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Covid-19 Hospitalizations Decreasing...But Not Covid-19 Deaths. Something is Awry.

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posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 01:34 AM
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Friday, August 21, 2020

Look at the "Current Hospitalizations" graph, and the daily "New Deaths" graph at: covidtracking.com... , and choose the "Full Range" view.

As you can see, when the number of Northeast/Midwest hospitalizations began declining around April 25th, the number of daily Covid-19 deaths began trending downward also.

Currently, the South/Southwest Covid-19 wave is abating. As you see on the graphs, the number of people in the hospital began declining around July 26th.

But unlike what happened in the Northeast/Midwest, this South/Southwest decline in Covid-19 hospitalizations, is NOT leading to a decline in Covid-19 deaths.

In your opinion, why are deaths not decreasing after the peak of the S/SW Covid-19 wave, like they did after the peak of the NE/MW wave?

We are supposedly better at treating Covid-19 patients now, than we were back in April. For that reason, the number of deaths should be dropping even faster than they did back in April/May, as the number of hospitalized patients decreases.

I realize the CDC Director admitted that "some" hospitals are taking advantage of the loose rules, and fabricating Covid-19 deaths, because of the Federal Dollars paid to the hospital per-death.

( Thread on that subject: www.abovetopsecret.com... )

But we've been seeing an average of 1,100 U.S. Covid-19 deaths per day, even though hospitalizations began decreasing back on July 26th.

Since about 7,400 people die every day in America from all causes, there is certainly no shortage of opportunity to milk the system. It's just a little "creepy".

Hopefully we'll soon see that Daily Deaths graphic begin to head south soon, just like it did at the end of April. If not, the Health and Human Services Inspector General will need to investigate.

-CareWeMust

edit on 8/21/2020 by carewemust because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 01:49 AM
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Yes, I wonder about the true numbers of death from the virus. In Japan , the death rate is very low, why, well the govt. Doesn't pay the hospital money for deaths, they pay money to keep the patient alive. America is about money now. Try not to go to the hospital.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:04 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Some potential causes:

Now hitting southern retirement communities where many are treated on site instead of in hospital?

People are afraid of going to the hospital and frequently wait too long?

Currently hitting many Native American communities that seem to have a much higher and faster mortality rate?

Hospitals near capacity are avoiding inpatient admissions more than usual?

1 or more types of insurance fraud or 'milking the system'?


Just wild a$$ guesses. I've been wondering the same thing for a while without finding even a hint of an answer other than the guesses above.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:27 AM
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originally posted by: musicismagic
Yes, I wonder about the true numbers of death from the virus. In Japan , the death rate is very low, why, well the govt. Doesn't pay the hospital money for deaths, they pay money to keep the patient alive. America is about money now. Try not to go to the hospital.

In America, the CDC made it easier for Doctors/Coroners to label someone as a Covid-19 death. Now, the medical person can "presume" a person had Covid-19 at the time of death. That's a very loose guideline which is ripe for being abused to generate a cash payment from Uncle Sam.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:28 AM
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a reply to: musicismagic

The states are not paid by people dying. That is a right wing conspiracy that many people seem to be falling for.
Don’t really want to start any political slinging but just stating a fact. As that has been debunked for some time now.
In truth a hospital that saves lives vs losing them is more likely to receive money from the fed to help teach and continue research in treatment. Not body count.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:32 AM
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a reply to: aeroscrog
You're really sharp! Those are all possibilities that combined, would generate substantially more deaths.

Also, I don't think families get a copy of the death certificate. Even though someone died in a car accident, that person's death certificate could contain Covid-19 on line 2 or 3.

That person would then be listed in 2 categories. "Accidental Death" and "Covid-19 Death"...and the family would never know.


(post by FlyingSquirrel removed for political trolling and baiting)

posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:42 AM
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originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: musicismagic

The states are not paid by people dying. That is a right wing conspiracy that many people seem to be falling for.
Don’t really want to start any political slinging but just stating a fact. As that has been debunked for some time now.
In truth a hospital that saves lives vs losing them is more likely to receive money from the fed to help teach and continue research in treatment. Not body count.



You may begin to believe differently, as you read this Kaiser Health analysis of payments to states/hospitals, based on Covid-19 cases treated.

Good read: khn.org...



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:43 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Thank you for the compliment, but am actually pretty dull.


Has the death certificate process changed since may/june though? Honest question, I have no idea.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: carewemust
You actually typed out "cases" but keep harping on about deaths.

That is one bad disconnect going on there.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:50 AM
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a reply to: FlyingSquirrel
What you describe is accurate in the overall scheme of things. It all boils down to President Trump trying his best to do what he has been saying needs to be done, for more than 20 years now.

"Draining the Swamp" as he puts it, sounds cute, but it will mean jail time, or huge fines, and/or major embarrassment, for a whole lot of high-level politicians and government officials. Mostly Democrats, but a few Republicans as well.

Replacing President Trump with any Democrat at all, will preserve their freedom, their fortune, their reputation...their entire world. That is why removing him from the White House, by any means possible, is priority #1.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:50 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

I will answer you with another question.

If someone planning to use the votes of all Covid 19 dead people?



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:53 AM
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a reply to: FlyingSquirrel

Even though his own chosen people are being charged with crimes all the time and spending time.
Stealing money from people such as those that share your mentality.
Cmon man think about it. His own people are going down and yet you just blame the left even though a massive report from the GOP is condemning Trump and allies and people being charged and many facing charges who Trump placed in powerful positions.
Man take your goggles off bro.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:55 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: carewemust
You actually typed out "cases" but keep harping on about deaths.

That is one bad disconnect going on there.

The states/hospitals get Federal Dollars for cases...which are often not labeled as Covid-19 cases, until after a person dies. In other words, some people who die in the car accident, become a "case" when the coroner puts Covid-19 on line 2 or 3 of the death certificate.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:57 AM
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originally posted by: Trueman
a reply to: carewemust

I will answer you with another question.

If someone planning to use the votes of all Covid 19 dead people?

That would be the ultimate scam wouldn't it? Money for the Covid-19 case, and a vote from him/her after death. It's easier to pull off the former than the latter.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:01 AM
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a reply to: carewemust
Really? You think all those hospitalizations in the graph you linked are not cases that they are getting money for treating?

They don't need them to die to get paid.

You claims are flawed and, again, you are providing the data to bring them down.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:04 AM
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originally posted by: musicismagic
Yes, I wonder about the true numbers of death from the virus. In Japan , the death rate is very low, why, well the govt. Doesn't pay the hospital money for deaths, they pay money to keep the patient alive. America is about money now. Try not to go to the hospital.


Blimmey! I knew in ancient times that Physicians in China were paid a regular fee, a wage if you like to keep their 'patrons' well. The minute the patron fell sick, payment stopped until health was restored. Perhaps this practice went on in ancient Japan too and is still in effect going on today.
I never knew this was the case in Japan.
Obviously no one lives for ever, but this system would have knock on effects into people being encouraged in taking responsibility for their own health.

Rainbows
Jane



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:06 AM
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a reply to: Allaroundyou
Most very wealthy people have several white-collar criminals in their large circle of associates. That is a no-brainer, for those who are blessed with common sense.

Any Prosecutor could cast a net into a random Billionaires circle of associates and haul out a few criminals.

The Southern District of New York could have successfully conducted this fishing expedition with President Trump 5 or 10 years ago.

But the SDNY didn't contract their Trump Obsession Derangement (TOD) until after he beat Hillary.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:15 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: carewemust
Really? You think all those hospitalizations in the graph you linked are not cases that they are getting money for treating?

They don't need them to die to get paid.

You claims are flawed and, again, you are providing the data to bring them down.

As confirmed by the CDC, some people who die from other reasons, are being labeled as Covid-19 deaths.

Once labeled as a Covid-19 death (Code ICD-10) , they also are a Covid-19 case, thereby making the hospital eligible for money.

Is it your belief that unselfish angels are in charge of these medical institutions?



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: FlyingSquirrel


The road of evil always leads back to the donkey. They're worse than the Jews of WWII era Europe and the only solution is the same as before; camps and genocide.


Wow, another ATS moment, so the jews deserved to be gassed in your opinion?




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