It just doesn't happen

a reply to: andy06shake
It says so in the book of genesis. But also Physics indeed does exist.
There for He made it.

a reply to: rom12345

Where does God lay claim to Physics precisely in the book of Genesis? LoL

Physics is one of the most fundamental scientific disciplines, and its main goal is to understand how the universe behaves and operates.

One would imagine the creator would already have that sussed out.

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Phantom423 If you dispute 500 journals in biological evolution and 200,000 peer-reviewed research articles, it's up to YOU to provide LABORATORY evidence

I'm disputing the theory as a whole. Show me one of those articles that demonstrates a population of organisms gradually evolving into another. Otherwise admit that evolutionary theory relies on faith.

Whenever you are ready to acknowledge that your request has been granted, we are prepared to examine your proof of divine intelligence creating astrophysics and designing life from scratch. Unless of course it just doesn't happen.

a reply to: andy06shake
Let there be light.

a reply to: rom12345

Physics is the natural science that studies matter, its motion, and behavior through space-time.

In physics, the term light sometimes refers to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, whether visible or not.

What a piss poor analogy. LoL

Anyhoo, in the beginning, there was the word, not light if memory serves.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: rom12345

Physics is the natural science that studies matter, its motion and behavior through space-time.

In physics, the term light sometimes refers to electromagnetic radiation of any wavelength, whether visible or not.

What a piss poor analogy. LoL

Anyhoo in the begining there was the word not light if memmory serves.

Yes the word preceded physics, just like math does.
It is not an analogy.

So who or what in your view made the Universe ?
and why ?

originally posted by: rom12345
a reply to: andy06shake
Let there be light.

Yes, let there be light. Nevermind that the narrative states there was no celestial illumination of any kind until the third day.

a reply to: TzarChasm
Light does not experience time.

Before the emanation of matter and light, there where other things going on to make it possible

a reply to: rom12345

I think you are missing the salient point mate.

If in the beginning there was only the word, not light, what did this word propogate throught?

Mathematics is an invented logicl exercise, with no existence outside mankinds conscious thought.

Its a language of abstract relationships, based on patterns discerned by our minds, built to extract patterns so as to invent useful but artificial order from chaos.

originally posted by: rom12345
a reply to: TzarChasm
Light does not experience time.

Is that why we measure the cosmos in lightyears? Hmmm.

a reply to: rom12345

Light is a form of radiation, why would it experience anything? LoL

It certainly interacts with the rest of the universe(space-time).

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: rom12345

Light is a form of radiation, why would it experience anything? LoL

It certainly interacts with the rest of the universe(space-time).

Everything is a form of radiation / emanation.
E = mc2

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: rom12345

I think you are missing the salient point mate.

If in the beginning there was only the word, not light, what did this word propogate throught?

Mathematics is an invented logicl exercise, with no existence outside mankinds conscious thought.

Its a language of abstract relationships, based on patterns discerned by our minds, built to extract patterns so as to invent useful but artificial order from chaos.

Wrong. You are thinking of language, which translates a physical property into an abstract expression. The concept of 1 vs 0 is very literal. Something or nothing. The numbers are a symbol, this doesn't mean your bank account is expressionist art.

a reply to: TzarChasm

The concept of 1 vs 0 is very binary.

On/off type scenario.

Does God speak boolean Algebra?

Mathematics is indeed a language, and a systematic means of communicating abstract codes and logical ideas with precision and unambiguity.

a reply to: rom12345

Maybe there is really only one photon just charging around the universe really really fast?

Radiation is energy given off by matter in the form of rays or high-speed particles.

It travels from its source in the form of energy waves or energized particles.

There are different forms of radiation and they have different properties.

What you call "light" is only a very small part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: TzarChasm

The concept of 1 vs 0 is very binary.

On/off type scenario.

Does God speak boolean Algebra?

Mathematics is indeed a language, and a systematic means of communicating abstract codes and logical ideas with precision and unambiguity.

Math is communication of logical thought, which processes hard fact, to inquiring minds that haven't observed that hard fact but can study the language to derive fact from abstract expression. You can translate those symbols to form a statement which can then be tested and verified. That's a far cry from an Escher painting which is essentially what most esoteric text amounts to.

a reply to: TzarChasm

Escher's paintings and woodcuts are mathematically inspired are they not?

Math is a universal language of sorts, but a language nonetheless.

All languages follow mathematical principles, with values,
variables, functions and expressions.

Take the musical scale for instance, something else we created to serve a purpose.

a reply to: dragonridr

Mathematics, material science, is indispensable to the intelligent discussion of the material aspects of the universe, but such knowledge is not necessarily a part of the higher realization of truth or of the personal appreciation of spiritual realities. Not only in the realms of life but even in the world of physical energy, the sum of two or more things is very often something more than, or something different from, the predictable additive consequences of such unions. The entire science of mathematics, the whole domain of philosophy, the highest physics or chemistry, could not predict or know that the union of two gaseous hydrogen atoms with one gaseous oxygen atom would result in a new and qualitatively superadditive substance—liquid water. The understanding knowledge of this one physiochemical phenomenon should have prevented the development of materialistic philosophy and mechanistic cosmology.

Technical analysis does not reveal what a person or a thing can do. For example: Water is used effectively to extinguish fire. That water will put out fire is a fact of everyday experience, but no analysis of water could ever be made to disclose such a property. Analysis determines that water is composed of hydrogen and oxygen; a further study of these elements discloses that oxygen is the real supporter of combustion and that hydrogen will itself freely burn.

Science is engaged in the agelong contest between truth and error while it fights for deliverance from the bondage of abstraction, the slavery of mathematics, and the relative blindness of mechanistic materialism.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

Hawthorn fly (is an example of evolution)

Hawthorn flies "evolving" into an apple fly is one of your example of evolution^? It's the same exact fly. They didn't even change it's species name. Just because it eats something different doesn't mean it evolved. The rest of your examples are also an organism staying as the same organism:

Tennessee cave salamanders

They're still salamanders...

Greenish Warbler

Warblers becoming warblers. That's not evolution.

Larus gulls

They're still gulls.

Drosophila

Which remained Drosophila (fruit fly)

Finches

Which remained finches.


There are no examples of organisms evolving into another distinctly different organisms. Fruit flies remain fruit flies, gulls remain gulls, salamanders remain salamanders. Unless you can find an actual example of a population of organisms changing into something else, then you cannot attribute the diversity of species to evolutionary theory. Seriously man, it's one of the biggest lie we have been told growing up and there's no substantial evidence to show it is remotely possible.

a reply to: cooperton


More word salad with no context.

SPECIATION means that when one species diverges it DOES NOT mate with the original species. Why? Because the genetic profile has changed. When the genetic profile changes and one species' alleles are inheritable and DIFFERENT than the original, that is the evolutionary process at work. The lines of demarcation are defined by the genes, not necessarily how they appear.
If you read that article thoroughly (which you would NEVER do), that's exactly what it describes.
Dinosaurs evolved into birds over millions of years. The evidence has been published and reviewed multiple times.
Does a dinosaur look like a bird? No. Is a dinosaur a bird? No. Is a bird a dinosaur? No.
Millions of generations diverged which ultimately led to birds.

It's the same old crap with you. Cut, paste, cut, paste, cut, paste the same garbage from Ken Ham and his ilk.

You lost the war a long time ago. You're dead but you can't lay down.