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The Most Unsettling UFO Theory?

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posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 05:02 PM
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While waiting for potential answers from the Pentagon's UAP Task Force (link) regarding the true nature of UFOs, I thought it might be worth having a look at a rather thought-provoking video that's just recently been published on a YouTube channel called "It's [redacted]". The clip offers an alternative perspective on the topic and had me hooked to the screen from start to end, but have a look for yourself:

NOTE: Some spoilers will be coming up if you read on!

In summary, I really enjoyed this brief overview of how the phenomenon may in some way be linked to consciousness and human evolution throughout the centuries. It may further be a good explanation for why we perceive UFOs differently in various time periods throughout history. Jacques Vallée's "Control System" hypothesis is also briefly presented, which, to some extent, could account for the variations we find in UFO sightings all over the world.


Jacques Vallee and the UFO Control System Hypothesis

"When I speak of a control system for planet earth, I do not want my words to be misunderstood: I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons. I do not propose to redefine God. What I do mean is that mythology rules at a level of our social reality over which normal political and intellectual action has no power."


On the other hand, I think the phenomenon has sufficiently demonstrated that it can also manifest itself in a "nuts and bolts" fashion, meaning that actual hardware seems to be involved in many cases. So maybe there are different elements at play here, meaning that our (collective and individual) consciousness and a certain level of interaction with an observer's mind ("seeing what makes sense to you") could indeed play a role in this context as well? I'm not sure how both of these aspects, i.e. consciousness versus material manifestation, could go hand in hand. It almost sounds anachronistic, but who knows.

As long as we do not have any clear answers, I guess this theory needs to be on our list of possible explanations just like all others, such as the ET hypothesis or socio-psychological theories as well as those related to other dimensions and parallel universes.

It would be really interesting to hear some ATS opinions about this theory (and the other potential explanations that are out there) and how, if at all, there could be some common ground.


P.S.: I usually try to avoid posting anything that could come across as promoting TTSA or related personalities (since they are mentioned in this video), but I still found the clip to be quite interesting and I think a related discussion wouldn't be a bad thing.


Sources & Links:
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1. YouTube Video: The Most Unsettling U.F.O. Theory?
2. Press Release: Establishment of UAP Task Force
3. ATS Thread: Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System
4. Jacques Vallee and the UFO Control System Hypothesis
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posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 05:38 PM
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Ima watch it. But I think being left to our devices (galaxial quarantine) vs. being harvested (with govt knowledge) are equally bleak prospects.

Both check out. But. We are such a beautiful, violent, creative species, it’s us that should be awed and simultaneously horrified by our feats of “humankind”



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 05:53 PM
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I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons.


I think it has to do with the coming war between Angels and Fallen Angels.



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 05:59 PM
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a reply to: jeep3r

I have always thought that Jacques Vallee may be on to something.

It could be a control system of advanced entity's or even humans from the future.

Keeping us in our place and using us somehow?

Great thread, glad to see you posting.



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 06:02 PM
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I understand that our social systems, including mythology all the way up to memes, appears to function as a kind of organism with us taking on the equivalent role of blood cells. It defines our reality and in many ways "owns" us, what we think, what we're allowed to do, etc.

That's why as far as alien invasions are concerned, it already happened. Aliens are everywhere, even challenging the old gods for the title of "Creator.". The goal was always preservation of the living concept system.
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posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 06:12 PM
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Yep, we deal with interdemensional critters.....with no tummy or insides

And they stink.....i threw that in for effect....i betcha they friggin stink like slimey spitwads



originally posted by: SeaWorthy



I do not mean that some higher order of beings has locked us inside the constraints of a space-bound jail, closely monitored by psychic entities we might call angels or demons.


I think it has to do with the coming war between Angels and Fallen Angels.



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 08:25 PM
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a reply to: jeep3r

I am pretty familiar with Vallee's work and I've read a few of his books. His work and that of John Keel are the two ufo investigators who interested me the most. Both have some overlaps and also different perspectives on things. Different from each other and most other researchers.
I wouldn't necessarily favour one or the other - I feel both have interesting insights and information. But if I had to recommend two of the most interesting UFO experts I've come across - it would be Vallee and Keel every time.

Here's a reference to Keel and a quote:
"Keel said he abandoned the ETH when his field investigations ‘disclosed an astonishing
overlap between psychic phenomena and UFOs’. In explaining this conversion, he said his
inquiries revealed that: ‘…a large part of the UFO lore is subjective and many alleged UFO
events are actually the products of a complex hallucinatory process, particularly in the
contactee and [close encounter]-type reports. The same process stimulated religious beliefs,
fairy lore, and occult systems of belief in other centuries.’xi From 1970 he developed his
theory in five books that challenged the ETH and offered an alternative, occult-based
hypothesis for UFOs and related phenomena. These were UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse
(1970), Strange Creatures from Time and Space (1970), Our Haunted Planet (1971), The
Mothman Prophecies and The Eighth Tower (both published in 1975). He also produced a
stream of syndicated articles both for mainstream media and the specialist UFO magazines
including Palmer’s Flying Saucers and the British-based Flying Saucer Review.
In his books and articles Keel ‘sought to recast UFOlogy and Fortean study as aspects of
demonology.’xii He borrowed a key concept, ‘ultra-terrestrials,’ from the writings of a
Californian occultist, N. Meade Layne, who believed the occupants of flying saucers were
shape-shifting spiritual entities from ‘the etheric realm.’xiii Whereas Layne believed the
etherians were benign, Keel’s ultra-terrestrials, like Shaver’s deros, sought to control and
manipulate humans. According to Keel, these ultra-terrestrials (or UTs) ‘cultivate belief in
various frames of references, and then…deliberately create new manifestations which support
those beliefs.’xiv Although Keel produced no explicit definition of what he meant by ‘ultraterrestrial,’ he believed UFOs (as flying saucers were described from the 1960s onwards),
were the medium by which these intelligences entered our world, writing: ‘The objects and
apparitions do not necessarily originate on another planet and may not even exist as
permanent constructions of matter…it is more likely that we see what we want to see and
interpret such visions according to our contemporary beliefs.’xv In The Eighth Tower (1975),
Keel substituted Layne’s etheric realm for what he called the ‘super-spectrum,’ and proposed
that UFOs were composed of energy from the ‘upper frequencies of the electro-magnetic
spectrum.’ According to his theory, these shape-changing objects only became visible when
they descended to the very narrow range of light that is visible to the human eye."

shura.shu.ac.uk...

The most interesting ideas in Keel's work for me - were the "impossible aircraft" type of sightings and as a tangent the ghost rocket information and then and the main point were the reports and Keel's direct experiences of the prankster aspects of UFOlogy - where it seemed someone or something was directly interacting with him, but in a manner that gave you the impression it was "messing around" or basically trying to screw with people who were trying to investigate the subject. Very unusual and interesting. In terms of root causes and explanations - well that's completely open to speculation.

Is any of it true?
Were both trying to interpret something that neither of them could properly understand and perhaps it isn't understandable by us (humans) ?
How would you perceive a form of consciousness that may be operating on a very different level to you ?
It may be like the classic analogy of a fish trying to understand the world outside of it's pool, water or lake etc. Ultimately it's highly unlikely the fish will ever really understand it - it has very limited exposure to it and under normal circumstances, the world outside of the water that a fish lives in, has very little relevance to a fish.



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: jeep3r
P.S.: I usually try to avoid posting anything that could come across as promoting TTSA or related personalities (since they are mentioned in this video), but I still found the clip to be quite interesting and I think a related discussion wouldn't be a bad thing.



I had to look up what anachronistic meant.
All you need to know is that the govt. has always lied about aliens.

TTSA has a lot of govt. people happy to lie.
You will not get truth from them.

Stories of hillbillies getting anally probed after a night on the moonshine have more truth than anything TTSA says.

I have no answers. But my 2 cents is...

Until we can talk to a dolphin I can't accept we are talking with aliens.
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posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: Krahzeef_Ukhar



Until we can talk to a dolphin I can't accept we are talking with aliens.


But what if the aliens have tech that can talk to the dolphins?

They may have much better tech than we do.



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 08:58 PM
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Maybe mythology and differing cultures tells them which parallel universe they are in. Kind of like how if no one knew about B.C an A.D but had a date, which would mean your in B.C...the far B.C, like pre historic B.C where a bunch of uncivilized savages(like Jews in the N.T) never heard of or could understand the words of Christ.
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posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 08:59 PM
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a reply to: LookingAtMars

True, that's hard to argue
My response would be...

"If a lion could talk, would you understand him"



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 09:10 PM
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The woman with white hair sounds like some alien missionary. Missionaries are the worst, even in alien form. Unless that alien has some actual tangible proof there is a god it’s hyperbole bull craps.

Of course the earth could just be practicing religion for dummies. Some simple version of the complex truth because we are such delicate little daisies.

The only fact I know for sure is that people are seeing something. What and why? I am not privy to that info.

Im sure in some sick way the universe and universes all fold in on one another and probably are just a pin head size in some multi layered fractal that endlessly repeats

Or not who knows, Im writing this from the shower and thats all I got lol



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

TTSA has a lot of govt. people happy to lie.
You will not get truth from them.


You're probably right and adding to that: TTSA have not presented anything up to now that we haven't heard of before in ufology. But they have delivered on the entertainment part of their strategy.

Also, if they claim to have access to "meta-materials" and are going to analyze them (see Project ADAM), then how does that relate to the non-physical nature of the phenomenon (that Tom and Tim hinted at)? Or is that maybe even entirely unrelated to UFOs/UAPs?

Maybe they will provide some answers after having exploited project ADAM for another five or six episodes of "Unidentified", making a couple of bucks, before refusing to draw any final conclusions (as to the origins of the material) and leaving it all shrouded in mystery.

Alternatively, they might pretend the material was some unknown cloaking material. They could then have a similar product (which is probably already available and accomplishes a similar effect) sold to the market through their partnership with TruClear. Afterwards they might claim to have contributed greatly to the advancement of science and technology. Who knows... anything is possible, I guess.

They may all be in it for the money, after all :-)
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posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 02:46 AM
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a reply to: LookingAtMars

Thanks for chiming in, LookingAtMars. I haven't read all of his work and there are certainly other go-to members on here who are much more knowledegable regarding his theories.

I'm not sure how his view would account for the many similiarities that we also see in so many cases throughout the decades and centuries. Is it always linked to some collective consciousness (maybe triggered by some external input) that should for some reason enable us to take the next leap in our own evolution?

Or is there also a "nuts and bolts" component to it, as many believe? I think Vallée, like Hynek at the time, became frustrated with some of the inconsistencies and variations that cropped up in many UFO reports. And Vallée (being Vallée), tried to accomodate all of that within a new theory and an entirely different scientific view on the subject.

But maybe there's still something amiss here? Will we ever find out?
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posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 07:01 AM
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Good post!

I think you may be onto something. I've always thought Keel and Vallee were in the ballpark as far as their theories.



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: jeep3r

I have always thought that Jacques Vallee may be on to something.

It could be a control system of advanced entity's or even humans from the future.

Keeping us in our place and using us somehow?

Great thread, glad to see you posting.


It does ties in with all those stories about non human men and woman in black , who seem out to control witnesses to this phenomena.



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 09:56 AM
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originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: jeep3r

I have always thought that Jacques Vallee may be on to something.

It could be a control system of advanced entity's or even humans from the future.

Keeping us in our place and using us somehow?

Great thread, glad to see you posting.

Or , it could come down to nothing.
I take science for the win..
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posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: muzj03

Good comments. FWIW, the connection between UFOs and the observer was also noted by Harley Rutledge, in his work "Project Identification The First Scientific Field Study of UFO Phenomena". HIs work, although dry at times, is worth reading IMO.

Cheers



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 02:42 PM
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Also see The Guts's thread on the subject



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 04:10 PM
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Firstly, noticing the UFOs through the ages seem to look more modern as the years progress one must assume that the "aliens" will have progressed with their craft.
I don't not think that the idea of UFOs subconsciously making us see what they want us to see as with sightings with multiple witnesses seeing and reporting the same thing.
As I've said before, why must people assume (because the exotic nature and flight characteristics) with humans not recognising the advanced nature of UFOs, automatically assume they come from off this planet.
Just because we, as humans, can not explain the phenomena and can not find a "civilisation" on the Earth that could manufacture or control UFOs does not mean that they are not here.
I seriously think the governments know they exist but that's it. They don't know who, what or where and that really frightens them and also explains the disclosure angle. They haven't got anything to disclose.
I am very much in the camp of another dimension or dimensions in the same space as us, with them having the ability to travel between the dimensions. That's what frightens governments as they have totally no control over the situation.




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