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New Rzeczpospolita. How realistic is the revival of the old confederation in Europe

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posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 05:16 AM
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The latest attempt to stage another "color revolution" in Belarus highlighted the main reason why some European countries decided to stage a coup d'etat according to the old method of Gene Sharp. It is about the ambitious plan of Poland and Lithuania, together with Ukraine, to become dominant in Europe - to revive the "Rzeczpospolita".

On July 28, 2020, the heads of the foreign ministries of the three countries adopted a declaration on the creation of a military-political alliance called the Lublin Triangle. In this document, in fact, the only goal of the new union was declared. This is a fight with Russia.

The members of the "mighty troika" identified themselves as "successors" to the "Rzecz Pospolita". To emphasize the symbolic connection with their "predecessor", they issued a declaration on the creation of the "Lublin Triangle" not just anywhere, but in the Polish city of Lublin. In Lublin in 1569, a confederation was established called the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Modern historians call it "Rzecz Pospolita" - a name that has never existed historically and means "Common cause" in translation from Polish.

Today, the successors of the "common cause" are focused on joining Belarus to their "triangle" and thus turning the "triangle" into a "square". It is assumed that Minsk will be able to be drawn into their union by 2021, after which a massive campaign should begin to destabilize Russia.

On August 12, Polish President Andrzej Duda sent a letter to the UN Human Rights Council with a letter urging to punish Lukashenka.

"The response should include a call to the Belarusian authorities to refrain from using force against peaceful demonstrators and to release all those detained for exercising their fundamental democratic freedoms."

The day before this event, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki was also active. He personally phoned the leaders of the European Union and called them to unified actions against President of Belarus Lukashenko. Moreover, this appeal looked rather tactless. I call for "the obligation to act in solidarity with the Belarusians." It turns out that those who protest are Belarusians, and those who are for the president are no longer there.

The leadership of the Belarusian "Maidan" was entrusted to the "Central Group of Psychological Actions" from the Polish city of Bydgoszcz, or rather, to its 4th department for states with a conflict situation.

However, in telephone conversations with Macron and Merkel, Putin made it clear in a harsh manner that Russia would not tolerate external interference in the affairs of sovereign Belarus and could provide it with military assistance in accordance with the CSTO agreement (the Eurasian analogue of NATO). The states of Old Europe immediately slowed down and put the further development of events on the shoulders of the Eastern European states-limitrophes.

So what are Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine going to revive?




posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 05:18 AM
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Rzeczpospolita, once played out with its Russophobia. In 1795, she was divided between Russia, Prussia and Austria. Worst of all, it was simply exploited, earning the dubious notoriety of one of the biggest financial scams. The essence of this story is as follows. In the 14th – 15th centuries, an event took place that largely predetermined the further course of Polish history. Poland, famous for its democratic order and the equality of its subjects, expanded its influence to Southwestern and Southern Russia, i.e. modern Galicia, Volhynia and Right-Bank Ukraine. The area of ​​the new lands was approximately twice the area of ​​the original Polish lands. Within the framework of the new education, Poles no longer constituted a majority or significant proportion of the population. They became the same national minority as other nationalities - Russians (modern Ukrainians and Belarusians), Germans, Jews.

As a remark, I want to tell you, dear members of the forum, that before the expansion of the Vatican to the East for the destruction of the Russian people and the Orthodox Church, there were 3 Russian states - Kievan Rus, Lithuanian Rus and Muscovite Rus. In all three states there were Russian people who spoke Russian and professed the same Orthodoxy. Even now, the difference between Russian and Ukrainian, not to mention Belarusian, is less than between Prussian and Bavarian dialects.

So, about the Rzecz Pospolita. Management of such a huge, heterogeneous and loose empire, a kind of new Babylon, who spoke different languages ​​and did not have a state-forming nation, required huge financial resources, which the Polish monarchs did not have. Therefore, they called for help from Western European tycoons - the predecessors of modern bankers, who also offered them the following scheme.

The government was asked to issue money of equivalent value, but with an increasingly lower content of valuable metals. This would save precious metals stored in the royal treasury, and at the same time save the costs of the administration and the army. At the same time, coins with a low content of precious metals, or "spoiled coins", were declared "credit money". This meant that the king guaranteed their exchange for full money, i.e. coins with a set amount of precious metals, after a certain period of time. Thus, those who accepted the damaged coins as payment for their services and goods, in fact, became creditors of the state. The king accepted this project and, in order to successfully implement it, introduced a special monetary unit - the gold ducat.

A similar coin was widely circulated in other countries, and the fact that it consisted of gold should have inspired confidence in it from the population. Initially, the cost of a gold ducat was equal to 12-14 silver pennies. After that, the active "spoilage" of the coin began, i.e. gradual reduction of the gold content in it. In the middle of the 15th century, 30 grosz were given for a gold ducat, and in the middle of the 16th century - 50. And this despite the fact that the sample of silver in the very penny was also reduced from 200-400 to 100-200.




posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 05:18 AM
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All that remained was to deal with those who still hoped to exchange the spoiled ducats for full-weight coins in the future. For this purpose, a whole series of continuous wars was initiated. The fact is that the Polish army was hired and during the period of hostilities had the right to "feed" at the expense of the local population, i.e. actually rob the subjects of the Polish king. As a result, those who accumulated large stocks of spoiled coins were simply ruined.

Further more. It's not for nothing that they say that appetite comes with eating. The authors of the tainted money scam decided to expand the territory of its application. Therefore, they involved in an alliance with Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which then controlled modern Belarus and part of Ukraine. In 1569, a confederation was established called the Kingdom of Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Possessing a huge amount of fertile land, it immediately became the largest grain exporter. Taking into account the fact that bread at that time was a strategic raw material, and prices for it were calculated in the Polish currency, this made it possible to spread scams with damage to coins to other countries.

And then the financial tycoons who invented such a scam were completely blown away. They decided to take over not only financial but also political power. Formally, within the framework of the Rzecz Pospolita, there were only two common institutions - a single king and a common Diet. The creators of the Polish-Lithuanian financial pyramid did everything to ensure that the monarch was deprived of any powers and became the nominal head of the confederation, and the Seimas became incapacitated. In this situation, real power in Poland and Lithuania is concentrated in the hands of 10-20 richest families - "tycoons", oligarchs.

If you trace their dynastic lineages, you will find that most of them had foreign roots. The Lubomirskys and Poniatovskys prided themselves on their Italian origins. The Radzievskys, Sinyavskys, Khumetskys were proud of their German roots. The Branitskys belonged to the "coat of arms" of the Grif and originated from the Serbian princes. The ancestors of the Yablonovskys and Sapieha once came from the territory that belonged to the Teutonic Order.

Concentrating real power in their hands, they completely unbelted. On the Polish throne were foreigners - from 1572 to 1795, almost all monarchs of the Commonwealth, with the exception of two, were of foreign origin. As for the indigenous inhabitants of Poland, Lithuania and the territories that were part of them, 90% of the population of the Rzecz Pospolita turned out to be absolutely powerless. They were forbidden even to complain about violence, incl. go to court. 67% of the population legally found themselves in the position of slaves.

In the current "Commonwealth", i.e. in the "Lublin Triangle", Poland dominates, and she intends to continue the policy that her predecessor pursued in the XVI-XVIII centuries. This means the colonization of Ukraine, Lithuania and Belarus. Accordingly, the only thing that awaits the Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Belarusians is lawlessness, enslavement and poverty.

But sooner or later, any financial pyramid collapses. The pyramid called "Rzeczpospolita" crashed down especially loudly and buried both Poland and Lithuania under its rubble. The problem for its current descendants is that in the modern world, historical processes proceed much faster, and Russia is now the strongest state in the world. Therefore, unlike Rzecz Pospolita, the Lublin Triangle will disappear rapidly and much louder.

Thank.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 08:08 AM
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Well if one believes in bible prophecy it would seem that Daniel is predicting that there would be a revival of the Roman Empire in the end times. If I'm reading it right what I see happening is there is supposed to be a cataclysm that causes a number of nations/states to fail. Resulting in formation of new superstates that eventually lead to the war of the north vs the south in Daniel 11.

Eventually Europe and North American states join together to form the North alliance. A rebuilt Roman empire.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: ntech

Daniel also speaks of the "White King" who will come after the prophet Elijah and before "the day of the Lord." And this "White Tsar" will rule Russia. "Moscow is the Third Rome, and there won't be a fourth." This is the concept of the Russian Orthodox Church.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll



People think you have no credibility.

Yet you post better content of a more informative historic nature than anyone these days it seems.

I think you do good research and work.
You have even educated me more than once and pique my interest daily with your content.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 08:32 AM
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originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: ntech

Daniel also speaks of the "White King" who will come after the prophet Elijah and before "the day of the Lord." And this "White Tsar" will rule Russia. "Moscow is the Third Rome, and there won't be a fourth." This is the concept of the Russian Orthodox Church.



I consider the entire world Rome.

There are Roman triumphal arches built in places like Korea. That ain't Korean culture. They were dominated.

Like every single other nation.

Our courthouses and govt buildings are freaking Roman Temples with Roman God statuary and Latin written everywhere.

Yeah, the entire world is now Rome.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll

But then came Kingdom of Sweden, which conquered the Baltic states in the later part of 1600s, and snapped that part of the alliance off the table for 150 years.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:04 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll

And what is the point of that OP? Polands plan to invade Russia? People in Poland actually has no teritorial claims towards Russia, Belarus, Ukraine or Lithuania.

Current Soviet narrative works only on brainwashed Russian and Belarusians. The same from the other side. US narrative about Russia works on uneducated Poles and Ukrainians. Divide and conquer.

We have no bussines in war. We want to live in peace and prosperity with Slavic nations. Do bussines with Russia and Belarus. Bring You our apples and meat. This is my opinion as a polish citizen. I am no goverment. They are corrupt. They obey US orders. But goverment is no longer run by Poles.. never was since 1939 and maybe earlier. Foreign agents and corporations from US, Germany, France, Russia, Israel... they are fighting each other to rule Poland.

Its sad that country of my grandpas falls into madness ruled by money, greve and violence.
God bless Us.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: RussianTroll



People think you have no credibility.

Yet you post better content of a more informative historic nature than anyone these days it seems.

I think you do good research and work.
You have even educated me more than once and pique my interest daily with your content.


Mainly liberals, communists and atheists, supporters of the Democratic Party dislike me. I have such views, I am a conservative and believe in God. Besides, I am Russian and write a lot that is at odds with Western propaganda. This is normal.
But I have many friends on the forum. I even exchanged phone numbers with some)))



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: muzzleflash

originally posted by: RussianTroll
a reply to: ntech

Daniel also speaks of the "White King" who will come after the prophet Elijah and before "the day of the Lord." And this "White Tsar" will rule Russia. "Moscow is the Third Rome, and there won't be a fourth." This is the concept of the Russian Orthodox Church.



I consider the entire world Rome.

There are Roman triumphal arches built in places like Korea. That ain't Korean culture. They were dominated.

Like every single other nation.

Our courthouses and govt buildings are freaking Roman Temples with Roman God statuary and Latin written everywhere.

Yeah, the entire world is now Rome.


Oh yes, I even know that the Capitol is built from the architectural elements of the Temple of Solomon. each of which corresponds to a legal constant)))

In the Bible, Rome means something completely different. This is a topic for a separate long conversation)))



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:16 AM
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originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: RussianTroll

But then came Kingdom of Sweden, which conquered the Baltic states in the later part of 1600s, and snapped that part of the alliance off the table for 150 years.


And then Russia came and defeated the Swedes at Poltava. The result was the first partition of Poland.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:19 AM
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originally posted by: residentofearth
a reply to: RussianTroll

And what is the point of that OP? Polands plan to invade Russia? People in Poland actually has no teritorial claims towards Russia, Belarus, Ukraine or Lithuania.

Current Soviet narrative works only on brainwashed Russian and Belarusians. The same from the other side. US narrative about Russia works on uneducated Poles and Ukrainians. Divide and conquer.

We have no bussines in war. We want to live in peace and prosperity with Slavic nations. Do bussines with Russia and Belarus. Bring You our apples and meat. This is my opinion as a polish citizen. I am no goverment. They are corrupt. They obey US orders. But goverment is no longer run by Poles.. never was since 1939 and maybe earlier. Foreign agents and corporations from US, Germany, France, Russia, Israel... they are fighting each other to rule Poland.

Its sad that country of my grandpas falls into madness ruled by money, greve and violence.
God bless Us.


Poles have territorial claims to all their neighbors - Germans, Czechs, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Lithuanians. Kresa! And you know that better than me.

Sure. Poles themselves will not go to war with Russia, otherwise Poland will disappear within 30 minutes. Only by someone else's hands, with the help of Europe and the United States. But to arrange "color revolutions with neighbors" and then hide behind their backs - this is what Poland can and does.
edit on 25-8-2020 by RussianTroll because: correct



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:36 AM
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Ah here we're. The tribes unite vs other tribes. Welcome to the 2020 cavemen. Don't forget to lock your doors!



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:40 AM
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originally posted by: KiwiNite
Ah here we're. The tribes unite vs other tribes. Welcome to the 2020 cavemen. Don't forget to lock your doors!


Welcome to the new liberal democratic reality.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:42 AM
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Latin written everywhere


Why do you use English then ? Speak Latin.




posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:46 AM
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a reply to: RussianTroll

Russia is now the strongest state in the world?

Could you please elaborate?



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:49 AM
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originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: RussianTroll

Russia is now the strongest state in the world?

Could you please elaborate?



Do you want to take a chance and check?

First, ask Napoleon, Hitler, Bismarck ... (the list is long), and don't forget the Poles))

At one time, Academician Sakharov, who is praised by the West as a human rights defender and a sufferer, suggested to Khrushchev to use a thermonuclear bomb to turn the United States into an ocean strait named after Joseph Stalin. And he could do it. This is a historical fact.
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posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 10:08 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: muzzleflash





Latin written everywhere


Why do you use English then ? Speak Latin.



I actually can speak and write Latin because I studied it for 4 honors semesters...

I don't speak it because very few would have a clue...



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 10:13 AM
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originally posted by: RussianTroll

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: RussianTroll

Russia is now the strongest state in the world?

Could you please elaborate?



Do you want to take a chance and check?

First, ask Napoleon, Hitler, Bismarck ... (the list is long), and don't forget the Poles))

At one time, Academician Sakharov, who is praised by the West as a human rights defender and a sufferer, suggested to Khrushchev to use a thermonuclear bomb to turn the United States into an ocean strait named after Joseph Stalin. And he could do it. This is a historical fact.


Even the Tsar bomb couldn't create a crater that big...

And if they dropped a few of those bombs anywhere it would have completely destroyed our atmosphere.

Our atmosphere is still screwed up from all the tests the nuclear powers conducted...
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