CDC Allows Doctors-Coroners to Assume the Deceased had Covid-19...No Testing Required.

a reply to: Phage
But is it the first pandemic of modern times?

Or is it the first to be globally inspected at the same time?

a reply to: Nivhk

HIV was a pandemic.

originally posted by: TXRabbit
Serious question - why would the federal gov offer so much money for each Covid-related hospitalization and/or death? Why is it incentivized so?

To strengthen the pandemic outcome.
It feeds itself with corruption.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Nivhk

HIV was a pandemic.

It Still is a Pandemic in parts of the world .

The media just does not talk about it.

Cancer could become a pandemic over night it's not contagious , but Imagine the media just started focusing on Cancer good lord people would be losing there damn minds seeing cancer everywhere .

There are all sorts of Viruses Phage circulating the Globe this very moment killing , infecting , mutating etc etc .

Its just not being talked about.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

It Still is a Pandemic in parts of the world .

You just stated an oxymoron, maybe the word you want is epidemic? But HIV is still considered a pandemic by some. The WHO applies quite specific criteria to the definition.

The media just does not talk about it.

Not a lot, because there are very effective treatments available. But it did change a lot of habits. Didn't it?

Cancer could become a pandemic over night it's not contagious , but Imagine the media just started focusing on Cancer good lord people would be losing there damn minds seeing cancer everywhere .

There are a lot of different types of cancer (I was cured of Hodgkin's Lymphoma). But like you said, they aren't contagious.

Its just not being talked about.

Ok. How many pandemics of novel viruses are there currently?
www.dictionary.com...

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

Looks like there are a lot of Epidemics, Pandemics, and Outbreaks ongoing!

Source: www.who.int...

a reply to: carewemust

Do you know the differences between them?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

Do you know the differences between them?

I cant , but they do all have a similarity .

none of them are being focused on by the media , but they kill, many of them much much more efficiently than Covid.

You just stated an oxymoron, maybe the word you want is epidemic? But HIV is still considered a pandemic by some. The WHO applies quite specific criteria to the definition.

You got me there , but I think you get my point.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

You don't know the difference between epidemics, pandemics, and outbreaks? There is some variation but a good summary can be found here.
www.inverse.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

Do you know the differences between them?

No. But here are the definitions, if you want to learn: apic.org...

originally posted by: carewemust
Monday, August 31, 2020

Last week, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention revealed that just 6% of the 169,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19, were caused solely by Covid-19. The other 94% of death certificates listed Covid-19 as just one of the potential contributors to the death of the individual.

The CDC rules/guidelines for labeling a deceased person as a "Covid-19 Death" are so broad, they are almost non-existent. A medical person can literally take anyone who dies, add "Covid-19" to the one of the "contributing to death" lines on the death certificate, and viola!, you have a Covid-19 death...No testing necessary.

Here is an excerpt from the final rule/guidance issued on 4/20/2020 from the CDC to Hospitals, Doctors, Coroners, etc..

In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely, it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.”

In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.

See Page 2, Fifth Paragraph down on the left side, at: www.cdc.gov...

So if a person dies of a Heart Attack, the doctor can "presume" this person also had Covid-19. In which case, he/she would be added to the running total of Covid-19 deaths in the State/United States/Globally.

There are two primary motivations this year for death certifiers to generate as many "Covid-19 deaths" as they possibly can.

1.) Money from the massive ($2.2 Trillion) Covid-19 CARES Pandemic Rescue package passed by Congress last March.

2.) The belief that more deaths decreases the odds for President Trump's re-election this November.

The above two items/subjects already have ATS threads describing them in more detail.

Also, common sense says that the number of corrupt or crooked death certifiers is relatively small. Since 7,400 people die in this country every day, 365 days @ year, and we're now running at about 1,000 so-called "Covid-19" deaths per day, the vast majority of daily deaths are being labeled correctly.

But with 94% of the people listed as Covid-19 deaths having at least 1 other significant medical problem, it makes you wonder how many of the 169,000 "Covid-19 deaths" were destined to die anyway, or how much of a role Covid-19 played in their death. That is, if they did indeed have Covid-19.

Also, the CDC has begun combining Pneumonia & Influenza & Covid-19 deaths, in order to keep Covid-19 above the "Epidemic" threshold.

Lots of questions. Hopefully a big "911-style" blue-ribbon panel will be put together next year, to get all the answers.

-CareWeMust

December 30, 2020

As with deaths, the CDC also allows "guesses" and "presumptions" to be certified Covid-19 sickness "cases". No positive test required.

Code only a confirmed diagnosis of the 2019 novel
coronavirus disease (COVID-19) as documented by
the provider or documentation of a positive
COVID- 19 test result. For a confirmed diagnosis,
assign code U07.1, COVID-19. This is an exception
to the hospital inpatient guideline Section II, H. In
this context,“confirmation” does not require
documentation of a positive test result for COVID19;
the provider’s documentation that the
individual has COVID-19 is sufficient.

From section 1a. at: www.cdc.gov...

When the CDC said "guesses" were OK for labeling a death as Covid-19, they also produced the above document. Same month...April 2020.

Right after the huge $2.2 Trillion dollar CARES Act bill was passed on March 30th...showering billions of $$$$ on medical providers. Big money for each Covid-19 case, and big money for each Covid-19 death.

In July 2020, When Congress pressed CDC Director Redfield on whether medical providers were abusing the Cares Act to increase revenues, he responded, "There's some of that...Yes."

And people are wondering why all other sicknesses are WAY down? Actually, they're only down on paper...not in reality.

The "codes" on the forms submitted are what activates Uncle Sam's Golden Goose.

In reality, you were REALLY diagnosed with the FLU..and treated approrpriately for the FLU.

Just the batch-listing sent to the CDC shows "code U07.1" (aka: Covid-19). The more of those, the bigger the financial haul for the medical provider...and the more Mainstream Media screams warnings of massive surges, escalations, blah blah blah.

a reply to: carewemust
That doesn't really explain the numbers in other countries but, sure, go with that.

a reply to: carewemust

In reality, you were REALLY diagnosed with the FLU..and treated approrpriately for the FLU.

Then what's up with this?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: carewemust

In reality, you were REALLY diagnosed with the FLU..and treated approrpriately for the FLU.

Then what's up with this?

LOL

Blurry graph

No link to verify

WTF kind of phony BS is this ? 🤣🤡

originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: carewemust
That doesn't really explain the numbers in other countries but, sure, go with that.

Well what then CAN explain the numbers in other countries (or WHO can explain?) 👁️❓👁️

The proceeding paragraph to OP's cherry-picking:

When determining whether COVID–19 played a role in the cause of death, follow the CDC clinical criteria for evaluating a person under investigation for COVID–19 and, where possible, conduct appropriate laboratory testing using guidance provided by CDC or local health authorities.More information on CDC recommendations for reporting, testing, and specimen collection, including postmortem testing, is available from: www.cdc.gov... nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html and www.cdc.gov... It is important to remember that death certificate reporting may not meet mandatory reporting requirements for reportable diseases; contact the local health department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.

www.cdc.gov...

Emphasis mine.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Well what then CAN explain the numbers in other countries (or WHO can explain?) 👁️❓👁️

Maybe people dying?

I mean, we all know people die all the time, but if there is something augmenting the normal death rate by 1%, maybe even 2%, it might be something empathetic humans might want to be empathetic about, it isn't mandatory, of course.

The asinine assumption of the OP is that only an individual who has no other medical conditions whatsoever should be counted as a COVID death.

The CDC is more than clear in the sourced document: every effort should be made to specify the actual cause of death via medical testing. If all of that is done and the matter is still inconclusive, if the person had COVID, and died in a manner consistent with COVID deaths, then that information should be entered as "presumed."

Oddly enough, public health officials at every level do their best to provide the most accurate information possible.

I'm sure everyone knows that the CDC is not the entity that completes birth certificates, right? That's the State or County government.

Follow the money.
If you die from covid the government pays the bills.

If you die from something that looks like covid and the doctors can not bill you they just bill the government telling them you had covid.

Doctors and hospitals are going to go for the money everytime.

www.npr.org...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: 2020blows

Why didnt they do any of this with Sars or MERS or swine flu or H1N1.

SARS didn't make it to the US. MERS didn't either (except for 2 cases).

Swine flu (which is H1N1) is an influeza virus. We have influenza vaccines.

I want to chime in here. I live in the US and I had SARS. I'm sure there were more than two cases of MERS as well. Please, stop peddling bs, it's unbecoming of you, fren.