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Why Not Pakistan?

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posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sugarlump
CTID,

In point of fact I am extremelly unhappy about the current war we are in. In return for me throwing in a harmless joke at the beginning your next post was more or less an attack on me personally and Americans in general. In response to this I am going to do nothing other than refute your statement once again politelly.
Nygdan and others have continued down the path as to why we shouldn't invade pakistan so I will not even bother to address that. Instead I am going to illustrate a few points so you fully understand the supposed benefits we as the American people are NOT reaping from our war for oil.

Gas prices have steadilly risen since 9/11 and are showing no sign of slowing down.

Our friends and neighbors and families are coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan physically and emotionally scarred for life.

By lumping all americans into the NeoCon camp you are dangerously stereotyping us and creating an enemy you cannot afford to have. Namelly the American people, At some point this Neo Con insanity will end and when it does I really don't think you want to have attracted the Ire of the American People. Because while a government might deal with someone in the name of expedience if you alienate the countrie's people that will no longer be a politically survivable option.

Please don't believe what you see on CNN, Most americans do not share the views they would have you believe, and by believing that most of us are in lock step with current government policy you are in fact buying directly into the propaganda.



Sugalump - apologies if you thought me impolite, don't think I referred to you at all.

I don't intend to insult the sensible, caring Americans who want no part of this neo-con war for oil. For upsetting the ignorant, simplistic fools who know nothing beyond the price of 'gas' I make no apologies.

The whole tone of this post was ironic. I thought it was blindingly obvious. Sorry if you didn't get it.

FWIW I don't think you should attack Pakistan, then again I don't think you (and us) should have attacked / invaded Iraq in the first place.

Whether the American people are getting the benefit isn't the point. The neo-con power base get the benefit (oil co.'s, Haliburton/ KBR, Carlyle Group) you get dead & maimed soldiers.

All the victims are people; some completely innocent, some less so. Iraqis / Afghanis get, unfortunately, less mercy, aftercare, pensions etc etc. It's them I'm really bothered about - I know it's unfashionable but I'm like that.

"and when it does I really don't think you want to have attracted the Ire of the American People" - is that a threat? What are you going to do to me? Shoot me? If so please let me have your details and we can take it elsewhere.

I don't watch CNN - I'm personally insulted that you assume I do. I read a wide-range of papers and watch objective TV (in UK we still have a free media - Sky excepted - I sometimes watch your ABC for a laugh but that's it) this gives me enough info to form my own view thanks very much.

I hope you're right and there's more who 'think' than those who absorb - shame your recent vote didn't reflect your optimistic view, and the warmongers have 4 more years to blacken your (once) good name.

Not anti-American at all - just anti this America




posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by edsinger
At least 52% of us do

I certainly would not include you in that, not to offend. Your understanding of geopolitics as I've seen it on this forum is lacking and, sorry to say, based on, at best, ignorant positions. Vis a vis the nature of islam. At least, I am under the impression that you consider it an inherently vulgar and dangerous religion, rather than just a religion.



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 05:01 PM
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Well I think the challenge is no longer there anymore. Last year Pakistan signed a Sofa agreement with the US. The US can go in anytime it wants, without issue now I think. ATS Link


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[edit on 20-3-2005 by smirkley]



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