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Another big lie - Loving this COUNTRY is not political!

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posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 01:45 AM
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originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: bigsnowman
So, because I disagree with the direction Reagan, the Bushes, and Trump have tried to take this country for the past 40 years, and want legislation passed to change this country for what I and millions of other Americans believe to be the better, you think we hate America?

If we hated this country, we wouldn't be trying to fix it.


oh the denial and deflection in your statement is AMAZING .

but lets look at it under light of FACTS.

One...

while "want legislation passed to change this country for what I and millions of other americans believe is better" the REALITY is "millions more" DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU

That is why your "legislation" has not passed.

more DONT WANT IT and are happy with what we have .

you and your "millions" cant accept that.

two..

if your "millions" left america to some country you feel is what you want. you know what would happen?

there are MILLIONS in other countries MORE THAN WILLING to take you spot and do so under the america you are wanting to change.

so AGAIN your "millions" in the scope of things are the minority

so where does that leave your statement?

it means you are not able to win over enough people in a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC to get the change you want.
some (not saying you) resort to name calling, shaming, doxxing, and when that fails VIOLENT PROTEST and rioting.

instead of the ADULT thing is either accept your "view" is not wanted and/or LEAVE to a country that fits what you want.

I personally dont like everything that happens in US.
but if i am unable to change it i am an ADULT and either accept it (dont have to like it) or go somewhere else.

but to claim that supporting a system that has served the US well (overall) is somehow "bad" is the last desperate attempt to shame your view on others

scrounger

Very well said, first thing that came to my mind after reading that comment was, “maybe your ideas aren’t as great as you think they are”. Group decisions can be challenging.

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posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 01:54 AM
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a reply to: scrounger
Lame.

Either way millions will be disappointed.

Nobody talked about leaving so anyone willing to take their place is a moot point.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: mtnshredder

originally posted by: scrounger

originally posted by: bigsnowman
So, because I disagree with the direction Reagan, the Bushes, and Trump have tried to take this country for the past 40 years, and want legislation passed to change this country for what I and millions of other Americans believe to be the better, you think we hate America?

If we hated this country, we wouldn't be trying to fix it.


oh the denial and deflection in your statement is AMAZING .

but lets look at it under light of FACTS.

One...

while "want legislation passed to change this country for what I and millions of other americans believe is better" the REALITY is "millions more" DO NOT AGREE WITH YOU

That is why your "legislation" has not passed.

more DONT WANT IT and are happy with what we have .

you and your "millions" cant accept that.

two..

if your "millions" left america to some country you feel is what you want. you know what would happen?

there are MILLIONS in other countries MORE THAN WILLING to take you spot and do so under the america you are wanting to change.

so AGAIN your "millions" in the scope of things are the minority

so where does that leave your statement?

it means you are not able to win over enough people in a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC to get the change you want.
some (not saying you) resort to name calling, shaming, doxxing, and when that fails VIOLENT PROTEST and rioting.

instead of the ADULT thing is either accept your "view" is not wanted and/or LEAVE to a country that fits what you want.

I personally dont like everything that happens in US.
but if i am unable to change it i am an ADULT and either accept it (dont have to like it) or go somewhere else.

but to claim that supporting a system that has served the US well (overall) is somehow "bad" is the last desperate attempt to shame your view on others

scrounger

Very well said, first thing that came to my mind after reading that comment was, “maybe your ideas aren’t as great as you think they are”. Group decisions can be challenging.


well stated.
if i may add to it (if you dont mind) is that no one has to agree with your view or you with them

what makes this country great is the MAJORITY rules but ALL have basic rights .

that is something the rest of the world does not always enjoy.

scrounger



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 01:55 AM
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originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: bigsnowman
So, because I disagree with the direction Reagan, the Bushes, and Trump have tried to take this country for the past 40 years, and want legislation passed to change this country for what I and millions of other Americans believe to be the better, you think we hate America?

If we hated this country, we wouldn't be trying to fix it.




Communism is Not a Fix , Maybe Move to China , they will Embrace your Desire for the Subjugation of the Masses there ...........


Seeing as no one in any serious position on any side of the isle is promoting the idea that all property is publicly owned (ya know, the main tenet of communism), then you have no reason to worry about communism. Certainly not the very capitalist Dems that are only one skip away from the even more corporatist Repubs. And China hasn't been Communist in a good long while. You should check out current events sometime (as opposed to doomy red-scare right wing media). Crony capitalism makes the US go 'round. Not going anywhere. Corporatism is just capitalism winning after all. We're winning!


Sadly for some reason very few in the US seem to understand what Capitalist, Communist, Fascist or Liberal mean (likely due to Cold War propaganda). It's the main reason they wrongly think the Dems are left wing when in reality they're to the right of the Republicans.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:04 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik
a reply to: scrounger
Lame.

so what your saying is you cannot debate on the issues i made so you resort to a childish comment. sad really but shows your true colors (if that hasnt already been done by your previous posts)

Either way millions will be disappointed.

accurate statement.. but its not if one is disapointed but how one handles it.. like an adult or like a child throwing a temper tantrum.. in many cases today like a violent child thug

Nobody talked about leaving so anyone willing to take their place is a moot point.


no the point is not "moot" I am showing that the claim "millions" want change is a MINORITY not only in this country but by those MILLIONS MORE WILLING TO COME HERE under the system AS IS.. I also showed in a way that requires thought that if one is complaining as much as they are that people are more than willing to take their place.. that they have the right (no wall stopping them) to go somewhere else they find better. that they are not choosing to do so, that overall the will not be missed nor them leaving effect the overall opinion/ change minds of those that would stay. sorry didnt spell it out on a more simplistic way.

in short if you cannot convince people under our DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC to your view you have three options

one... LEAVE to somewhere you find better

two... ACCEPT (but dont have to like) the system and if you want change realize you have to CONVINCE people with ADULT reasoning with understanding YOU MAY BE IGNORED.

three... keep acting like a child and be viewed as such.. if it crosses into criminal activity you will be treated as such....

scrounger



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:25 AM
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a reply to: scrounger
It's moot because they never said anything about leaving. That is a strawman you propped up.

If they do convince enough people then the millions that didn't want the change will be disappointed and will then be left with your three choices.

That is why it was lame. One argument is not mutually exclusive and the other was made up.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 08:36 AM
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posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 08:38 AM
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originally posted by: bigsnowman
If there's nothing wrong with this country why did Trump have to make it great again

Because people like you have been working to destroy it ever since it was born.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 09:21 AM
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originally posted by: bigsnowman
So, because I disagree with the direction Reagan, the Bushes, and Trump have tried to take this country for the past 40 years, and want legislation passed to change this country for what I and millions of other Americans believe to be the better, you think we hate America?

If we hated this country, we wouldn't be trying to fix it.


What did they do that makes it the wrong direction in your opinion?



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: watchitburn



Socialism and Marxism is not compatible with the Constitution.


Neither is fascism.

But some seem to be ok with it, as long as it's Republican fascism under Trump the Great.


You're not trying to "fix it" you're trying to change it because you hate it and think you're entitled to other's work.


We're trying to preserve what makes our country exceptional, which is being deliberately killed by Trump and the complicit GOP, undermining our American ideals and institutions that has made this country exceptional for many years.

But I don't expect any of you all to understand that American exceptionalism is great—and has and will last longer—than the cult of Trump seeking to destroy it with all its ugliness, degeneracy, and baseness.


What is Trump trying to kill that makes America great? Specifically please, I would like you to answer at least one of my questions to you.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

Mark Twain said that patriotism means supporting your country all the time, but its government only when it deserves it.

I like that philosophy, as there is much truth to it. We must learn to recognize that a country is one thing, and its government is very much another thing.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: Salander

Couldn't agree with this more



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:57 PM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: bigsnowman

Socialism and Marxism is not compatible with the Constitution.

You're not trying to "fix it" you're trying to change it because you hate it and think you're entitled to other's work.


So it would be better if there was only one Party the Republican party?



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 04:11 PM
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a reply to: abeverage

Is this a tacit admission that the democrat party stands for socialism/marxism...?

If so, yes, it needs to be abolished like all incarnations of evil
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posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 04:31 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: abeverage

Is this a tacit admission that the democrat party stands for socialism/marxism...?

If so, yes, it needs to be abolished like all incarnations of evil


No, it was a direct question and does not matter what the the Democrats stand for. I asked a very simple question, feel free to answer.



posted on Aug, 23 2020 @ 01:08 AM
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Its not America phenomenon alone, this mind controlling is going through western world as a whole. If you have a brain you understand being proud of your nation and loving your country there is nothing wrong with that.


originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: JBurns

Mark Twain said that patriotism means supporting your country all the time, but its government only when it deserves it.

I like that philosophy, as there is much truth to it. We must learn to recognize that a country is one thing, and its government is very much another thing.


Well said. This is something media is trying to mix up with purpose maybe
edit on 23-8-2020 by AcerM because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 23 2020 @ 05:12 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: bigsnowman

Socialism and Marxism is not compatible with the Constitution.

You're not trying to "fix it" you're trying to change it because you hate it and think you're entitled to other's work.


"Those who do not articulate their rights - have none."

- Riffrafter



posted on Aug, 23 2020 @ 02:21 PM
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Liberty dies to thunderous applause!



posted on Aug, 24 2020 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: abeverage

Fair enough

I think it would be better if there were 0 parties. Parties lead to elected reps advancing their party line/loyalty to the party instead of their constituents locally who put them in office to begin with.

Parties are what could allow Porland liberals to dictate policy to conservatives in the Mid West. In short - tyranny of the minority by a majority of any size. In theory a mere 51% majority could effectively impose its will on the other 49%.

Without parties lawmakers would address local issues of their constituents and work for favorable outcomes for the people who elected them in the first place. IE: Their job! What works in Portland, Chicago and LA doesn't work in other places.
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posted on Aug, 27 2020 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

I do not see how Zero parties would work isn't that basically saying one party? Give me an example of how you would be elected then?



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