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CDC quietly changes testing guidelines to exclude people with no symptoms

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posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Neither coughing or sneezing are required.

Aerosols and droplets generated during speech have been implicated in the person-to-person transmission of viruses,and there is current interest in understanding the mechanisms responsible for the spread of Covid-19 by these means.

www.nejm.org...


We found that when the person said “stay healthy,” numerous droplets ranging from 20 to 500 μm were generated. These droplets produced flashes as they passed through the light sheet (Figure 1).


If there are viral particles in the mucus (viral load), they are along for the ride.

At this moment I could be tested, for free. No telling when the results might be available, but since I have no symptoms and have not been "exposed" there really is no reason to do so. Had I been in a crowd recently, the situation would be different.

edit on 8/26/2020 by Phage because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: putnam6

I posted this about 5 days ago.



One of the biggest reasons for the lockdowns (and masks) was asymptomatic carriers. Now asymptomatic carriers is looking like BS, you don't spread the virus till you feel sick. That was a good one though, very scary and everyone you see could be a carrier. Whoever thought that one up should be proud.


We need to get to the bottom of who has been lying to the world and why.

They need to face justice for their crimes.



It's a novel virus.

It involves science, which involves learning new things over time, adaption and change, and involves implementing new methods and practices when new things are learned.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: putnam6


Why would they be doing this?


One good guess:

CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change coronavirus testing guidance, official says


A sudden change in federal guidelines on coronavirus testing came this week as a result of pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump administration, a federal health official close to the process tells CNN, and a key White House coronavirus task force member was not part of the meeting when the new guidelines were discussed.
"It's coming from the top down," the official said of the new directive from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

The CDC should also be pressured to tell Doctors Hospitals and corners not to "presume" a person has covid-19 at the time of death.

That CDC guideline needs some serious adjustment.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 04:53 PM
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The sad thing is that the Democrats have been telling us along to listen to the experts whenever Trump opened his mouth, but now that the so-called experts are not saying what they want to hear, suddenly Pelosi and Cuomo are the experts and we should ignore everyone else.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

Then American Covid 19 scientists and medical people must be either slow learners, or corrupt.


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posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 04:56 PM
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a reply to: carewemust




Then American scientists and medical people must be either pretty dumb, or pretty corrupt.

You are generalizing from "American scientists and medical people" to the CDC?

It seems there are plenty of "American scientists and medical people" who think this is a bad idea.


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posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: putnam6

I posted this about 5 days ago.



One of the biggest reasons for the lockdowns (and masks) was asymptomatic carriers. Now asymptomatic carriers is looking like BS, you don't spread the virus till you feel sick. That was a good one though, very scary and everyone you see could be a carrier. Whoever thought that one up should be proud.


We need to get to the bottom of who has been lying to the world and why.

They need to face justice for their crimes.



It's a novel virus.

It involves science, which involves learning new things over time, adaption and change, and involves implementing new methods and practices when new things are learned.


So science says assume it will last on surfaces for nine days and that you can spread it if you are not sick. That's not science.

This was a plan. Too much evidence coming to light. I think we will see even more evidence before it is all over. But of course it is too late now.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:01 PM
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originally posted by: Fallingdown

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: putnam6

Because now they have the results of hundreds of thousands of tests which have shown very few asymptomatic people have tested positive?


So it all boils down to " Don't test the sick people "

It's amazing that doing things normaly is such a big deal .


No, it would be the opposite case. Only test them if they have symptoms. Only test the sick to see if it is COVID-19 making them sick.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:03 PM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Which doesn't provide information about the status of the pandemic in a locality but it does result in fewer "cases."

Awesome.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: chr0naut

Neither coughing or sneezing are required.

Aerosols and droplets generated during speech have been implicated in the person-to-person transmission of viruses,and there is current interest in understanding the mechanisms responsible for the spread of Covid-19 by these means.

www.nejm.org...


We found that when the person said “stay healthy,” numerous droplets ranging from 20 to 500 μm were generated. These droplets produced flashes as they passed through the light sheet (Figure 1).


If there are viral particles in the mucus (viral load), they are along for the ride.

At this moment I could be tested, for free. No telling when the results might be available, but since I have no symptoms and have not been "exposed" there really is no reason to do so. Had I been in a crowd recently, the situation would be different.


Triage mandates that you deal with the worst cases with the highest priority.

I personally think that absolutely everyone should be tested, and frequently. But that may not be practical.

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posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: LookingAtMars



So science says assume it will last on surfaces for nine days and that you can spread it if you are not sick. That's not science.


It was detected on surfaces upwards of a week later (cruise ship).

It was detected in hard surfaces upwards of three days.

Also, from an infectious disease expert at Emory:

Dr. Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease specialist and associate dean of Emory University School of Medicine, said on CNN Newsroom on Wednesday that the CDC has not provided evidence to explain the changes.
"I mean, the evidence that I'm aware of as of today is that close to 40% of the cases of the infections are asymptomatic and asymptomatic people transmit the infection," Del Rio said.


That's exactly how science works. Learning new things, adapting methodology to new information and discarding others, and using precautions from what is previously known.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: Liquesence

I don't believe anything anyone says about this virus anymore.

I think it is better that way.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:14 PM
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What I been saying hasn't changed.

That's because Im not lying all the dam time like the system does to everyone.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: Liquesence

I don't believe anything anyone says about this virus anymore.

I think it is better that way.






Correct.
I'm glad you figured it out.
Wish more would...



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:18 PM
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I personally think that absolutely everyone should be tested, and frequently. But that may not be practical.

It isn't.

But recommending testing only for the symptomatic and omitting those who have had significant exposure is just stupid. Two obvious reasons:
1) The boss doesn't like more testing because you get more "cases."
2) There is something so seriously wrong with the availability of testing and timeliness of results that it makes it moot for practical purposes.

Both show a lack of leadership on a national level.

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posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:21 PM
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a reply to: Phage

We should halt all testing immediately, call off all lockdown and stop wasting our last pennies.

#$@%÷×

All this BS isnt achieving anything but destroying everyone's lives.

Just wipe the virus all over me and get this # over with.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: putnam6


Why would they be doing this?


One good guess:

CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change coronavirus testing guidance, official says


A sudden change in federal guidelines on coronavirus testing came this week as a result of pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump administration, a federal health official close to the process tells CNN, and a key White House coronavirus task force member was not part of the meeting when the new guidelines were discussed.
"It's coming from the top down," the official said of the new directive from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.


CNN seriously....

Less testing and just testing those with symptoms are going to raise the rate of those tested to be positive with COVID. That optic is terrible and will be pounced on by the media. This is why it makes no sense for Trump to order that. When the numbers are low nobody pays attention but if they are at higher rates as they are likely to be now everybody will freak. Why would Trump want everybody to freak out
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posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: putnam6

Because now they have the results of hundreds of thousands of tests which have shown very few asymptomatic people have tested positive?

Nope. The in the article, the CDC admits that approximately 40% of cases are asymptomatic even though the infected individual can still spread the virus.


Yes, but are asymptomatic people who don't normally cough and sneeze, actually likely to spread the virus in real-world situations?



Likely is the operative word. No, they are not likely. They are able, like with many common ailments that can be transmitted while the host is asymptomatic, but that's why there are standards for basic hygiene.

The mask narrative, testing everyone narrative, and lockdowns beyond short ones in highly impacted areas narrative, will all start to unravel over time. None of it has been supported by years of public health policy in how to deal with respiratory outbreaks.

My story has never changed since this thing started and time just confirms more and more of what public health science already told anybody paying attention.



posted on Aug, 26 2020 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: putnam6


Why would they be doing this?


One good guess:

CDC was pressured 'from the top down' to change coronavirus testing guidance, official says


A sudden change in federal guidelines on coronavirus testing came this week as a result of pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump administration, a federal health official close to the process tells CNN, and a key White House coronavirus task force member was not part of the meeting when the new guidelines were discussed.
"It's coming from the top down," the official said of the new directive from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


Surprise, Surprise, Surprise.


CNN seriously....


Are you going to speak to the information itself, or simply bash the source?

Genetic Fallacy

 


Nice edit on your part.

To add:

NYT: The C.D.C. was pressured to change guidance on testing asymptomatic people who have been exposed to the virus.


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was instructed by higher-ups in the Trump administration to modify its coronavirus testing guidelines this week to exclude people who do not have symptoms of Covid-19 — even if they have been recently exposed to the virus, according to two federal health officials.

One official said the directive came from the top down. Another said the guidelines were not written by the C.D.C. but were imposed, Sheryl Gay Stolberg reports for The Times.




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