2 shot dead, 1 injured in Kenosha

originally posted by: Freeborn
It's interesting reading what all the bar room lawyers and those with an agenda to push have to say about this.

If Bidden starts forcibly confiscating guns, it's highly likely that you will see white conservatives on the streets doing similar. If Clinton had gotten into the white house and had reintroduced conscription, we'd also see something similar from conservatives.

What we're seeing here isn't the beginning of a protest movement, this is decades down the line after the peaceful protests and the lobbying and the attempts at a political solution have failed.

Citizens have been calling for an end to police brutality for decades and the only real change is that you don't get the rubber hose during interrogations any more. Out on the street things are barely any better than they were in the 1970s.

The solution to this isn't to solve the rioters, it's to solve the issues that they are rioting about.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

If Bidden starts forcibly confiscating guns,....

Has he said he intends to?

Even I can see that UK style gun control laws will not work in the US....that horse bolted a long, long time ago.
Guns are engrained in the US psyche.
And there are so many in circulation, prohibition will not achieve anything.

But that does not mean that the current status quo should continue because its apparent to anyone on the outside looking that what you have at present is broken.

I would never be so presumptuous or arrogant to assume I have any answers....that's for you guys to work out, but first you have to admit that what you have at present simply isn't working.....and I don't hold much hope for that happening any time soon.

.... it's highly likely that you will see white conservatives on the streets doing similar.

Isn't that what we saw in Kenosha?.....and see how that panned out!

If Clinton had gotten into the white house and had reintroduced conscription.....

Did she say she intended to?
If she did any linked reference etc would be greatly appreciated.

What we're seeing here isn't the beginning of a protest movement, this is decades down the line after the peaceful protests and the lobbying and the attempts at a political solution have failed.

There's been no serious attempt at any political solution as far as I can tell.
American politics has been consumed with the left/right bollocks and partisan nature of US politics.
Throw in the pandering to lobbyists, the influence of major corporations and the military complex and the infestation of snowflake driven political correctness and its no wonder that nothing has really been done about addressing core issues.

Citizens have been calling for an end to police brutality for decades and the only real change is that you don't get the rubber hose during interrogations any more. Out on the street things are barely any better than they were in the 1970s.

Indeed.
Most of the time they are just a little more subtle and discreet about how they do things but every now and then they truly # up.

The solution to this isn't to solve the rioters, it's to solve the issues that they are rioting about.

Amen to that Brother.
But the actions of BLM/ANTIFA are hardly helping things.
In fact, they are actively driving a wedge between people who should be united in their stand against corrupt and amoral politicians, their finacers and those who seek to subjugate the American people.

The UK and US are very differnt in many ways - more ways than many on here realise.
But there are also some stark similarities including efforts to divide people and divert attention away from those that seek to maintain their control over us.

It's a messed up situation in the States. I can see the guy had the best of intentions but trying to police a volatile riot with a weapon and no training is obviously going to lead to events like this that just prolong the violence and lawlessness. Can't claim to have any answers as dialogue just doesn't seem to work and the legitimate BLM movement has been hijacked by criminals who use it as an excuse to steal stuff.

It looks like things will be even worse this weekend as a tiny minority of anti-BLM people are planning to dress as BLM protestors and infiltrate their crowds in Chicago and Kenosha and inject BLM protestors with hyperdermic syringes filled with lethal cocktails of chemicals to cause mass deaths. Hopefully it's just keyboard warriors and people aren't actually planning this but have forwarded the evidence to local PD - not sure if someone from within the US or those Cities needs to submit evidence for it to be acted upon...

a reply to: Soloprotocol

It is BS. A journalist who was there said that Kyle was running away and then a shot was heard. He didn't know if a protestor fired at the air or at Kyle, that's when Kyle turned around and knew he had to make his stand. A protester had a gun and was aiming it at Kyle and Kyle shot the man in the arm. Another BLM/Antifa/Socialist/Communist thug hit Kyle in the head with a skateboard, which could have killed him, and another kicked him in the head... Kyle was defending himself.

a reply to: machineintelligence

Kid wants to play cop and has his mother drive him to Kenosha . He's armed and looking for a confrontation or at the least trying to look tough and feel tough. A bozo sees him and tries to disarm him and gets shot in the nads and elsewhere. I guess he died. Then the kid runs away and somebody chases him and the kid trips. Bozo # 2 tries to disarm him and kicks him and gets shot and killed. These were adults trying to chase and disarm, adults who were also looking for trouble or to get their kicks watching chaos and destruction. Still a third man got shot who was also apparently armed. The the kid walks by the police who apparently thought he was a protester so let him go past unchallenged. I see this kid going up for manslaughter, but he apparently was defending himself. No sympathy for the losers he #. None. They got what they wanted, violence.

a reply to: Dutchowl

Lie your arse some more, why don't you?...

First of all, Kyle was running away and towards the police, a journalist who was there and later helped get one of the injured to a hospital stated that while Kyle was running a way, someone even threw a molotov at Kyle as he was running away, somewhere from the crowd behind Kyle a shot is heard. That's when Kyle turned and made his stand. If someone shoots at you and you are armed you have a better chance at surviving if you turn and shoot back. The man that got shot in the arm had a handgun and was aiming it at Kyle but Kyle shot the man in the arm. Then another ahole hits Kyle in the head with a skateboard while running at Kyle. Another kicks Kyle in the head. Kyle shot back defending himself...

Your ahole friends attempted to murder this kid instead of just letting him run to the police as he was doing before your friends decided to attempt to kill him...

Someone on twitter posted stills of how Kyle was being assaulted.



All of these could have killed Kyle. He could have been burned alive by the molotov thrown at him by an Antifa/BLM/Socialist/Communist/Anarchist criminal.

a reply to: AaarghZombies

If Black Lives REALLY Matter to Biden and Harris, they'd start confiscating guns, where guns kill the most people. The South and West sides of Chicago should be a top priority.

113 shot this week according to: heyjackass.com...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

At least try to be accurate there was no Molotov thrown at him. It was a plastic bag and doesn't even make it to him because whatever was in it wasn't very heavy.

Truth doesn't matter if he was attacked he violated curfew being there and violated the law being armed. Just those two facts alone will send him to prison for manslaughter. I'll say this its a shame he threw away his life at 17 but perhaps in prison, he can make something of himself get a degree maybe who knows

originally posted by: bastion
It's a messed up situation in the States. I can see the guy had the best of intentions but trying to police a volatile riot with a weapon and no training is obviously going to lead to events like this that just prolong the violence and lawlessness. Can't claim to have any answers as dialogue just doesn't seem to work and the legitimate BLM movement has been hijacked by criminals who use it as an excuse to steal stuff.

It looks like things will be even worse this weekend as a tiny minority of anti-BLM people are planning to dress as BLM protestors and infiltrate their crowds in Chicago and Kenosha and inject BLM protestors with hyperdermic syringes filled with lethal cocktails of chemicals to cause mass deaths. Hopefully it's just keyboard warriors and people aren't actually planning this but have forwarded the evidence to local PD - not sure if someone from within the US or those Cities needs to submit evidence for it to be acted upon...

There is no "legitimate BLM movement..."

BLM is a Marxist group, a "trained Marxist group" as one of the founders admitted on an interview. These groups are not trained "to fight for just causes..." They are trained to make BS claims of racism, or sexism, etc, and to use those claims to get followers whom are then brainwashed into believing capitalists, and Republics like the U.S. are the cause of all evils. They are trained to stir hatred in their followers to then use that hatred to do what we have seen happen in several democrat ran cities around the U.S. for the past 90 or so days.

originally posted by: dragonridr

At least try to be accurate there was no Molotov thrown at him. It was a plastic bag and doesn't even make it to him because whatever was in it wasn't very heavy.

You might be right, but whatever it was the attacker must have thought it could have done some damage throwing it at a kid/man with a firearm. After all, it has been known that Antifa/BLM/Socialists/Communists/Anarchists have been throwing water bottles filled with cement, or even drink cups filled with cement at police officers and at protesters.

BTW, in the still it does look like a molotov.

originally posted by: dragonridr
Truth doesn't matter if he was attacked he violated curfew being there and violated the law being armed. Just those two facts alone will send him to prison for manslaughter. I'll say this its a shame he threw away his life at 17 but perhaps in prison, he can make something of himself get a degree maybe who knows

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Could the suspect carry the rifle legally?

Under Wisconsin statutes that say anyone under 18 who "goes armed" with any deadly weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, was not old enough to legally carry the assault-style rifle he had.

But John Monroe, a lawyer who specializes in gun rights cases, believes an exception for rifles and shotguns, intended to allow people age 16 and 17 to hunt, could apply.

Tom Grieve, a Milwaukee defense lawyer who also specializes in gun cases, agreed the exception might apply beyond hunting, but said that part of the law is poorly drafted. He said he would argue to apply a rule of law that interprets ambiguous criminal statutes in favor of the defendant.

Rittenhouse could be in violation of having a gun within a gun-free zone, if there was one covering, for instance, a school nearby. Also, Illinois law requires anyone who owns any kind of firearm in that state to have a Firearm Owners Identification card, but that is only available to someone 21 or older, or someone with a sponsor who is 21 and eligible for a card.

Rittenhouse did not own the gun, his lawyer said Friday.

"Kyle did not carry a gun across state line," L. Lin Wood said in a tweet Friday morning. "The gun belonged to his friend, a Wisconsin resident. The gun never left the state of Wisconsin."

What to know about Wisconsin's open-carry laws, self defense and more in Kenosha protest shootings

I also have to guess you believe the quarantine curfew doesn't apply to Antifa/BLM/Socialist/Communists/Anarchists armed and attempting to chase down a kid to kill him?...

BTW, i see you left out the fact that one of the Antifa/BLM, or whatever group he belong to, was armed with a handgun and was aiming it at Kyle, which is why Kyle shot him. Not to mention the criminal using a skateboard to hit Kyle in the head, and the other one jump kicking Kyle in the head as well. If that was a bag with a bottle it's most probable one of the bottles filled with cement which these criminals have been using since day 1 of the protests attempting to hide their true intentions hiding the dried cement inside bottles, and drinking cups.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
If it were not for Kyle's intervention, it's likely that more innocent people and the property of innocent people would have been hurt/damaged for additional nights in Kenosha. He should receive an award for bringing PEACE to Kenosha.

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

At least try to be accurate there was no Molotov thrown at him. It was a plastic bag and doesn't even make it to him because whatever was in it wasn't very heavy.

Truth doesn't matter if he was attacked he violated curfew being there and violated the law being armed. Just those two facts alone will send him to prison for manslaughter. I'll say this its a shame he threw away his life at 17 but perhaps in prison, he can make something of himself get a degree maybe who knows

We do not know what was in the bag but we know it could be thrown a fair distance and had enough weight to keep moving. You will notice there was no charge for violating curfew because the police were not enforcing it. If they tried to charge him with it then a lawyer could completely dismantle the case. I read there is also an obscure militia code in Wisconson that can be invoked that will clear him of the misdemeanor charge of carrying at 17. Their gun law is also peculiar about what type of weapon he can not carry which may be another loophole. There is also a type of permit for those under age in Wisconsin to have a rifle. He lives close so it is within the realm of possibility.

The misdemeanor charge of the rifle does not exclude his right to self-defense either. Let's say a convicted felon uses a handgun to defend himself. That felon can be charged for having the handgun but using it in an act of self-defense does not make the act of self-defense illegal.

a reply to: dragonridr

BTW, the man shot in the arm is "Gaige Grosskreutz" a convicted felon whom is not supposed to have a firearm and is a member of the People’s Revolution Movement, yet he was armed, and is not from Wisconsin. According to a friend of Gaige he said he "regretted not being able to kill Kyle..." In the still it looks like Gaige was attempting to aim the handgun at Kyle's head.

So peaceful protesters...



Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, is a sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor...

Anthony Huber, 26, the man who hit Kyle in the head with a skateboard, has a criminal history of charges of battery & repeat domestic abuse.

Journalist Andy Ngô has posted the fact the three men shot by Kyle were all criminals. One even admitted he wanted to kill Kyle...

3 Men shot are criminals.

twitter.com...

BTW, remember when I said that there will be people among the BLM/Antifa/Socialists/Communists/Anarchist crowd that will attempt to start gun fights to get the police, or anyone from the right, to shoot at protesters and then claim "unarmed protestors are being killed by the police/Trump/the right? This is what the far left does in every "movement." They did it in Venezuela as an example. When Kyle is retreating backwards, after he shot the men, someone else in the group of protesters shot several times, and i think I saw in the video a flash of possibly another firearm being shot. But Kyle did not shoot back again. However, he kept his head and walked backwards to see if he was being shot at.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
If it were not for Kyle's intervention, it's likely that more innocent people and the property of innocent people would have been hurt/damaged for additional nights in Kenosha. He should receive an award for bringing PEACE to Kenosha.

Kyle and other armed men were guarding a car lot which had been damaged by the rioters the previous 2 days, or so claims someone on twitter.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
If it were not for Kyle's intervention, it's likely that more innocent people and the property of innocent people would have been hurt/damaged for additional nights in Kenosha. He should receive an award for bringing PEACE to Kenosha.

Kyle and other armed men were guarding a car lot which had been damaged by the rioters the previous 2 days, or so claims someone on twitter.

Kyle demonstrated to these terrorist-rioters that reality is more serious than video-game fights and warfare.

originally posted by: carewemust

Kyle demonstrated to these terrorist-rioters that reality is more serious than video-game fights and warfare.

Anyone with any training in firearms can see Kyle has some training with a rifle, and even thou he heard shots from the crowd he didn't shoot at anyone else, he did walk backwards, pointing his weapon down, at the end to make sure no one else would attack him or shoot him which proves he only shot those criminals that attacked him in self-defense.

There's a video of Rittenhouse and his mates suckerpunching a girl and having a four guys vs one girl fight on Reddit - not sure if it was prior to the shooting or from an earlier date but either way it puts a massive hole in the self defence argument. He's wearin the same hat and pants but tshirt/vest looks a different colour.

The guys filming it stop filming and sounds like they're getting out the car to split up the fight as it's three guys and a girl punching one girl.

Link here video

EDIT: He's not the guy in the hat, he's the guy with the black hoodie and red/white/blue shorts.

For those that can't see video - two girls are having an argument, Kyle and his mates are friends with one of the girls. He squares up to the other girl and his female friend pulls him back. His female friend then swings the first punch against the girl and Kyle and his mates jump in punching the girl several from behind instead of just splitting up the fight.

The commentary is comedy genius. One says he's 'Captain Save A Ho', they discuss phoning the police but realise because they're black police would focus their attention on them and not the actual crimes that have been comitted. They decide to split up the fight as it's they're 'ganging up on a bitch'. Who says chivallry is dead?



a reply to: ElectricUniverse

The reporter who was on the scence and has submitted evidence to the police has said Kyle wasn't handling the weapon properly in the official criminal complaint, he may be wrong but it is in the official complaint - link here: Criminal Complaint

Detective Cepress interviews McGinnis and indicates the following: Before the shooting, McGinnis was interviewing the defendant. The defendant told McGinnis that he was a trained medic. McGinnis stated that he (McGinnis) has handled many ARs and that the defendant was not handling the weapon very well. McGinnis said that as they were walking south another armed male who appeared to be in his 30s joined them and said he was there to protect the defendant.

originally posted by: bastion
There's a video of Rittenhouse and his mates suckerpunching a girl and having a four guys vs one girl fight on Reddit - not sure if it was prior to the shooting or from an earlier date but either way it puts a massive hole in the self defence argument. He's wearin the same hat and pants but tshirt/vest looks a different colour.

The guys filming it stop filming and sounds like they're getting out the car to split up the fight as it's three guys and a girl punching one girl.

Link here video

EDIT: He's not the guy in the hat, he's the guy with the black hoodie and red/white/blue shorts.

For those that can't see video - two girls are having an argument, Kyle and his mates are friends with one of the girls. He squares up to the other girl and his female friend pulls him back. His female friend then swings the first punch against the girl and Kyle and his mates jump in punching the girl several from behind instead of just splitting up the fight.

The commentary is comedy genius. One says he's 'Captain Save A Ho', they discuss phoning the police but realise because they're black police would focus their attention on them and not the actual crimes that have been comitted. They decide to split up the fight as it's they're 'ganging up on a bitch'. Who says chivallry is dead?

Well well well looks like that little # is a trouble maker, I wonder if this little tidbit will make its way to court and have sway on the verdict.

This is worthy of a thread considering how much effort the conservatives here have pushed this guy as a hero.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I wouldn't dream of condoning the kids behaviour in that video....but kids are kids and we all did things we aren't particularly proud of when we were 17 years old, I know I certainly did.

Surely parents bear a certain amount of responsibility?
My parents did everything possible to prevent me getting into trouble but I guess I was just a little twat and got in to all sorts of mischief right through my teens and if I'm honest I drove my parents mad at times. Nothing too bad but one or two things that I am ashamed of to this day.
But the point is my parents tried everything to keep me out of trouble......they certainly didn't actively encourage and/or enable me to potentially get involved in trouble.

What sort of parent drives their kid to a protest like this and drops him and his assault rifle off as if he was having a normal night out with his mates?
My head really struggles with this.
This must be one of the most irresponsible things I've heard of any parent doing.
Sure, the guys who got shot sound like right pieces of crap - the guy who is seen earlier being a complete arsehole talking #e and eventually gets shot in the head, (who stands there and video's someone dying?), seems a total prick and the one who nearly got his arm shot off seems like a particularly horrible piece of # - but none of that takes away from the fact that the kid shouldn't have been there.
And he probably wouldn't have been there if his own mother hadn't driven him there and dropped him off as if nothing untoward was going on - just a full blown riot with lots of other people with guns - why wouldn't you just drop your armed 17 year old son off in the middle of something like that, perfectly normal.

Seems to me that there's an awful lot of people who need to do some soul searching and who bear a portion of responsibility......none more so than this kids mother.