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Interstellar Object Oumuamua Isn't What We Thought It Was , the Mystery Continues

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posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 06:55 PM
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a reply to: Macenroe82

Certainly manage to attain a superior data transfer/baud rate back to Earth via a line of interlinked cube sats, but no live stream per-say, as at that sort of distance, it takes a few hours for the signal to make it back home.
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posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: gortex

It actually accelerated and changed course. And no, gravity was not the cause!

www.autoevolution.com...

The “official” response, a week after the discovery announcement, mind you, is “out gassing” as the reason. I mean, “really”!!??!!! Swamp gas!!! AGAIN!!!!?????!!

This is a strange one. The appeal to H2 ice is also a strange call (Occam was spotted sharpening his blade).

My thought is that it is the same guy claiming that it was a probe all along. You know, good ol’ confirmation bias!

If not, then let the games begin!



After all, this is just the tip of the iceberg!!

[Thank you! Thank you! You are a wonderful audience!!]




posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 09:45 PM
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I never bought their bull#hit explanation as soon as they settled on said explanation as if it were fact. Fact is, we will never know.



posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 09:56 PM
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Possibly a different race of Aliens, detected all the aliens here and left.

Or maybe it's a dormant space craft that has an incredibly odd orbit?

When it sped up, did it seem at the "right time?" Or random?



posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 10:32 PM
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"Isn't What We Thought It Was"

Way to completely misrepresent what the article you linked says. Even the title of the article you linked doesn't say that, that title is:

"Scientists determine 'Oumuamua isn't made from molecular hydrogen ice after all"

There are thousands of scientists, and TWO of them Darryl Seligman, and Gregory Laughlin proposed the H2 ice idea in a single paper. There are many other scientists, and many other papers, so I don't know how you get a collective "we thought it was" what Seligman and Laughlin proposed.

Here's another paper saying the outgassing could have come from water ice, instead of molecular hydrogen ice:

Tidal fragmentation as the origin of 1I/2017 U1 ('Oumuamua)

Another possibility suggested in this paper is that an inert surface layer could have been thermally fractured after entering our solar system, explaining why outgassing may not have been observed initially and if this was the case it's less than certain that the assumptions in the paper you cited would even apply, since they appear to assume that the H2 would be free to sublimate, not that it could be protected by an inert surface layer.

New Insights into Interstellar Object 1I/2017 U1 (`Oumuamua) from SOHO/STEREO Nondetections


Assuming it behaved like a typical solar-system comet this would correspond to a total mass of ≲20±2 kg, and a water production rate of ≲(6.1±0.5)×1025 s−1 at heliocentric distance rH=0.375 au. If scaled to post-discovery rH, the water production rate would be smaller than any of the previously reported upper limits by at least an order of magnitude. To exhibit the reported nongravitational motion with our default assumptions requires a nucleus bulk density ≲40 kg m−3; higher bulk densities are possible for other assumptions. Alternatively, we show that thermal fracturing could have plausibly removed an inert surface layer between these observations and discovery, thus initiating activity after `Oumuamua left the field of view of STEREO.

Note again the authors of that paper are not talking about H2 ice, they are talking about water ice. So the new paper about H2 Ice is just criticizing the one paper by Seligman & Laughlin, not all these other papers with other ideas.

I think the "all H2 Ice" idea is overly simplistic and I doubt the idea had that much popularity so I don't know why you would say that's what "we thought that's what it was" when your article doesn't say "we" thought that.

Here's yet another paper not proposing H2 ice but rather a fractal dust aggregate:

The interstellar object 'Oumuamua as a fractal dust aggregate

Here's a paper with a section titled "A Critical Review of Current Theories" which reviews multiple theories for both natural and alien tech origin, though it concludes a natural explanation is completely possible:

The Natural History of 'Oumuamua

The faintness of 'Oumuamua, together with the limited time window within which observations were possible, constrained the information available on its dynamics and physical state. Here we review our knowledge and find that in all cases the observations are consistent with a purely natural origin for 'Oumuamua. We discuss how the observed characteristics of 'Oumuamua are explained by our extensive knowledge of natural minor bodies in our Solar System and our current knowledge of the evolution of planetary systems. We highlight several areas requiring further investigation.



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posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 10:38 PM
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It was probably a Zentraedi scout ship. Look it up the shape and size fits.

Either way it still is a reason why we need better resources for space exploration.



posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 11:24 PM
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Some day, in the (probably distant at this rate) future when we're cruising around in our own ships in other systems, we'll do our damnedest to track Oumuamua down. And I can just imagine it when we do, it's not going be what we were hoping for.


My bet is on a giant drifting mass of space poo.


Because that WOULD be our luck, to obsess over a mysterious, imagination capturing object that eventually turns out to be the space equivalent of dumping the jet's toilet tanks over the ocean.

Either that, or one BIG space animal poop. I prefer the above over this one, lol.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 06:49 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
a reply to: gortex




So we know what it wasn't but still don't know what is was , not sayin it's Aliens but

How uncivilised of them not to pop by for a cup o' tea and a chat, eh?


If I swung by this hood I'd lock my doors and roll up my windows.


I dunno, if you took America out of this hood, it wouldnt be too bad a place



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 07:07 AM
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a reply to: Nyiah

So a sub-plot from an interstellar reboot of Joe Dirt?



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: St Udio
perhaps the oddly shaped Oumuamua is just a 1/2 km long portion of a 'Lava Tube' still intact from a exploded Alien Planetoid/ Moon.... somewhere in Lost Time-Space


How dare you take all the fun out of my doom porn. 😁



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 08:43 AM
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Doom porn theory:

Officials know aliens have visited and plan on wiping us out with a nasty virus, thus the pandemic practice.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 09:17 AM
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You start wonder from the stories of monolithic structures seen on the moon as seen on the moons of Mars or elsewhere that maybe Oumuamua could be something identical in nature. When finding a suitable planet or moon it drops itself on a planet or moon like a beacon or marker?



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 10:39 AM
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a reply to: SecretKnowledge

Nice political trolling.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 10:44 AM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur

I go by the addage, "It's never aliens until it is." Seems a less disappointing way to approach the question of alien life with respect to other phenomena.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 10:52 AM
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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: SeaWorthy

If Oumuamua was an Extraterrestrial object I think a probe would fit the bill , it's what we would do.


That's assuming Aliens think and act as humans do and aren't well, alien in every way.

We base everything we think about 'up' there, on how we do things 'down' here. Kind of like Independence Day style movies, the aliens always invade and steal our resources, because that's what humans would do, not necessarily what aliens would do.

If they're advanced enough for galactic travel, they might be advanced enough to ignore us as just another parasite filled mud ball they've seen a million times before.
Then again, maybe like many human nations, aliens don't care about anything outside of their own little bubbles.

Maybe we just don't have anything they need, I mean I don't stop at every gas station for snacks when I drive across the country. Maybe they just need to get where they're going and the Solar System was just in their path and they were just passing through to their real goal.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: AtomicKangaroo
originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: SeaWorthy

... I mean I don't stop at every gas station for snacks when I drive across the country. Maybe they just need to get where they're going and the Solar System was just in their path and they were just passing through to their real goal.


 


a 'probe' is unlikely of an advanced technology lifeform... 'they' would have Stargates & Wormholes at their command...

just debris or junk is my guess... but odd enough to not travel in the 'normal' way of Comets or Asteroids


its been so long ago i forgot the area where It came from--- but IT went screaming away towards the constellation Pegasus (by chance encounter with gravity object ~our Star SOL~)

Fate-Destiny-absolutely nothing associated with that Foreign Traveler object is at play... the Milky Way Galaxy is become a Pin-Ball Game platform
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posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 11:56 AM
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That's assuming Aliens think and act as humans do and aren't well, alien in every way.

I assume that if they have reached a level where they can send their technology to other Star systems they have probably followed a similar path to our own , discoveries leading to development leading to progression.

I'm sure some Aliens will be totally alien to us but believe some are likely not that different from us , all carbon based life is made of the same Star stuff and I guess DNA based life forms all contain a similar BIOS which contains within it the drive to explore and expand.

Until we meet them we will never know for sure.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: St Udio
unlikely



originally posted by: gortex
assume.


And those are the main words in such matters.


originally posted by: gortex
Until we meet them we will never know for sure.


This I totally agree with. It's all just guessing until we actually know unfortunately. Humans could just be unique in the way we're lifeforms. There may be other life out there, or maybe not, but if so there may be nothing else like us out there.

I personally hope if they were smart enough to get here, they'd be nothing like us. For one, they at least made an effort to actually get out there. Something not many humans in the grand scheme of things seem to care for.

And well, like my independence day reference, if Aliens were like humans, no matter how advanced, they'd be here for selfish reasons more than likely and have a good chance of being hostile, again if we use humans as the rule of thumb. Majority of humans tend to have adverse reactions to things that are different to them, that aren't on their team.

Would hate to see what an civilization more technologically advanced than ours, but with our mindsets 'pox blankets' would be like.


Yep, I'd hope Aliens would be better than us, and for their own sakes, as much as I'd like to meet them, smart enough to stay away until we're a lot more enlightened. Like to a point where there is no risk of someone starting an intergalactic war because ALiens are demons who conflict with their religious ideologies etc.

Think we're still 1 or 2 thousand years away from that, if ever.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 01:22 PM
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if Aliens were like humans, no matter how advanced, they'd be here for selfish reasons more than likely and have a good chance of being hostile, again if we use humans as the rule of thumb.

Agreed , I think it's naive of us to think an ET species would have our best interests at heart should they come calling , I also think it was a mistake to send out personal information about our species on the Voyager probes , granted it would be unlikely they'd be found but if one of them was ... we gave them a cook book.
We should be as quiet until we have the ability to defend ourselves but the replacement of digital over radio will help us go dark again.



posted on Aug, 19 2020 @ 06:06 PM
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I do like the giant turd theory.

Hmmmm, Might read RAMA again.




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