Stalin's Jewish army

a reply to: RussianTroll

Even Hitler had his Jewish soldiers www.amazon.com...

The Brits had to sell you a jet engine for Russia to figure it out , with the Mig 15 en.wikipedia.org...

A total of twenty-five Nenes were sold to the Soviet Union as a gesture of goodwill with reservation to not use for military purposes, The Soviets reneged on the deal after the Cold War broke out in 1947.

Mr RT Russia is no longer 500 million in size it is now only 110 million i believe and one would be a fool for not looking closely at the origins and backgrounds of the leaders from that time period

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Chabad Lubavitcher are 2 words even Mr Putin would understand well

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a reply to: stonerwilliam

One fact, the Russians are not 110 million, as you write, but 140 million. And with Russians living outside of Russia - 300 million.

Also, I never comment on Wikipedia. I am a researcher of historical documents, not the opinions of Vicky's moderators - snotty youths working for money.

According to Chabad. He is one of the towers of the Kremlin, which was represented in power by Prime Minister Medvedev. Now the power of this "tower" is greatly shaken. The main bank of the group was closed and the main asset - the Summa group of companies. The owners are under investigation and will face long sentences. But Chabad is still one of the "towers of the Kremlin", their power and influence are enormous.

I will add on Chabad. The Summa group of the Magomedov brothers owns seaports, including the largest port in the world and the largest in Europe - Rotterdam, railways, logistics companies and so on. Logistics are the blood vessels of business. legal and illegal (criminal). it was owned by the Russian Chabad. But the situation is changing)))

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: stonerwilliam

One fact, the Russians are not 110 million, as you write, but 140 million.

Also, I never comment on Wikipedia. I am a researcher of historical documents, not the opinions of Vicky's moderators - snotty youths working for money.

According to Chabad. He is one of the towers of the Kremlin, which was represented in power by Prime Minister Medvedev. Now the power of this "tower" is greatly shaken. The main bank of the group was closed and the main asset - the Summa group of companies. The owners are under investigation and will face long sentences. But Chabad is still one of the "towers of the Kremlin", their power and influence are enormous.

Birobidzhan Биробиджа́н, was a experiment not repeated in any other country so it goes to show the strength of some towers RT ,

I still remember a white Cossack Russian showing me the dance at new year as a small child nearly 50 years ago

a reply to: stonerwilliam

Haha. 2.5 Jews live in Birobidzhan, one of whom is the governor)))
But seriously, Russian Birobidzhan is the only and last region in the world in which Yiddish, the language of the Ashkenazim, is still alive. In Israel itself, there is only one theater that speaks Yiddish. And in Russia, in Birobidzhan, Yiddish is a regional language)))

its all been protocoled.

a reply to: stonerwilliam

My friend, you have brought up a wonderful topic. The fact is that the Jewish Autonomous Region with the capital Birobidzhan in the Far East is the place where the Cossacks lived. And in Birobidzhan a unique phenomenon was born - the Jewish Cossacks.
The humorous song "The Jewish Cossacks Rebelled" was performed by the Cossack ensemble "Sloboda". This song was enthusiastically received in Israel, the tour was a resounding success.



Since there is no English translation of the song, I give you the translation. This is humor and satire, success in Israel is colossal, Jews value a sense of humor)))

Forward friends, the time has come forward,
The eve of the exodus is celebrated by the people.
The Jewish Cossacks revolted,
There was a coup in Birobidzhan.

We met in a Cossack circle on the sly,
Observing the laws of all great troubles,
We covered the yarmulkes with hats,
and they fastened the Talmud to their saddles.

No one went to the post of chieftain,
After all, the chieftain will jump first into battle,
Then they elected Leva Blazerman,
He took money for this, my God.

And we chose Katz as Esaul,
For fortitude and a huge nose,
He did not allow us to blow our nose in the banner,
And answer a question with a question.

A battle has broken out, and what can we do
Enemies are all around, and suddenly they are stronger,
We deployed our ranks boldly,
And the fighting spurred their horses.

We rushed to the rear like a black whirlwind in a field,
Deciding that the Cossack does not like death,
How our sideboards flapped dashingly,
Weaving with a horse's mane at a gallop,

Our chieftain caught up with us on a mare,
I beg you to return to battle,
And the horses were dandruff and soapy,
And the Cossacks did not hear the order.

Then Katz came out, Shalom brothers-Cossacks,
Who will go into battle I will introduce to the orders,
And the one who bought off the attack,
He will deliver the shells to us.

We did not give up on these persuasions,
There is a machine gun, and who is our hero,
Our Rabinovich hid in the infirmary,
Saying that he was wounded right in the hemorrhoids.

An avalanche came upon us enemies
Rows of bayonets, fire a lead squall,
We defended our rabbi
He boldly sold us cartridges.

But the enemy is strong and we were defeated,
Having barely managed to sell the train,
We all signed up for anti-Semites
This is how our Jewish question was resolved.

I write and laugh myself)))

Read a book years ago about a Jew in the Soviet Army during the war. It was called "The Standard Bearer" (English and Russian Edition) by by Efraim Seyela | Dec 1, 1982.
Liked the writing so much I got the book. Thought it was a tale repeated millions of times over, in that place, at that time.

originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: surfer_soul
a reply to: RussianTroll

What about the Balfour declaration? Have you not heard of that?

Of course I know the Balfour Declaration and its entire history. If the Jews relied on only one Declaration, of which there were many, then there would still be no Israel.

The declaration was adopted in 1926. What prevented the creation of Israel immediately?

Great Britain held a mandate over Palestine. Legally, it could create the state of Israel, but did not do it, limited itself to the Declaration.
In 1947, Britain abandoned the mandate, thereby making all declarations null and void. Britain handed over powers to the UN, and the UN has already made a legal decision.

Your funny you are actually trying to say Stalin was not an antisemite, iHe actually starts with Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact where he agrees to purge Jews from the country. Under the Hitler-Stalin pact that was signed by Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov and German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Germans annexed western Poland, prompting thousands of Jews to flee to the eastern region, now controlled by the Soviet Union. (Those who didn’t escape in time perished in the Nazi death camps.)


Poles who fled to the Soviet-ruled part of the country did not escape misfortune either. Stalin’s troops arrested thousands of people, including policemen, soldiers, bureaucrats, judges, and even teachers and priests – anyone accused of being “class enemies.”

Many were executed on the spot, while others -- the "lucky ones" -- were deported to labor camps in Russia.

Why don't you explain to everyone about "Night of the Murdered Poets" Or do you not know about this?

a reply to: dragonridr

"Your funny you are actually trying to say Stalin was not an antisemite, iHe actually starts with Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact where he agrees to purge Jews from the country. Under the Hitler-Stalin pact that was signed by Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov and German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, the Germans annexed western Poland, prompting thousands of Jews to flee to the eastern region, now controlled by the Soviet Union. (Those who didn’t escape in time perished in the Nazi death camps.)


Poles who fled to the Soviet-ruled part of the country did not escape misfortune either. Stalin’s troops arrested thousands of people, including policemen, soldiers, bureaucrats, judges, and even teachers and priests – anyone accused of being “class enemies.”

Many were executed on the spot"





I believe you paint a picture in a black and white sort of way. The whole region was one mass killing field and within the Poland of pre 1939 roughly three million Poles of Catholic decent, three million Poles of Jewish decent and somewhere well over three million Poles of German decent maybe millions more were eliminated from the boundaries through emigration, forced labour, industrial killings, general fighting and massacres and post war massacres and forced resettlement.

In addition it is not really reported that many of those Soviet troops were in fact Jewish who took up the new Socialist idea with vigour. Indeed my landlord told me how his father watched his father get arrested by a group of invading Jews in 1939. Anybody in the Polish village especially the owners of land were forced into a field and told to leave and run. As they did the Jewish soldiers shot the lot of them

a reply to: RussianTroll

Well he certainly was more qualified than you to speak the truth about Stalin


wiki

Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn[a] (11 December 1918 – 3 August 2008)[6][7] was a Russian novelist, philosopher, historian, short story writer and political prisoner. Solzhenitsyn was an outspoken critic of the Soviet Union and Communism and helped to raise global awareness of the Soviet Gulag forced-labor camp system.

After serving in the Soviet Army during World War II, he was sentenced to spend eight years in a labour camp and then internal exile for criticizing Josef Stalin in a private letter

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

Your describing some kind of alternate history. The Russians specifically purged any officers or Jewish soldiers trying to appease the Nazis. They had just signed an agreement saying they would see above. So this story really doesn't make sense many of the jews in Poland were trying to flee to Hungary trying to avoid the Nazis. They were never in the Russian army in any large quantity partly because Stalin felt they were spies.

Stalin’s attitude seems to have been based in part on what he took to be Hitler’s successful use of anti-Semitic demagogy. It was certainly also due to his increasing Russian nationalism, to which he felt, most, or many, Jews were not truly committed. And the idea of a special Jewish predilection for capitalism is of course to be found in Marx. He specifically calls out the jews in his book. So no I wasn't exaggerating the Russians treated the jews only slightly better. And by that I mean at least they didn't try to cook them in ovens they were ok with starving or sending to Siberia.

As i think about it the Russians trying to purge their military of jews could have led to a rumor like you mention. They made several excuses on why they were arresting people in their own army.

a reply to: dragonridr

Oh for sure the Ruskies were badns too............... Well let's call it the Soiets. You make some excellent points too above. But it is a hidden history that there were some atrocities during that period and the Jewish gangs roamed around east Poland as they entered massacred many Catholic Poles, ironically the my Landlords atrocity was in east Poland but they were Russian Orthodox Poles victims and that was Poland but in todays Belarus. That was Poland pre '39! The Jews marched in and killed anybody who owned or exhibited wealth. Bad people on all sides we need to remember this.

In addition another guy I know up the road from me, he a Magyar who got of of Hungary in '56 as the failed rev meant Soviets wanted him dead. so escaped Budapest to Britain, chain smoker says he's been dying since I knew him 20 yrs ago but still hobbling by for over the hedge chats.

So he told me when he was a nipper in '44 or '45 (I can't remember)he watched from a bushes on a hill the Soviets round up thousands of Jews who survived the deportations and the military took them to a field and massacred all of them! This is the worst bit, the Soviet military then posted a piece in the local media that Nazi's has killed the Jewish during the retreat when they did it themselves!

Totally insane crazy times my friend, total killing field on all sides! You never know the truth either as the above is just the same as Katyn massacre, who knows how many other Katyn cover up lies took place?

Those Soviet troops who did the massacre he said they were a Ukranian division, he said the rest of the Soviet army was ok but you never felt safe when Ukranians were around