Theory of "Two Suns" Would Explain our Solar System and the Mystery of Planet Nine

So a simulation has shown that a binary star system, with two suns orbiting each other, would explain a number of oddities in our current solar system, like the many Oort Cloud objects and, who would have guessed it, the existence of "Planet Nine". These two phenomena are quite "puzzling" and apparently difficult for current theories to account for, so maybe we indeed once used to have a solar companion and therefore two suns?

Who could possibly come up with something like that? Well, astrophysicists Dr. Avi Loeb und Amir Siraj (Harvard & Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics) recently published a paper on Cornell University's ARXIV platform introducing their arguments for such a theory. If they're right, it would have certainly been a sight to behold:



Planet nine, according to the new theory, would have been captured by our own solar system and would therefore have originally been orbiting the second sun or star. The same would be true for the Oort Cloud objects. Quite intriguing if you ask me, and it is all nicely explained (in layman terms) in this article on phys.org.

Here's the abstract of the original paper:

The Case for an Early Solar Binary Companion

We show that an equal-mass, temporary binary companion to the Sun in the solar birth cluster ata separation of∼103AU would have increased the likelihood of forming the observed populationof outer Oort cloud objects and of capturing Planet Nine.

In particular, the discovery of a captured origin for Planet Nine would favor our binary model by an order of magnitude relative to a lone stellarhistory. Our model predicts an overabundance of dwarf planets, discoverable by LSST, with similarorbits to Planet Nine, which would result from capture by the stellar binary.

So if this early binary companion, or second sun, did exist one might of course ask: where did it go? To answer that, Loeb and Siraj argue as follows: "Passing stars in the birth cluster would have removed the companion from the sun through their gravitational influence," said Loeb. "Before the loss of the binary, however, the solar system already would have captured its outer envelope of objects, namely the Oort cloud and the Planet Nine population." Siraj added, "The sun's long-lost companion could now be anywhere in the Milky Way."

I thought this might be of interest to some members here in the space exploration forum and I very much look forward to your thoughts on this!



Sources & Links:
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1. Abstract: The Case for an Early Solar Binary Companion
2. PDF Version: The Case for an Early Solar Binary Companion
3. Further Information About Planet Nine
4. Article: The Sun May Have Started Its Life With A Binary Companion

It's kind of silly to call if the second sun, since Sun is the name of kid familiar star...

a reply to: jeep3r

a reply to: jeep3r

So if this early binary companion, or second sun, did exist one might of course ask: where did it go? To answer that, Loeb and Siraj argue as follows: "Passing stars in the birth cluster would have removed the companion from the sun through their gravitational influence," said Loeb. "Before the loss of the binary, however, the solar system already would have captured its outer envelope of objects, namely the Oort cloud and the Planet Nine population." Siraj added, "The sun's long-lost companion could now be anywhere in the Milky Way."

Anywhere? Could it still be a part of our solar system? Maybe it turned into a Black dwarf long ago and is naturally stealthy.

Fun read, thanks for posting.

a reply to: hombero

I think it's easier to relate to the term "two suns" or "second sun" as opposed to "binary star system/binary companion", which is of course also mentioned in the OP. But you do have a point there, I admit.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

Not sure regarding its whereabouts or how far away it would be, I'm definitely not an expert. But wouldn't it be great to one day locate our lost stellar companion (if there indeed was one)?

And thanks again for your input, much appreciated!

I have always thought Jupiter....a gas giant...to be a sun who's ignition never really got up and running.

*sadface* I would love two suns..

a reply to: Spacespider

A truly memorable moment in sci-fi history, I should have included that in the OP...

Thanks for posting!

I personally have believed and will continue to believe until proven otherwise that there is a twin to our sun and it may be a dwarf or any number of things but is on its way back to us.
Many changes in the solar system and I don't like the way the science is doing just what the COVID people have been doing changing their stories back and forth every few months.
The thing is not to believe every thing you are told because it is science. They have changed everything that was a "sure" known thing over the years. Like the Big Bang pretty much out of popularity after being taught as a true thing for so many years.
Why is it they know what gasses are coming from this distant object now but having a orbiting craft above Ceres and they only recently "know" the white material is just plain old salt. Pretty reasonable to think they have ways of recognizing this material sodium easily by now.

Could the out gassing of Comet C/2017 K2 (PANSTARRS) be related?

“K2 is so far from the Sun and so cold, we know for sure that the activity — all the fuzzy stuff making it look like a comet — is not produced, as in other comets, by the evaporation of water ice,” Dr. Jewitt explained.

“Instead, we think the activity is due to the sublimation of super-volatiles as K2 makes its maiden entry into the Solar System’s planetary zone. That’s why it’s special. This comet is so far away and so incredibly cold that water ice there is frozen like a rock.”

Observations of the thickness of Pluto’s atmosphere in 2002 suggested the dwarf planet was warming even as its orbit took it further from the Sun. The finding baffled astronomers at the time, and the cause has yet to be determined.

Read more: www.newscientist.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: jeep3r

So how does an outside influence pull a star out of our solar system but not the other objects out there on that envelope. You'd think those smaller objects would feel that gravitational effect more so than a star right? It is an interesting theory though...maybe we lost the star in some other way.

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: jeep3r

So if this early binary companion, or second sun, did exist one might of course ask: where did it go? To answer that, Loeb and Siraj argue as follows: "Passing stars in the birth cluster would have removed the companion from the sun through their gravitational influence," said Loeb. "Before the loss of the binary, however, the solar system already would have captured its outer envelope of objects, namely the Oort cloud and the Planet Nine population." Siraj added, "The sun's long-lost companion could now be anywhere in the Milky Way."

Anywhere? Could it still be a part of our solar system? Maybe it turned into a Black dwarf long ago and is naturally stealthy.

Fun read, thanks for posting.

Because the time required for a white dwarf to reach this state is calculated to be longer than the current age of the universe (13.8 billion years), no black dwarfs are expected to exist in the universe now, and the temperature of the coolest white dwarfs is one observational limit on the age of the universe.[1]

From your link.

A horde of stragglers lurking in the dark haha...the oort cloud is spooky.

a reply to: jeep3r

Might be a failed brown dwarf star that we have yet to detect somewhere out past the Oort cloud.

In a binary system I think there should be a few more rocky planets as they are made closer to a star, So two stars means more chances of rocky planets, We could have a few missing planets,

a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

no black dwarfs are expected to exist in the universe now

Thanks for pointing that out.

We don't know enough about the universe to be sure, IMO. Humans have been no farther than the moon.

a reply to: jeep3r

Stars of our Sun class are frequently members of binary systems - they have a red dwarf (M Class) as part of the system .

Our Sun is unusual in that it is a single star

Been numerous theories trying to explain this anomaly

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

no black dwarfs are expected to exist in the universe now

Thanks for pointing that out.

We don't know enough about the universe to be sure, IMO. Humans have been no farther than the moon.

Honestly it was a solid idea, if I had read your post a few days ago I would have been supportive of your theory, but by random coincidence I happened to encounter the term 'black dwarf' in a documentary a few days ago and learned this so I double checked your link to jog my memory.

youtu.be...
That was the documentary I watched, the black dwarf part is at about 7 minutes in, but its honestly an amazing and easy to watch compilation of information if you get bored some time.

a reply to: jeep3r

We are in a relationship with the star Sirius. It is not a binary relationship as Sirius is a binary / trianry system in its own accord. The cycle is a 25920 year cycle and the knowledge is on the wall in the ancient teachings and modern occultic societies.

I could do a lot of writing on this but there is a thread up if you are interested.

a reply to: purplemer

We are in a relationship with the star Sirius.

Well, it is the brightest star in the sky. Yes. So people have noticed it for quite a while. Ever since they noticed the sky.

The cycle is a 25920 year cycle

Precession has nothing to do with Sirius.

a reply to: Phage

The cycle is a 25920 year cycle Precession has nothing to do with Sirius.

Helllo Phage that in its self is a debatable statement. According to ancient teachings these two things are very muh linked.

Have you had a look at the back of my mega thread you will see some work has been done that suggests this may be the case.



I used one degree each way of the latitude horizon and found Sirius rising with the Sun from 4042 BC to 1681 BC, this also shows the precession of Regulus that actually sits on the Ecliptic, however this gets out of sync both ways at both ends, and ends up staggered, showing only for some years. This shows something mysterious happening as Sirius isn't acting like other stars regarding precession for over 2,000 years! Astronomy pictures below, as yet i haven't found any location other than the latitude of Cairo









Heck as I stated its a been used a time keeper in preference to our sun in may cultures. Notabley the Mayans / Kemetics and Vedics and coincindelty ours two in which Sirius lines up local time new years eve.

Sirius is the time keeper!