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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Lazarus Short
Jesus said in Luke 16 that there were two places people go after death. One was Called Torments and the other is Abrahams bosomJesus told the thief next to him on the cross he would be with him in paradise that is another name for Abraham's bosom.
Luke 16:22-24And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.but after the ascension of Christ paradise was said to be where God was, which is heaven.
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.This paradise is called the third heaven or the abode of God. When Jesus went into heaven he led captivity captive, that is he took those in the compartment of Sheol called Abraham's bosom into heaven with him.
2Cor 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
Ps 68:18 Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, [for] the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell [among them].
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
So what we learn when we put it all together is this: there are two long homes a man goes when he dies, one has torments and the other is paradise. If you go to the Greek or Hebrew to change the English then you are just trying to ease your own mind but it doesn't change God's Truth.
English Scriptures with all of God's words in it in my Bible. 3) God preserved His words into English as he promised to do
2Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
. So having a preserved and inspired scriptures I can trust my Bible to be more true and accurate than any unverifiable Greek you may be trying to defend and or quote.
Ps 12:6-7 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
did you notice what you said. Most of the COPIES agree that still does not make them accurate to the ORIGINAL.
originally posted by: Lazarus Short
a reply to: ChesterJohn
The Bible is the best-preserved document we have from antiquity. Hundreds of copies of its component books, or even fragments of those books, can be compared to each other, and most agree - so that we can arrive at a very accurate version of the original. For complete perfection, Ivan Panin demonstrated many years ago that the original text can be arrived at by mathematics - it's all in the coding. Do you not know of these things?
CJ, you are missing out on a LOT if you dismiss the Greek and Hebrew in which the books of the Bible were originally written. Your KJV surely gives you a glimpse of it in the marginal notes, yes?
You are also missing out on reading the Bible in clear, modern English. Besides becoming adept at reading Shakespeare and the like, I see no use for the 1611 English, except for professional scholars.
Even Jesus said when the son of man cometh will he find faith in the earth.
Mr 9:24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
Given the current state of many questioning God's words and reinterpreting them to fit a meaning that eases their hearts, it is obvious many do not have faith or belief in God's words.
Luke 18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?