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Why are there so many anti Trumpers from over seas?

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posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 10:14 AM
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edit on 24-8-2020 by Scapegrace because: Starting over




posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 10:19 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: shooterbrody




Why would we give 2 craps about the domestic policy of 5 toothless people and 2 million muslims


As a footnote, you do realise there are more Muslims in The U.S. than there are in Britain ? Education is your friend.

You’re right, but Muslims comprised 4.4 percent of your population according to the 2011 UK census, and 1.1 percent of America’s according to a 2018 Pew Research study. Islam is the second largest religion in the U.K., after Christianity, and the third largest in the USA, after Christianity and Judaism.



posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: JON666


Ancient history fast forward it took the USA to supply you with war goods during WW2. You all were going down in flames until we got in the war. Was it the Brits who marched into Berlin?


Come on! Not one country won
the bloody war! It was a collective thing. If America was not involved, we would have lost, if Russia was not involved, we would have lost. If great Britain was not involved, we would have lost, and on and on!
I agree it was a collective victory and all the allies made enormous contributions. However, if Russia or the UK had been conquered or obliged to come to terms, the USA would have been just fine.

No one was going to invade us and we were about as self-sufficient as any nation has ever been. And after the A-bomb was developed, we were invincible.

It was infinitely more to the advantage of the USSR and UK that America entered the war on their side. If we had remained neutral, I doubt Germany could have been defeated. I don’t think Russia would have been conquered, but I don’t see how it could have conquered Germany without Lend Lease and the diversion of German forces to fight the Western allies.

If the Soviets had made a separate peace with Germany, the UK would have been at risk of invasion, having its absolutely essential imports interdicted and/or subjected to a reinvigorated aerial attack. At best, the UK would have remained independent but unable to harm Germany to a significant degree.
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posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 11:12 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: JON666





Ancient history fast forward it took the USA to supply you with war goods during WW2. You all were going down in flames until we got in the war. Was it the Brits who marched into Berlin?


How easy it was for America to produce goods for the war effort. American factories where NEVER BOMBED during the war, unlike British factories that had to endure constant air raids and bombing by The Nazi's.

Mainland America didn't even know it was at war. Life went on as normal without a single air raid taking place. Would love to have seen how America would have coped if it had to endure what Britain and mainland Europe did.

Load of pussies.

The Krauts and Japs didn’t think we were a load of pussies by war’s end.

They didn’t cross vast oceans, make more than a dozen huge amphibious landings (one of the riskiest military undertakings) on U.S. shores, win every single major battle (well, at least after Kasserine Pass and El Guettar), drive our forces back relentlessly, destroy our industrial capacity from the air and occupy our nation — all within less than four years.

I’m not saying we did all those things on our own, but can you imagine Germany or Japan invading the USA and conquering it? Or fighting full-scale wars on the opposite sides of the Atlantic and Pacific (Hitler is always ridiculed for fighting on two fronts) while simultaneously supplying vast quantities of materiel to other major combatants? It takes guts, willpower and a helluva lot of confidence to do what our guys did.

Yes, our vast industrial, agricultural and technological capacities made our victories possible, but it still required brave men to do the fighting, bleeding and dying.

“Load of pussies.” Sheesh.

P.S. My dad, the great-great-great-grandson of Scottish immigrants by the way, served in the Battle of the Bulge and too part in many river crossings against determined German opposition.
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posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 11:25 AM
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originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: alldaylong

Nope it was all us



Without The World Wide Web we wouldn't be having this conversation.




The world wide web was invented by Sir Tim Berners-Lee in 1989 – originally he was trying to find a new way for scientists to easily share the data from their experiments. ... The world wide web opened up the internet to everyone, not just scientists


artsandculture.google.com...

It was all well and good America developing The Internet, but if only a few select people could use it what was the point?

Tim Berners-Lee's development of The Web allowed everyone access who wanted it. It was a BRITISH chap who did that.



You have it exactly backwards; without the Internet we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The WWW makes the Internet a lot easier to use, but it uses Hypertext, a U.S. Invention to get around the Internet.

Wikipedia: Berners-Lee wrote a proposal in March 1989 for "a large hypertext database with typed links".

I used bulletin board systems to debate issues with folks like you long before the WWW was created.

Also, the WWW didn’t give more people access to the Internet, it made it easier — a lot easier — to use.
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posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: Scapegrace

A fair amount of truth in what you posted'
However; Lend Lease = America making HUGE amounts of money out of the war.....and America was quite content on doing that and would have continued to do so if Germany hadn't declared war on the USA.



.....the UK would have been at risk of invasion, having its absolutely essential imports interdicted and/or subjected to a reinvigorated aerial attack. At best, the UK would have remained independent but unable to harm Germany to a significant degree.


Not strictly true.
The threat of invasion had passed with the RAF beating the Luftwaffe in The Battle of Britain.
Hitler knew he could not succesfully invade the UK without air superiority and Germany never achieved that and were never likely to.

Hitler's attack on Russia was to serve several purposes.
Obviously the defeat of Russia and Stalin's communist regime.
That would then give Hitler the lebensraum he so desperately dreamed of.
Hilter believed that if he achoeved the first two objectives and the USA remained content with simply making money out of the war it would have forced the UK to accept a ceasefire - something that would never have happened.

If Germany had defeated Russia I suspect the war would have dragged on for years devestating the whole of the continent.

I covered most of this in a previous post in this thread.


The Krauts and Japs didn’t think we were a load of pussies by war’s end


I don't think anyone really thinks you Yanks are 'a load of pussies'.....certainly not anyone who has studied WWII with any level of seriousness.
But we can't help engaging in a bit of 'taking the piss' every now and then, it is after all our favourite pastime.


..... but it still required brave men to do the fighting, bleeding and dying.


You certainly won't hear me disagree with that.



posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: shooterbrody




As if there will be another tank war in europe.





posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 02:38 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

I guess we should be thankful that we stuck together then and didn't squable over demonstrable facts...such as socialism/communism/nazism being evils of the world that our side of the world sought to abolish into the bargain bin of failed ideologies not elevate to a national or INTERNATIONAL platform



posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 03:27 PM
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Everyone wants to be progressive. No one is satisfied with the way things are. Trump is a scapegoat. But the fact he is actively changing the previous status quo of the “deep state” he has become a target. Pre covid, the economy was booming. Comparable to the lefts beloved Bill Clinton. Not quite but in a second term it could definitely rival it. We finally have a president for the people. Which is extremely bad for the deep state. Media worldwide will portray him as a villian. Its not about Trump. It’s his ideolgies that are being targetted.



posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: network dude

in reply to OP question.

Have you seen the front page? It's kind of hard not to be exposed to your crappy politics these days.

Don't worry, I'm not anti-trump, I'm anti-stupid and anti-2party rigged oligarchies regardless of where they are located.

But yeah, seeing how the U.S and China like to bully countries like mine to get their own way, we need to pay attention to what's going on. Honestly be nice if the world ended at your borders like many of you seem to think it does.

These 'anti-trump' foreigners, are they just as bad if they're 'anti-Xi Jinping', from the outside looking in, there's not a lot of difference between both countries, especially when both are playing tug of war with your economy, threatening sanctions equally to get their own way and that kind of thing with complete disregard for those they're screwing over. (and usually because such countries tend to have larger populations than they can actually sustain, and when you cannot afford to feed the kids, you steal it or bully it out of others)

Probably find those foreign anti-trump-jinping are actually anti-U.SofA and anti-china. as in government policies, not the people as such.

If it was a Bush, a Obama, a Clinton, a Reagan, A Sanders, A Biden etc. etc. They'd probably be expressing the same sentiments, and well as your Number 1 representative, he is going to take the crap hurled at your country.

Seems simple enough, but I understand it's a difficult thing for the average 'murican to process as much as it is for any Chinese to do so. Sheltered countries and ways of life and all that, who both view anything foreign with distrust.

You want less foreigners hating on trump or biden or whoever? Stop filling up the front page of ATS with them.

Sure, it's an 'international' conspiracy site, not an 'american' one. But it's kind of hard to tell when these days it looks like a U.S news site of facebook group filled with single minded thinkers more than an international site where open minded people can talk about cool trippy #.

Thankfully I know how to press the 'new' button at the top of the site. Plus I have lots and lots of popcorn and 'Muricans are very cheap entertainment.
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posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Freeborn

I guess we should be thankful that we stuck together then and didn't squable over demonstrable facts...such as socialism/communism/nazism being evils of the world that our side of the world sought to abolish into the bargain bin of failed ideologies not elevate to a national or INTERNATIONAL platform


Amazing how socialism has totally succeeded in every other western country INTERNATIONALLY. Specifically because it isn't communism or Nazism that you love to conflate it with.



posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: FishBait

Doesn't it call for the abolition of private property and puts the government in charge of the means of production?

How exactly does it plan to accomplish that end game? And what about those who resist?

You claim it is being conflated with communism or Nazism, and perhaps it is.. in ideology only. The end result is extreme violence and tyranny of people who are simply trying to exist and pursue happiness without you and others meddling in their affairs.
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posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: kwakakev
The media has them brain washed. I am trying to help my mum, she has a bad case of TDS. Managed to get her to wake up to Hillary Clinton, so not all hope is lost i guess?


Exactly. That's why it's called "brainwashed". It's hard to waken a brainwashed person who's been reinforced with propaganda night after night for years. Just because almost all news networks have the same narrative and phraseology given to them by the deep state, malleable minds think it must be true. WRONG.

The mind is like a parachute; it's absolutely useless when it's closed.
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posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: jseeley

You can hear the words in their hate filled diatribes

They parrot them like talking points, only its much worse and more obvious. One empty, hollow, focus-group-tested lie after the next



posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 05:59 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FishBait

Doesn't it call for the abolition of private property and puts the government in charge of the means of production?

How exactly does it plan to accomplish that end game? And what about those who resist?

You claim it is being conflated with communism or Nazism, and perhaps it is.. in ideology only. The end result is extreme violence and tyranny of people who are simply trying to exist and pursue happiness without you and others meddling in their affairs.


No, it in fact doesn't call for the gov to regulate it at all. It calls for the people to have ownership. And that's basically it. There are already companies that run like this in the US, where every employee has a vote on company decisions etc.

This is the problem, you want to make your own definition to fit your bias but it's an open term that means a group of workers controls the economic systems. There are a lot of ways to apply that. Most counties are using market socialism so there is still profit to be made but the wealth is essentially redistributed though tax collection so everyone has a base standard of living, health care, roads, police etc etc. They have had to make the premise of socialism fit into the already existent profit and trade systems that were there for thousands of years, literally. Pure socialism isn't even a thing, it's just a premise of equality for all. Something we claim we have in the US but don't show very well.

Nazism and Communist countries are military dictatorships hiding behind the term socialism. If you don't realize that's how the world works you really need to look into it. This is like all the people who want to use Venezuela as an example of failed socialism when really it's another corrupt dictatorship hiding behind the term socialism. Conveniently the same talking heads leave out the success of all of Europe, Canada, Australia and so on when socialism comes up. "Oh well, I heard it takes a long time to get a Dr apt" GTFOOWTBS. It takes a long time in the US as well.



posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: network dude

the reason why is because we don't have the blinders on.

an AIDS vaccine? BS. Calling lil kim "rocket man" then goes to meet the man who he chastised, yet they still continued nuclear tests anyway.

He promised to make mexico pay for the wall, never happened.

then he accused russia of this and that but retracts said statements.

He hides behind twitter, calling the MSM "fake news" despite the entire world witnessing him speak his words.

I could go on but 'nuff said.



posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: FishBait

What you're proposing is extremely violent and directly violates Article IV Section 4 of the US Constitution

Infringing upon or undermining our Constitution is an act of war.

Why would you advocate for this course of action?

Again, I ask you, what about those of us who resist? You'd end up with another dictatorship wannabe although our 400,000,000 guns says your black clad socialist antifa thugs don't take an inch of American soil.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 05:25 AM
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Trust in news media worldwide is the worst it's ever been since the printing press was invented.

76% of France does not trust their media for example.

So it's laughable for a member of a "conspiracy forum" to think that an anti-trump narrative in the mainstream media will sway public perception of him. No, it creates the opposite effect.

Alternative media is the new media (which is just as controlled as mainstream media). Trump was elected because of it.

Alternative media has been hijacked by a fake populism movement that will only send us down a post liberal world (real liberalism, not the fake modern left rubbish). But real American values like human rights.

It amazes me how people coming to an ATS board do not question that just maybe, Trump is just another puppet. Has he drained the swamp? No, he just made it bigger.

Like Benjamin Netanjahu said "I know what America is, America is a thing you can move very easily, move in the right direction."






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posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 05:28 AM
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a reply to: Thecakeisalie

I wonder if you noticed. All the things you and others mention have to do with things Trump says. I care about what he does. I already know he says dumb things. It’s how he keeps the media focused on him. It’s worked since forever.



posted on Aug, 25 2020 @ 09:20 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FishBait

What you're proposing is extremely violent and directly violates Article IV Section 4 of the US Constitution

Infringing upon or undermining our Constitution is an act of war.

Why would you advocate for this course of action?

Again, I ask you, what about those of us who resist? You'd end up with another dictatorship wannabe although our 400,000,000 guns says your black clad socialist antifa thugs don't take an inch of American soil.


WTF are you even talking about? I'm explaining basic meanings of words and as usually you try to spin it like everyone wants to put you in camps and make you work at the government gulag. Get a grip. Do you see any of that in Europe? How about Canada.....maybe Austrialla? Of course not. Get over yourself. You can take care of citizens without having your fearmongering "Nazi" state. You don't even know what you are talking about your just babbling like a crazy old man.....oh wait.....



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