It just doesn't happen

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: rom12345

It is apparently rather a large place.

Down the way as well as up, quantitatively speaking.

What if God or what ever amounts to a creator force is not in the universe anylonger, but off somewhere else creating another or something else?

Any meaningful experience of The Universe would cease to exists.
Faith is needed.
With out it, there is no Hope.

a reply to: rom12345

The very definition of the word "Faith" is confidence or trust in something, or someone, not based on actual proof, aka believing in things unseen.

Hope is an optimistic attitude based on expectation or desirable outcome to a situation.

From a Biblical perspective, i would say faith implies whatever you are hoping for is here now, whereas hope suggests there is a chance of it happening sometime in the future.

Our experiences become meaningful when we can use the skills and knowledge gleaned from such to help achieve our goals i suppose.

Experience seems to be what consciousness is rather about.

a reply to: andy06shake
True, it's a bit like love, in that way.

I believe that we will never achieve interstellar travel with out the leap of faith required to understand the internal universe in an undistorted way.

An solution to the fermi paradox.
perhaps Godless aliens, kill each other on the cusp of it..

or loose hope in transit.
no hail Mary.

All real bravery comes from love, faith, and hope.

a reply to: rom12345

A better understanding of material science, future metamaterials, and some way of producing exotic matter might be nice with regards to any future interstellar endeavors we care to embark upon.

Bravery is the admirable quality and one that's required if we are ever to progress as a race along with a few others.

a reply to: andy06shake

I hope we can get going before we have to.

I hope you find what you are looking for.

a reply to: rom12345

You to mate, i hope we all find what we are looking for.

Feck knows what we will do with it once we have it all the same.

Somehow i suspect the journey is more important than the destination.

originally posted by: carsforkids

What evolution suggests would be the equivalent of throwing the
shards of a broken window in the air and getting a new window.
IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN.

What doesn't happen? Simple chemical reactions that over millions of years grow into complexity. The term life is a human construct not anything the universe recognizes...lol

When you see life broke down into its most simplistic forms how can you not see it as a natural process of our universe. I don't see how intelligent design needs to be a part of it.

Evolution is far from perfect. The best way to explain is "just good enough" so if you think that just good enough is divine creation then so be it. As example the human eye... If it was a TV then the wires would punch out the front tube instead of the back...does that sound like divine creation to you? Now you want to know a great eye look at the octopus.

a reply to: Xtrozero
Perhaps the imperfections are way more useful than you think.
All things that are not God, are imperfect.
In a way that is the point of reference.

originally posted by: rom12345
Perhaps the imperfections are way more useful than you think.
All things that are not God, are imperfect.
In a way that is the point of reference.

Easy way out...

How does perfection make anything less? An all knowing force that created the universe would give us a #ty eye?

Not buying it...

a reply to: andy06shake

I'm nobodys little anything these days. LoL

hahahaha! I see you took that the right way. Good on you for that.
I like to test people to spice things up.

It's you are claiming the universe is proof of God.

K now hang on. I'm damn sure not gonna go where you are and say
the universe isn't proof of anything.

My argument only goes that far for the moment. So where do you
stand with that? Do you wanna hold on to that position? Because the
universe in my mind has to be proof of something in itself. With more
than one possibility limited by our knowledge. Big Bang out of nowhere,
aliens. it's always been here. supreme intelligence, the Anunaki.

Do you agree the universe is proof of something and we just can't prove
what it is?
Or do you say it isn't proof of anything?

a reply to: carsforkids

Well lockdown does have its disadvantages, a bit of additional girth around the waist being just one of them.

I would like to think our universe is proof of something.

Proof of existence at least.

I'm in no way sure all the same.

But i do like pondering the questions.

What if the universe is simply proof of a multiverse?

a reply to: Xtrozero

What doesn't happen? Simple chemical reactions that over millions of years grow

I can't understand how you can make a statement like that. Molecules
do not care about life. Time is the enemy of life and a hostile environment
is the enemy of life. If that's the alternative to Creation and intelligence
my money's going on intelligence every time. Because win or lose it's the
best bet.

When have you seen these simple chemical reactions happening in a mud
puddle that's been sit'n around for millions of years? Cheese and rice
that's the most unheard of pile I could imagine.

a reply to: DustDoses

What's not intelligent is thinking intelligence is the product of the human mind, or an overmind, when intelligence is the very essense of nature.

Why is it not intelligent to think intelligence is a product of the human mind?

Why did I even ask? lol

a reply to: carsforkids

We are only just beginning to understand what constitutes life on our own world, nevermind the rest of the universe.

We could be surrounded by life and simply unable to detect it.

Consider for a moment we exist within a small portion of what constitutes the universe, about 4% of which is visible or detectable to us.

The other 96% of the universe being pretty much a complete and utter mystery aka dark matter and energies.

a reply to: andy06shake

All I care about is that you agree it's proof of something. lol

I think you should've given this statement more context.

We could be surrounded by life and simply unable to detect it.

it looks funny sit'n out there by itself.

a reply to: carsforkids

Well if its all just an illusion, in our own heads, one would imagine we would have endeavored to build a better reality.

Guess its time to double dunt on the blue pills as see what happens next?

Coz ones, not nearly enough for me to swallow that whole kit and caboodle.

originally posted by: carsforkids

I can't understand how you can make a statement like that. Molecules
do not care about life. Time is the enemy of life and a hostile environment
is the enemy of life. If that's the alternative to Creation and intelligence
my money's going on intelligence every time. Because win or lose it's the
best bet.

When have you seen these simple chemical reactions happening in a mud
puddle that's been sit'n around for millions of years? Cheese and rice
that's the most unheard of pile I could imagine.

Chemical reactions are controlled by the laws of our universe in how they interact with each other and things like heat and water. That process is not intelligent, but you might suggest the process is intelligent design.

Evolution is what it is..a process..it is a "how" does life evolve, God is not so much the how but the "why" life happened in the first place with evolution being God's tool.

So if God wanted to have a 747 end product he would have an evolution process whatever it would be that would have started with basically elements and evolve into a 747. It is either this or a parlor trick, and I don't think God would do parlor tricks.

Maybe the 747 is one of God's end product of humans evolving first and then used them to evolve airplanes to a 747.

Personally I feel that species in general have time limitations as in a million years ago there were no humans and a million year in the future humans will be something else, but not human. Maybe evolution always leads to AI which would not have time limitations such as natural life does. Humans could create AI and that grows as humans go extinct...as example.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Evolution is what it is..a process..it is a "how" does life evolve, God is not so much the how but the "why" life happened in the first place with evolution being God's tool.

If you're willing to use that as an approach I'm good with it.

originally posted by: carsforkids

If you're willing to use that as an approach I'm good with it.

I'm not other than to say evolution vs God is not a debate...

The debate would be intelligent design vs random act that work around basic rules/law/actions that a random universe might have.

a reply to: Xtrozero

And I think it's clear which is more credible.