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Jacob Blake was justifiably shot by police

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posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 07:16 PM
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a reply to: Spider879

Again, details matter.

What, are you allergic to facts?
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posted on Aug, 29 2020 @ 07:26 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero



So in the end the police had no clue the guy was the shooter and didn't even know a shooting had happen.
This was in reply to a narrative the cops let the guy go because of white privilege, or something stupid along those lines.

The truth 100%



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: face23785
I'm tired of watching neighborhoods and businesses get destroyed and countless lives being affected by violent riots and looting over the justified shooting a scumbag like Blake. Yeah, he's a scumbag. That has nothing to do with the color of his skin, it has to do with the content of his character. If you think of black people when you hear the word "scumbag," there's something wrong with YOU, not me. Just like when you hear the word "thug" you think of a black person. That means YOU'RE a racist, not me. So don't even come at me with that fake bull#. We need to stop justifying these bull# riots and destruction of innocent peoples' lives by pretending every black man who is shot by police is a victim. Black men are sometimes unjustifiably shot. This was not one of those times.

I was initially fooled by this incident like a lot of people were. It looked like an unjustified shooting to me. I fell for the media narrative that he was just a bystander at a domestic violence call and cops had drawn their weapons on him for no good reason and shot an unarmed black man unjustifiably as he peacefully tried to leave the scene.

ALL of that is now either definitively known to be or very likely to be FALSE.

We don't know for sure that Blake was a bystander of the incident about which police were called. Officials won't clarify that, so I won't draw any conclusions about that. That's neither here nor there. Whether he was involved or not, we now know that while police were responding to this call, they were alerted that Blake was present and he had outstanding felony and misdemeanor arrest warrants against him. THAT was why they engaged him. They didn't come after him because he was a black man. He wasn't "walking while black." They engaged him to place him under arrest for outstanding warrants for trespassing in his ex-girlfriend's residence, domestic abuse against said ex-girlfriend and rape of said ex-girlfriend.

They didn't pull their guns because he was a black man either. They pulled their guns because he resisted arrest and fought with the cops. They even attempted to tase him and it was ineffective.

He also doesn't appear to have been unarmed.

When I first saw this picture, courtesy of another member here yesterday, I figured it was photoshopped by some right-wing blogger or something. I went and watched the original video, and saw it for myself. It's real. As you can see in the picture, he was carrying what convincingly appears to be a rather nasty-looking knife, similar to this:

DOJ confirmed a knife was found on the floorboard of his vehicle after the shooting, likely dropped there once he was shot. That rather explains why in one video you can hear the cops screaming "Drop the knife!" So this violent felon pulled a knife on police officers. Further justification for having their guns out. If they were just racists looking for an excuse to shoot a black man, he would've been shot as soon as he pulled the knife. He wasn't. That narrative is busted. He wasn't shot until he attempted to get in the car. That changes two things:

1) The cop may have thought he was reaching for a weapon. Now, I've heard people complain "Oh, he was really going to reach for a weapon with cops pointing a gun at him?" Well, yeah, apparently. He already did that. He pulled a knife on cops armed with guns. You're also assuming we're dealing with a rational individual. We're not. A rational person doesn't resist arrest, fight with, and pull a knife on 3 cops armed with guns. So stop trying to assign rational thought to this individual's actions. As soon as he reached into the vehicle he became a threat. It's a justified shooting. Police are justified in shooting if they reasonably think their or anyone else's lives may be in danger. Cops don't need to wait until they see a gun or you turn around and slash them before they pull the trigger. Real life doesn't work like video games or Hollywood movies. Wanna see what happens when cops wait?

If you wait until you see a gun, you're already shot. Cops aren't required to wait until they're shot to shoot a suspect. And if you don't think the cops were in danger, the kids were:

2) There were kids in the car. I've seen this used as some kind of excuse why he shouldn't have been shot. The opposite is true. If he gets in that car and flees the scene, those kids are in danger. The original narrative is false. He was not peacefully fleeing the scene. At this point, he has violent felonies in his past and has committed more violent felonies at the scene. He's armed and dangerous. Letting him flee in a vehicle with kids is not an option. The kids and other civilians would be in danger if the police allow a violent, armed and dangerous felon to flee the scene. There isn't a person here who would, under these circumstances, allow this man to drive off in a car with your kids, would you? Knowing our leftist members, I can imagine one or two of them being brazen enough to lie and say they would, but most of you will just ignore that question, because the answer means the shooting is justified.

So what do we really have here? We have a violent felon who resisted arrest and was tased and then shot while armed and dangerous and attempting to flee the scene with kids in the car. The officers knew he was violent before they engaged him, because they were alerted that he had outstanding warrants for trespassing, domestic abuse and rape (the charge is 3rd degree sexual assault, which in Wisconsin is nonconsensual sexual intercourse—what we civilians call rape.) They further found out he was violent because he resisted arrest and fought with them when they attempted to take him into custody on his outstanding felony and misdemeanor arrest warrants. They're supposed to let an armed and dangerous felony suspect escape with kids? If this was a white man, there's not a one of you that would have a problem with the police shooting him to prevent that.

The cop who shot him will have no problem convincing a jury that he reasonably feared for his own safety and the safety of those kids. He has zero chance of being convicted if the local prosecutor is enough of a coward to charge him simply to placate the rioters--which never works by the way. And you'll have even more severe riots when he's acquitted.

Sorry, I'm not on the side of the violent, woman-beating rapist who was shot justifiably by police instead of letting this armed, violent wacko get into a car with kids and speed off. I'm just not. And this lowlife isn't worth all the mayhem HE has caused.

**I will make my usual prediction: when the left-wingers respond, it will be painfully obvious they haven't even read the OP**

ETA: Also, just learned, they attempted to tase him not once, but twice.

All that are replying to this or at least the majority don't get the Big picture here.
If you think the Police were wrong and this was not self defense you should never Call for Police assistance.
You don't need a Cop you need a shrink.
it is sad that this is what America has come to.
Police have a job to do and it is very Dangerous.
I do agree that some Cops are bad but this instance was justified.
Just my opinion



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 09:38 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
If you all are satisfied with the killing, that’s fine.

What you want is what you want. No one can change that mindset.


the real deal is there are consequence for violent offenders, rapist etxc. If we don't stop them what does that mean to you and your family? Oh that't right, your family and neighbors weren't his victims were they? So, I am going to guess you don't care then so you defend the violent criminal with a rape warrant that hadn't been served yet.
Now I find that more of a shame than the violence created by the criminal because you're condoning it.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 09:45 AM
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Battlefield conditions say NO WAY you stop shooting until it is CLEAR the combatant is subdued.
Drawing sharp knives and then claiming to be getting your gun while resisting arrest sure strikes me as a combat scenario. I believe you have failed logic.


originally posted by: RKWWWW
Cops should only shoot once and then try to determine the effectiveness of the shot. And perhaps ask the perp how he is feeling. And then, if needed shoot once again and go through the same process. Or the cops could just shoot off the trigger finger of the perp.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: CthruU
a reply to: face23785

So i guess shooting him in say the legs to demobilise him so he couldn't drive the car was out of the question to equally provide said protection for kids and public.


Absolutely zero knowledge of the law. Take a self defense course. Shooting someone in the leg is prohibited by many police departments. Again, movies aren't real life. And people whose sole knowledge about these things comes from movies should really refrain from offering uninformed opinions.

The rest of your comments about the 7 shots and the location of the shots have been addressed.



This pig


Nice one, bigot.


Shooting in leg is illegal but pumping multiple rounds into the back is ok.

No wonder the law is a joke and it is just that.

Call me what you like I'll stand firm and never kneel to the fact that cop is a coward and a pig.
Just like a fair majority of his counterparts.

Keep pounding that chest caveman.


The funny part is you're actually damaging the cause. Every time you guys prop up a lowlife like Jacob Blake or Michael Brown who was justifiably shot as some kind of "martyr," you turn reasonable people off.

So go ahead, keep standing in the way of progress on this issue. Good job.

I'm gonna bow out of the thread for now. 2 pages, multiple leftists have responded, none could address the main points of the post, none have answered the main question about whether they'd let this maniac drive off with their kids.

Pathetic. You guys are so mad a black man wasn't unjustly shot by police, it's disturbing.




posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
Execelant post Mr Face. You make the case clearly. But I wonder why none of the officers couldn’t shoot out the two front tires or put one through the block instead of seven in his back



reply to: face23785



The odds of the car reaching for a gun to shoot the cops or to take off on it's own initiative were small enough to ignore. That's why they went after the suspect instead. The car had no warrants against it either if that helps decide for you.


I want my star back you don't deserve and up vote. Sorry peeps. I thought you meant his violence and arrests warrants were too much to ignore. AM i misreading you?


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posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 09:52 AM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
America has a huge crime problem.

Our low life thugs think they are entitled to hurt anyone and take anything.

We may need to Amend our laws to have public hangings and firing squads.

We cannot let crime win.
These ppl can't be saved.

Focus on the children and let the good ppl clean up this mess.

If we don't crack down the whole nation will be GARBAGE. Every street will be dangerous and anarchy will follow. Murder murder murder rape rape rape. WAKE TFU

It isn't a "gun crime problem" at all. It is a thug mentality that lets people think they own the streets and can do what they want like go to the mall that says no guns allowed and murder people because they can much more easily than at a football game where they check everyone for weapons of any kind.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 10:33 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: face23785

Damn.

I carry a .40 on the assumption that it has the greatest stopping power that I can reasonably carry. Not to mention its really easy to find rounds at a decent price.

Mine is only 6 in the mag...imagine an entire magazine of .40cal not being enough to keep you from being injured.

The perp found a lot of adrenaline to use is what always happens. That stuff is super stuff to command on demand. But when you are under duress as the victim or apparently if you are trying to commit more crime, you have a surge of adrenaline.
I like a .45 because you can hit someone in a limb by accident aiming center mass and it still has a big affect.
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posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 12:34 PM
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Mate I'm sorry but no , I cant agree with this one.

Floyds case is one thing , but this is something else.

Even if the guy had a knife, Cops Have tasers, Pepper spray, Batons , and there were multiple cops .

There were multiple ways that could have been handled with out shooting him , let alone shooting him 7 times. Cops need to stop being so scared and quick on the trigger.




posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Mate I'm sorry but no , I cant agree with this one.

Floyds case is one thing , but this is something else.

Even if the guy had a knife, Cops Have tasers, Pepper spray, Batons , and there were multiple cops .

There were multiple ways that could have been handled with out shooting him , let alone shooting him 7 times. Cops need to stop being so scared and quick on the trigger.


They did taser him, it didn't work..all the guy had to do was..give up.

What % do think, out of a 100, does this guy get in his car and drive away? in this situation..I'm going with less than 1 %



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:29 PM
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originally posted by: HalWesten
The ignorance, lack of intelligence and common sense from some in this thread is stunning. Bad guy disobeys police commands, resists, gets tasered, still disobeys & resists, claims to be going for a weapon, cops shoot him several times and the cops are the bad guys.

Wow.

I am willing to bet that those of you blaming the cops for this have never been an officer and you've probably never been in the military. You typically don't support police to begin with and this is just another platform for you to spew your hate towards them.

The "he was walking away" argument would get laughed out of court because his voiced INTENT was to get a weapon to use against the cops. There was no good reason for him to resist or walk away from them after he had been tasered. Everything he did after that was his choice, his fault.

Good Lord people, get a grip! A criminal threatened officers, he deserved what he got.



There were 3 police officers maybe more they should have had absolutely no issue physically restraining him and placing him into hand cuffs . George Floyd was twice Blakes size and they managed to get him into cuffs , now yes the guy had a knife but so what ?

There were three of them just rush him and over power him to the ground , yes maybe one of you get's cut but so be it your a police officer it's what you get paid for.

Pulling your gun is a last resort in the escalation procedure , when I was in the Military the ROE or Rules of Engagement were simple you do not fire unless fired upon or they are visibly pointing a weapon at you or you see one in there hand about to be pointed at you .

We would do shoot houses for days at a time , we would literally set up camp at the range and start in the mornings running shoot drills all day and into the night . Every time you went through the shoot house it would be set up differently , armed targets and unarmed targets randomly placed through out . Running these drills for hours until we got them perfect.

These Cops who are quick to pull there weapon and just shoot are Scared there is no way around it they are Scared and they should not be police officers .

But Do not think for a second I believe he shot Blake becasue he is African American , no he shot him because he was scared.




posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:32 PM
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originally posted by: asabuvsobelow
Mate I'm sorry but no , I cant agree with this one.

Floyds case is one thing , but this is something else.

Even if the guy had a knife, Cops Have tasers, Pepper spray, Batons , and there were multiple cops .

There were multiple ways that could have been handled with out shooting him , let alone shooting him 7 times. Cops need to stop being so scared and quick on the trigger.


They did taser him, it didn't work..all the guy had to do was..give up.

What % do think, out of a 100, does this guy get in his car and drive away? in this situation..I'm going with less than 1 %


No all they had to do was physically restrain him, they out numbered him there wearing body armor just over power him to the ground there Cops they are trained to do atleast that much.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:33 PM
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These Cops who are quick to pull there weapon and just shoot are Scared there is no way around it they are Scared and they should not be police officers .

But Do not think for a second I believe he shot Blake becasue he is African American , no he shot him because he was scared.

I fully agree with that, but still, all the guy had to do was give up, he forced the issue..would you agree with that?



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:42 PM
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So let me see if i get this right? You believe that its ok for a police officer to die because i quote thats what they are paid for.
No police officer is paid to tackle someone carrying a knife thats just stupid. Do you realize how easy it is to kill someone with a knife? These officers all ready let him get way to close should have shot him the minute he was within 6 ft. As for tryimg to restrain him i watched a video they did he won.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:42 PM
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So let me see if i get this right? You believe that its ok for a police officer to die because i quote thats what they are paid for.
No police officer is paid to tackle someone carrying a knife thats just stupid. Do you realize how easy it is to kill someone with a knife? These officers all ready let him get way to close should have shot him the minute he was within 6 ft. As for tryimg to restrain him i watched a video they did he won.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:42 PM
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So let me see if i get this right? You believe that its ok for a police officer to die because i quote thats what they are paid for.
No police officer is paid to tackle someone carrying a knife thats just stupid. Do you realize how easy it is to kill someone with a knife? These officers all ready let him get way to close should have shot him the minute he was within 6 ft. As for tryimg to restrain him i watched a video they did he won.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:45 PM
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I'm no fan of the police in general, they are poorly trained at best..the ball was in Jacobs court..he gambled and lost..just dumb.



posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 02:47 PM
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So what if the police officer involved in Jacob Blake being shot seven times...wasn't just trying to restrain Blake by holding the left side of his shirt --- but was merely (as Jacob Blake's father claimed yesterday) a way to hold him down, so he could carefully pump seven shots into his back torso?


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I'm talking bout a back shooter here...

An incident like that...doesn't leave the police department involved --- in any good standing --- towards the local or national populace...imho.
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posted on Aug, 30 2020 @ 03:40 PM
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Thank you for your sound logic!

originally posted by: Willtell
I split with my liberal friends over this issue.


My advice has allways been that the problem revolves around young black men fighting cops on the street. The BLM dogma is so what, they have a right to fight a cop.

And they have a right to stare down a rabid dog on the street. If young black men were fighting rabid dogs and dying wouldn't you advice them to stop such folly?

YES you would

So if these cops are so dangerous why take this self-defeating macho man approach and refuse to have a national education about the danger of fighting cops on the street.

The upper class blacks DO EDUCATE THEIR CHILDREN ABOUT THIS. Though they wont admit it.

The lower middle class young black men aren't being guided properly by the supposed wise men in their community.


STOP FIGHTING COPS ON THE STREET!!!!!!!





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