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Did George Floyd kill...himself? Lawyer files to dismiss charges

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posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: AIC4ME

Which would lead to a manslaughter charge for Chauvin. I have already agreed to that. This was a tragedy but George Floyd was not murdered.




posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: game over man

Why did you bring Republicans into this?


Good point, so what political party is Blue Lives Matter?

Anyhow, I don't expect you to answer what political party represents Blue Lives, so George Floyd's behavior in the newly released video is someone who is overdosing and is minutes away from dieing on his own?

What happened to the resisting arrest argument? You saw the video, George Floyd was the one who wanted to lay down on the ground.

Being a cop is so hard, isn't it?



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

I completely agree. But now does that mean all charges will get dropped since they charged him with 1st degree murder? I thought I read that they had to charge him correctly or they wouldn't be able to get a conviction. I guess my question is, can they lower charges to manslaughter? Or will he walk if they find him not guilty or dismiss the first degree murder charge?



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:55 PM
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Most likely, his drug abuse and general physical condition.

However, the actions those officers took was still inappropriate. No good reason to keep him pinned down when you know there's a medical emergency going on. Cuff em, move them to the safety of your AC'd car and get them out of harms way.

Occluding the air way is deadly force. With a medical emergency this is doubly true. To put it another way, if somebody was cutting off my o2 supply my first instinct would be to use deadly force to stop them. It is not reasonable when there was other methods available to gain compliance

I don't doubt this guy was a crap burger without fries - he was a druggie, passing counterfeit money etc. But he didn't deserve to be snuffed out either

I think the involuntary manslaughter was appropriate - maybe even murder 3



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 02:57 PM
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a reply to: AIC4ME

They can give the jury an option to convict on the lesser count, but this is likely why manslaughter AND murder charges were filed.

A jury can basically do whatever it wants to do in terms of lesser included offenses, especially if they feel the evidence supporting a murder charge doesn't rise to the level of beyond a reasonable doubt



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: AIC4ME
a reply to: matafuchs

I completely agree. But now does that mean all charges will get dropped since they charged him with 1st degree murder? I thought I read that they had to charge him correctly or they wouldn't be able to get a conviction. I guess my question is, can they lower charges to manslaughter? Or will he walk if they find him not guilty or dismiss the first degree murder charge?

Not 1st degree, it's 2nd, but yes, I think he's been overcharged, he is surely guilty of something, manslaughter probably.

Sometimes a prosecutor will overcharge on purpose, to give a cop a soft pass, in this case, it's an overzealous prosecutor.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: AIC4ME

They can give the jury an option to convict on the lesser count, but this is likely why manslaughter AND murder charges were filed.

A jury can basically do whatever it wants to do in terms of lesser included offenses, especially if they feel the evidence supporting a murder charge doesn't rise to the level of beyond a reasonable doubt

So, they can still convict on the lesser charge?



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Thank you for clarifying, I thought it was 1st degree for some reason. I haven't been following it as well as I should have. I didn't know they charged with manslaughter as well. That makes sense. Thanks again.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: game over man

Do you really think all cops are Republicans? LOL



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 03:42 PM
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Right cause I compared him to Harambe...Right...why not say an Elephant if it was such a large dose?

Probably wouldn't want him associated the Republican party so stick with the racist apologist view...
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posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 04:09 PM
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a reply to: game over man

All the time?

13 in 2019.

www.fbi.gov...

More officers killed in the line of duty than unarmed African Americans killed by police last year.

How wrong can one post be? This is a great example.
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posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: vonclod

Oh yeah, they could be unsure whether he is guilty of the murder charge but totally certain on the manslaughter and convict on that alone

Just my opinion but the second degree murder is too much, I could see the third degree... but manslaughter will (just my guess) be the one that sticks

I don't see a jury acquitting on all the charges, but it is tough to see one convicting on all of them too



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 04:19 PM
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No problem buddy

Well have to see what happens but the composition of this jury will probably determine a lot

Ballpark here, but I believe there would be enough evidence under my own state's law to get a guilty verdict for the manslaughter..whether or not there is enough mitigating factors to convince a jury not to convict will be another thing all together

The drugs in Floyd's system will help Chauvin & co. The number of officers present (including one standing by idly) will hurt them. The fact the video shows the incident could be good or bad, but I suspect very bad and here's why. When I first watched the video and heard the crowd yelling at the officers to remove their knee, I got the gut feeling Chauvin only held the knee there longer to spite the crowd. IF the jury feels this same way, this will turn out very bad for Chauvin



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: Bloodworth

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: matafuchs

Well.

This is awkward.

Cop still should not have knelt on his neck though.

It may very well have "contributed" to his death.



Floyd was talking and squirming while the cop knelt on his neck. To a cop that guy usually has some fight left in him.



Up to a point. There were a few minutes towards the end where he was not fighting anymore. I think at that point I'd have let up the pressure.


I agree, but how many times have a violent criminal pretended to be passed out only to attack?

These cops are on edge and after a broken nose or having to take aids prevention meds because someone bit you?
Look at the guy shot at Wendy's a few months ago

Completely respectful to police and then out of no where he attacks.

Very common


That's why I am hesitant to rush to judgement in these cases. Cops hear false claims of "I can't breathe" and suspects playing dead all the time. I understand that. I'm not saying let him go the second he stops resisting.


Well said



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 04:49 PM
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At best you will get man slaughter chargers out of this case.....No way in the world you are going to get first degree or 2nd degree murder charges once the lawyers pick apart piece by piece the evidence and the drugs that where in George Floyd's system,especially against police.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: abeverage

Why does Harambe make you think of black people? You, and that other tool are the racist ones here. I was saying that because of accidental death when it was not needed...like Floyd.



posted on Aug, 21 2020 @ 05:54 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Chauvin deserves manslaughter. He was negligent. However, he did not murder him.



posted on Aug, 22 2020 @ 07:40 AM
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a reply to: grey580

“Do I feel that the police don’t honor human life?”

1st- You must be a real hero amongst those with whom you engage and debate. Respectfully- don’t ever pull that crap on me.

2nd- expecting there to be zero deaths once in custody is impossible in a country of 320m. Crap happens. Are there superheroes in your universe?



posted on Aug, 22 2020 @ 07:46 AM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: AIC4ME

I got the gut feeling Chauvin only held the knee there longer to spite the crowd. IF the jury feels this same way, this will turn out very bad for Chauvin


Very good human point, but bad legal one (sorry!). Juries follow instructions, and when they do this in court, they will be told to look at the letter of the law.
Also- once they show in court that it is physically impossible to kill someone by sitting on them, that the drugs he never admitted to choking down will be all that is needed to acquit those officers.



posted on Aug, 22 2020 @ 07:51 AM
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People suck. Especially socialists, SJWs, and my kids.




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