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A tactical and legal analysis of the Kenosha shootings

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posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: standingwave

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: standingwave

originally posted by: Annee
He drove, with intentions, to an out-of-state “fight”.

He was not protecting his own home/property.

He was the aggressor — in a “fight” that really had nothing to do with him.




It's amazing and disheartening to me to see you wrote this.

I see it as a well intentioned group of people got together to try and protect their comminity. The terrorists didn't like them being there so they attacked.

They would have liked to have beat them half dead like what happened to the one guy that crashed his truck trying to get away.

I can't believe there are actually people trying to spin this. Your trying make right into wrong and wrong into right.


I’m in SW Arizona.

We had vigilante border groups come in from out of state.

Locals ran them out. They didn’t belong there.

That’s my stance.


And how did the locals run them out? Did they run them down and physically assault them?


They teamed with law enforcement.

Leave or get arrested.




posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: Nyiah

Has nothing to do with emotions hes going to jail. Did you notice the prosecutor charged him with first-degree reckless homicide?? there was a reason he or she chose that. All they have to prove is that he knew someone could be hurt because he brought a loaded weopon. Hope other vigilantes realize you DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL SOMEONE PROTECTING SOMEONE ELSES PROPERTY!!



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

Can we back up for a second.

What MOM in their right mind drives their TEEN over state lines with a weapon of that nature and
thinks something good will come out of it.

Lock that mom up too!

Edit to add: it's still under investigation if she actually drove him or if he drove himself (without a license)
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posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
Hope other vigilantes realize you DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO KILL SOMEONE PROTECTING SOMEONE ELSES PROPERTY!!

Yeah, we do. It only takes one of us to sit on the jury and say, "Not guilty. Ever!!"



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

In every case he never pulled the trigger till he had no other choice, that is pretty much NOT RECKLESS HOMICIDE, no matter how many caps you use, he tried to disengage and escape got cornered and shot the first agressor, took off running got run down by the mob and when he fell he reacted to attacks on him shooting the other two.

So where was the reckless behavior?

They have him on video saying they were heading out to look out for injured people to give first aid because the paramedics werent coming to that area.. So its not like he swaggered out like john wayne heading to the showdown with the big bad.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

So did he come over just for the riot... or was he working in the town and got asked to help?

I have read both counts, as usual the rush by the media to form a narrative has muddied what might be the truth.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Try reading the actual statute instead of just making things up.


940.02  First-degree reckless homicide. (1)  Whoever recklessly causes the death of another human being under circumstances which show utter disregard for human life is guilty of a Class B felony.


Gonna be real hard to prove he killed rosenbaum with “utter disregard for human life” when he ran away from him across an entire parking lot and didn’t shoot until rosenbaum was nearly on top of him.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: Irishhaf
Maybe both are true?


www.dailyherald.com...



Pierce, in the statement, said Rittenhouse worked that day as a lifeguard at a pool in Kenosha then responded to a downtown Kenosha auto dealer who was recruiting people to guard his business. Pierce said Rittenhouse was being chased and attacked when he fired the rounds that struck the three men.
Wood said on Twitter the gun used in the shootings belonged to Rittenhouse's friend who lives in Wisconsin.
"The gun never left the State of Wisconsin," Wood said.
It is unclear whether Rittenhouse drove himself home. He has no Illinois drivers license, the Illinois Secretary of State's office confirmed.

Two weapons were given to police when Rittenhouse surrendered Wednesday morning at the Antioch police station, but Interim Chief Geoff Guttschow didn't say who owned them or who turned them in because of the open investigation.


Here is a different article, with an Illinois location for the lifeguard job, so who knows which one is true!???

www.washingtonpost.com...


More recently, Rittenhouse worked as a part-time lifeguard at a YMCA in Lindenhurst, Ill., the Tribune reported. Man-Yan Lee, a representative for the organization’s metro Chicago branch, said in a statement to The Post that Rittenhouse was furloughed in March.

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posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 02:56 PM
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a reply to: JAGStorm

What mom did that? The only person I’ve seen making that claim is Shaun King.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: Irishhaf

He put himself in a situation where he felt he needed to use leathal force. Doesnt help when during the interview he said he brought the rifle to protect himself. This shows he was well aware of the fact that he may have to kill someone. This boy was just feeing all bad ass because he had a gun. This is what happens when you allow kids to play with guns without teaching them the responsibilities involved.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Shamrock6

Can we back up for a second.

What MOM in their right mind drives their TEEN over state lines with a weapon of that nature and
thinks something good will come out of it.

Lock that mom up too!



Where are you getting your info from?

No gun was transported across state lines, stop spreading lies.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:06 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Irishhaf

He put himself in a situation where he felt he needed to use leathal force. Doesnt help when during the interview he said he brought the rifle to protect himself. This shows he was well aware of the fact that he may have to kill someone. This boy was just feeing all bad ass because he had a gun. This is what happens when you allow kids to play with guns without teaching them the responsibilities involved.



SMH

I open carry all the time in Arizona and the last thing I think about is killing people but it will make others think twice about starting trouble.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:23 PM
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a reply to: Muninn




No gun was transported across state lines, stop spreading lies.


And you know this how?



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: Irishhaf

He put himself in a situation where he felt he needed to use leathal force. Doesnt help when during the interview he said he brought the rifle to protect himself. This shows he was well aware of the fact that he may have to kill someone. This boy was just feeing all bad ass because he had a gun. This is what happens when you allow kids to play with guns without teaching them the responsibilities involved.


He was feeling so bad ass he ran away until there was no where else to run before defending himself...yeah very bad ass.

SMH



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:29 PM
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So where was the reckless behavior?


Reckless behavior started when he broke the law by using that gun.
That is without a doubt a fact. He is underage and it is illegal for him to use that gun in Wisconsin.

Reckless behavior continued when he was out past curfew, again breaking the law. Remember curfew is for everyone, not just who we deem on our side or theirs.

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edit on 29-8-2020 by JAGStorm because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: JAGStorm
a reply to: Muninn




No gun was transported across state lines, stop spreading lies.


And you know this how?



The gun never left the state of Wisconsin, it belonged to a friend who is a Wisconsin resident.

This is from the attorney and not from some blog.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:39 PM
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a reply to: Muninn




it belonged to a friend who is a Wisconsin resident.


IF that is true, i would assume " the friend " will be prosecuted for supplying a firearm to a minor ?

Looks like Rittenhouse has dropped his mate in the crap.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Muninn




it belonged to a friend who is a Wisconsin resident.


IF that is true, i would assume " the friend " will be prosecuted for supplying a firearm to a minor ?

Looks like Rittenhouse has dropped his mate in the crap.




Assume all you want, we shall see when he has his day in court.



posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:41 PM
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a reply to: Muninn




Assume all you want


Thank you. I will.




posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 03:47 PM
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The gun never left the state of Wisconsin, it belonged to a friend who is a Wisconsin resident.

This is from the attorney and not from some blog.


We'll see, just because his attorney says so doesn't mean it is true.


Here is what the Kenosha Police say:



Pierce argues that Rittenhouse "has suddenly found himself at the center of a national firestorm and charged with murder after defending himself from a relentless, vicious and potentially deadly mob attack in Kenosha, Wisconsin."

That’s a far different narrative than what local authorities have publicly stated. The Kenosha police chief called the shootings a senseless act of violence on protesters.



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