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Did George Floyd kill...himself? Lawyer files to dismiss charges

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posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:32 PM
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a reply to: RickyD

Its' not my quote, like i said its Mr Hugo's.


And the only place your nation would resemble if you purge the "nonliberal s#*! holes" as you put it, is Nazi Germany im afraid.

And i don't think anyone wants that bar Donald Trump and his ilk.

Nothing cute about it at all really.



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posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:35 PM
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How long was it from the time they think he swallowed the Fentynol and when he stopped breathing? If it matches up with about how long it takes that drug to kick in when taken orally, then...



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: Arizonaguy

I'm not suggesting without laws, society would not break down.

Canny have one law for some and another for the rest all the same.

Society breaks down in that direction also.

Or at least the notion of justice sure does.

Then again she is blind for a reason, and it's certainly not the one that's offered.
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posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: dug88
a reply to: DBCowboy

And I have to say, I still find Floyd's death far less brutal than what the RCMP did to Robert Dziekański at the airport here...I mean in that case a cop knee stomped an old man's spine until he died...


Yes. That was absolutely horrific. Public and witnessed yet nothing came of it. Poor man was simply exhausted, frustrated, lacking english language skills. I have never trusted the system but that sent my paranoia to a whole new level. George Floyd was involved in some underhanded stuff and it went sideways whether by his own doing or the cops. I don't wish death by cop on anyone though.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:49 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake
You do realize conservatives and more importantly middle of the road folks arent authoritarian. I bet if an honest survey was done people would say they'd like less gov intrusion in their lives. If we fix our broken education system and helped people do better for tjemselves I bet most wouldn't want the assistance anymore either.

I have heard more Nazi esque stuff from the dems than I have anywhere else so your statement makes no sense to me...maybe you can show me the Nazis and why you think they are?



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:50 PM
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A couple of things here to unpack:

I have a lot of friends that are law enforcement, and none of them, let me repeat that, none of them said that they way George Floyd was taken down should have happened. There are better and more successful ways of taking a person down especially with four officers on the scene. There was no need to place a knee on a persons neck.

Next thing, and I think this is a very important one;
If this information get out to the public at large then it should be the responsibility of the media to present it to their viewers. Everyone involved with covering this up needs to be charged on Federal charges of inciting riots and endangering peoples lives, and not to mention being complacent in the deaths that occurred during these riots.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

The laws for you not for me apply to the rich and powerful of our country and lately even more so for the left side of our political spectrum...are you saying that's a bad thing?



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: matafuchs

So the police officer says he saw him swallow something, and the officer's reaction was to kneel on his neck for more than eight minutes?

Even if there was no intention to kill, or it was not the cause of death, it was unnecessary brutality.

The police officer did something criminal. On camera.

He might not have killed Floyd, or he might, but the officer's actions were inexcusable and not those one should see in someone who is supposed to be upholding the law.


Great

Let’s destroy our own neighbourhoods and burn children’s hospitals to the ground

bLack lives matter


No, the appropriate action would be to prosecute the officer in such a way that those who feel they have been marginalized in the past can see that such abuses are dealt with justly and are no longer condoned or ignored.

Your assumption that I would support the rioters is representative of the attitude attempting to whitewash an individual's criminal actions, on a racial basis.


You would make a fine politician .

but what if the entire foundation of the marginalization is based on an over all altered version of the truth aka a lie.




It's a bit hard to deny the similar abuses of authoritative position where there is a corpse left as evidence.

Oh and the vast ethnic disparity in the incarceration statistics.

U.S. incarceration rates by race and ethnicity, 2010 - Prison Policy Initiative



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:57 PM
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a reply to: RickyD

Well if/when Trump refuses to leave the White house, if he losses via going on about non-existent voter fraud.

Nevermind bumping his gums about "Fine People on both sides" in defense of White-Nationalist Protesters.

Don't tick or at least circle the Nazi box I'm not sure what does.

Point is you canny go removing people from society just because you don't like the way they vote, democrat or republican.

Or black bagging them off the streets for that matter for protesting.
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posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:59 PM
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a reply to: KansasGirl

you have to also consider adrenaline kicking in and speeding up his metabolism, on top of meth and fentanyl.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 10:02 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Well considering the last few mail in campaigns just locally were sending ballots to pets and dead folks...what do you expect will happen. I dont think he will refuse to leave though...feel free to remind me later if he does I will admit I was wrong. Until then though I won't pretend to know the future.

There were fine people counter protesting at that rally...regular old americans who appreciate the history of their state. There are a ton of civil war buffs around VA. That statement doesn't make him a Nazi. But speaking of authoritarians how bout kamela saying she supports gun confiscation...does it get more authoritarian? Or how bout forcing americans into a socialist broken unfair health system?



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 10:15 PM
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a reply to: RickyD

Fine people indeed.

What an excuse.


Next, you will be telling us they were there for a Dukes of Hazzard convention.


As to gun confiscation, well do you really require more guns than people in your nation?

Coz if the answer to that is anything other than "No" i have got to ponder why?

Anyhoo near half 4 in the morning this side of the pond, need to catch some Zzzzzs.

Have a good evening, or what remains of it.
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posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 10:25 PM
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a reply to: andy06shake

Yes actually there is a big historical culture about the civil war and the battles and generals and all of it. Lots of people go collecting anything they can still find in the ground from it. They write about it and read about it. History buffs be like that man...

The answer is sure who cares...we are free Americans and that means we can. If you want to collect guns you are free to do so...and support a ton of jobs making your ammo too while your at it. Last time they tried to take americans guns we had a revolution...

Here its not too late yet so I will have a good night thanks! Hope yours wasn't too bad either.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 10:40 PM
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Just skimmed the first page so not sure if this was posted.

I found 2 milligrams can kill a person

His toxicology report says he had 11 ng/mL

That's nanograms per millimeters

That means he had 0.000011 milligrams per millimeters.

So this sounds like he had trace amounts, probably just in whatever meth he was using.


VI. Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at 9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive

B. Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,
isopropanol, or acetone

C. Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,
amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite

D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL


Actually all the drugs in his system are ng/mL so it's probably what's left over in his system from the last time he used, which could have been hours or the night before. That's my guess with levels at ng/mL

www.hennepin.us...&ved=2ahU KEwjclPiV7qjrAhXXJTQIHQQjDygQFjABegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1VIYOuBSKfMMg9-nUOCcGq

www.drugs.com...

www.convertunits.com...
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posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 10:52 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: matafuchs

So the police officer says he saw him swallow something, and the officer's reaction was to kneel on his neck for more than eight minutes?

Even if there was no intention to kill, or it was not the cause of death, it was unnecessary brutality.

The police officer did something criminal. On camera.

He might not have killed Floyd, or he might, but the officer's actions were inexcusable and not those one should see in someone who is supposed to be upholding the law.


Great

Let’s destroy our own neighbourhoods and burn children’s hospitals to the ground

bLack lives matter


No, the appropriate action would be to prosecute the officer in such a way that those who feel they have been marginalized in the past can see that such abuses are dealt with justly and are no longer condoned or ignored.

Your assumption that I would support the rioters is representative of the attitude attempting to whitewash an individual's criminal actions, on a racial basis.


You would make a fine politician .

but what if the entire foundation of the marginalization is based on an over all altered version of the truth aka a lie.




It's a bit hard to deny the similar abuses of authoritative position where there is a corpse left as evidence.

Oh and the vast ethnic disparity in the incarceration statistics.

U.S. incarceration rates by race and ethnicity, 2010 - Prison Policy Initiative


A corpse yes but of what making ? Drug over dose ? Asphyxiation ? a combination of both ?

Incarceration statistics ? talk about coming out of ' Left ' field but if we are going to go there allow me my objective view of incarceration statistics .

You say ethnic disparity ...I say it has more to do with Geographical location and economic stance , meaning it has less to do with your skin color and more to do with where you grow up and where you fall on the financial ladder.

White , black, Hispanic, asian, arabic, pacific islander, native american it matters not your ethnicity . What matters is if you grow up in a bad neighborhood in a poor house hold you are far more likely to commit crimes and end up in prison and or be targeted by the police.




posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: DBCowboy

Discussing things that need to be discussed is....awkward?

The truth is often stranger than fiction.

And just as often, harder to stomach.

I am not making light of the situation, just sharing my thoughts.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 11:30 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

This isn’t going to be good.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 11:40 PM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: asabuvsobelow

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: matafuchs

So the police officer says he saw him swallow something, and the officer's reaction was to kneel on his neck for more than eight minutes?

Even if there was no intention to kill, or it was not the cause of death, it was unnecessary brutality.

The police officer did something criminal. On camera.

He might not have killed Floyd, or he might, but the officer's actions were inexcusable and not those one should see in someone who is supposed to be upholding the law.


Great

Let’s destroy our own neighbourhoods and burn children’s hospitals to the ground

bLack lives matter


No, the appropriate action would be to prosecute the officer in such a way that those who feel they have been marginalized in the past can see that such abuses are dealt with justly and are no longer condoned or ignored.

Your assumption that I would support the rioters is representative of the attitude attempting to whitewash an individual's criminal actions, on a racial basis.


You would make a fine politician .

but what if the entire foundation of the marginalization is based on an over all altered version of the truth aka a lie.




It's a bit hard to deny the similar abuses of authoritative position where there is a corpse left as evidence.

Oh and the vast ethnic disparity in the incarceration statistics.

U.S. incarceration rates by race and ethnicity, 2010 - Prison Policy Initiative


Ethnic disparity?

What about sexual disparity?
More men are in prison than women

Which means, by YOUR logic, the police and the justice system are sexist

Or do you think maybe, just maybe, men commit more crime than women do?

I think there is a reason for the racial disparity. A very very obvious one. And it sure ain’t sYsTeMiC rAcISm



posted on Aug, 20 2020 @ 01:09 AM
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originally posted by: game over man
Just skimmed the first page so not sure if this was posted.

I found 2 milligrams can kill a person

His toxicology report says he had 11 ng/mL

That's nanograms per millimeters

That means he had 0.000011 milligrams per millimeters.

So this sounds like he had trace amounts, probably just in whatever meth he was using.


VI. Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at 9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL
2. Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL
3. 4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL
4. Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL
5. 11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL;
Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL
6. Cotinine positive
7. Caffeine positive

B. Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol,
isopropanol, or acetone

C. Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids,
amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite

D. Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL


Actually all the drugs in his system are ng/mL so it's probably what's left over in his system from the last time he used, which could have been hours or the night before. That's my guess with levels at ng/mL

www.hennepin.us...&ved=2ahU KEwjclPiV7qjrAhXXJTQIHQQjDygQFjABegQIBRAB&usg=AOvVaw1VIYOuBSKfMMg9-nUOCcGq

www.drugs.com...

www.convertunits.com...


Holy #, one of the most stupid post i've seen in a long time, can't do basic math, mix & matches between LD50 (mg/kg) & ng/mL without any conversion between the two very different measurements.

First of mL is not "millimeters" like you say, millimeter is a distance measurement, drug level is measured in mL which is MILLILITERS....

So saying "That means he had 0.000011 milligrams per millimeters", you basically comparing 2 different units, milligrams which is a weight unit with millimeters which is a distance unit.........come on dude......

2mg/kg is the LD50 estimated dose of an average person, thats the TOTAL dose while the measurement (ng/mL) is amount of drug per milliliter of blood, yet you claim George only had trace amounts of drugs in his system....and therefor, because you are stupid & can't do basic math you come to this conclusion:

"That means he had 0.000011 milligrams per millimeters.....trace amounts"

NO, it doesn't, he had 11 ng/mL, how many mL of blood do you think an adult male has? So the correct math is not to divide anything, you have to MULTIPLY 11ng/mL by the amount of blood an adult has......

Also, according to CDC: www.cdc.gov...

"Serum samples from the hospitalized patients analyzed at UCSF demonstrated fentanyl levels of 0.5–9.5 ng/mL (Table 2) (therapeutic range for analgesia = 0.6–3.0 ng/mL) (4); postmortem levels in the first two patients who died were 11 ng/mL (patient E) and 13 ng/mL (patient I)."


So CDC have studied patient with the very same 11 ng/mL fentanyl levels that George found to have in his system, and guess what, those patient overdoes & died according to that post mortem study.....



"Actually all the drugs in his system are ng/mL so it's probably what's left over in his system from the last time he used, which could have been hours or the night before. That's my guess with levels at ng/mL"

Let me laugh at that statement & your statement that his drug levels where "trace amounts" & so low that it must have been left over since his last drug used, meanwhile, in the real world, people have died (refer to the CDC study) have overdosed & died with the level of fentanyl that George had in his body, combine that with all the other drugs he had in his system & it was a miracle he was alive & walking even before the police showed up.....
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posted on Aug, 20 2020 @ 08:38 AM
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I suspected this from the start.


I will say this.


The guy probably did have enough drugs actively in his system to kill a normal, non drug addicted, oversize person but you also have to take in to consideration his tolerance. He might not have died had police not been involved but his vitals could have worn down while on the drugs AND the altercation with the police. If his heart is already blowing down 0-60 in seconds, apply a little pressure to that, say the stress of dealing with being arrested, in a bad situation at the worst possible time for your body to resist all of that adrenaline that's pumping through his veins...

Like say... Probably a bad idea for someone who just snorted an 8-ball to run a 5k at full sprint right after.

Cause and effect... I'm still 100% on board with the knee having zero to do with his death.




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