are all on to you and your trolling behavior. If I told you I support Trump and the sky is blue, you would make an argument about the color of the sky. Keep it up.

All your trolling behavior just proves the mindset and behavior of Antifa/BLM. If you personally don't believe it, if face of overwhelmingly evidence, you are brainwashed. And are just building up more votes for Trump. So, thank you for your service. Trump 2020!!

a reply to: panoz77

Don't waste your valuable time feeding that troll SMURFY. He will twist every word you say, as I already saw him do. Just beat him with logic and facts. He will run away real quick.

a reply to: dragonridr

I agree it would take 30 minutes if swallowed, but we dont know he did swallow anything. He would only have swallowed it if he seen the cops coming. No addict swallows it purposefully for a hit.
Having said that, if he did swallow fentanyl in the shop then it was way too late for an OD to occur.
The OP has claimed he died an hour later in the hospital. If that is true how long is that after he swallowed it in the shop? 2 hours? 2 and a half hours maybe?
Surely all this points to a negative on the death by overdose claim?

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
a reply to: dragonridr

I agree it would take 30 minutes if swallowed, but we dont know he did swallow anything. He would only have swallowed it if he seen the cops coming. No addict swallows it purposefully for a hit.
Having said that, if he did swallow fentanyl in the shop then it was way too late for an OD to occur.
The OP has claimed he died an hour later in the hospital. If that is true how long is that after he swallowed it in the shop? 2 hours? 2 and a half hours maybe?
Surely all this points to a negative on the death by overdose claim?

He likely swallowed it when the police were approaching the car, just watch the video again, he had plenty of time to see them approach, and likely saw when they pulled up and went into the store to question the clerk, he was outside in the car that whole time, and for whatever reason didn't flee the scene in the car with the two other occupants. He had all the time in the world to swallow his stash to get rid of evidence before the police ever even approached his car. But even if he was not aware the police were there for him, he had plenty of time to ingest the pills when he saw them approaching his car outside the store.

As for dying an hour later, that is a fact. They only were able to keep him "alive" through CPR artificially keeping air moving and chest compressions, when that stopped, he was officially dead and probably already brain dead.

You are mistaken that this is about Trump. When Obama was President BLM was rioting too... this is here to bring out socialism under whomevers presidency with the mask of some form of racial and social justice. Sickening...

a reply to: panoz77

We do know it was in his system, and the cops knee didn’t put it in him. How do you suggest it entered his system if not by his own doing?

a reply to: SecretKnowledge