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NEWS: Girl Aged Three Raped Live On The Internet

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posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by ServoHahn
Though, society didn't commit the crime, it has allowed it to happen.

I really want to disagree with this. I can't find the words because it is so very true. But, I still want to register the 'intent' to want to disagree.


After all these thousands of years what is society missing in the way od deterents to prevent this type of crime?

There has to be something, some way society could have gotten the word out that no matter what wackiness happened in one's childhood no one can do this. I don't know what the message would be- thousands have been tried and this type crime still persists.



Originally posted by mOjOm

Originally posted by JoeDoaks

Mayet and Servo are most likely right. The child is damaged for life. While we contemplate what evil this guy deserves, remember the government knew BEFORE the crime happened!

Well sure, but they're also too busy committing their own crimes or covering up old ones to be paying too close attention either. Hell, I'm kinda shocked that they caught him this fast. I mean this is just some guy online somewhere. Not like he's some Most Wanted Terrorist Leader with a Bounty on his head and all that stuff. Otherwise they'd have caught him really quick!!! Wait a second, that senario may not exactly be right either?!?!?

Yuk, yuk.
I agree.

I am still perplexed about the SS agent- it just seems to me the old 'let them commit the crime first' kra& is wrong. Makes me wonder how much of this goes on that we never know about.

'Bout the only problems I have with the thread scenario are these:
    why didn't government intervene?
    What kind of punishment could be shocking enough to get the message across to other similar perverts that the deed is not worth the punishment


I don't think death penalties work. No shock value left anymore. There was a certain 'value' to a body dangling for weeks outside the city gates.





posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 07:44 AM
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Originally posted by surfup
Some believe that children barely remember anything that has happened before five years of age.

But others, like Freud, say earlier childhood experiences get fixated and the children have it in their subconscious for the rest of their lifes.

Hopefully Freud is wrong.




First....is there anything about that child being ok. physically? Whose child was it, where did she come from? Please keep her in prayers!

Now....Let me tell you! I am a survivor of severe childhood sexual abuse....from about 4 to 10...you remember, you have problems, forever, mine went to heavy drug use, mistrust, self pain infliction.....it took a long time.... a loving family.. therapy, having my own children, and an honest trust worthy, gentle man..... without the proper help......you would be ruined for life!

I am all for the death penalty for murderers and rapists....always have been....this guy, if they put him injail, and just look the other way a bit...he'll never live out life in prison! They'll kill him.....slowly and painfully, I hope! yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[edit on 3/16/2005 by LadyV]



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:03 AM
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number 1 why was it the secret sevice and not the fbi? i thought that the secret sevice's influince was treasury and protection? why was it not the fbi will it be the cia next?
number 2 this guy realy needed to be put away. BUT why was a 5 year old child put into harms way like this? i can see an adult or to be honest even an older teenager to help out a sting. but a 5 year old child dammit the secret service agent should also be put away for putting such a young child at risk
the whole idea of law enforcement is PROTECTION. what was done is called child endangerment at the least. could the oficer not have gone first useing say an old clip of something that already occured or even asked to do it person to person so that an arrest could be affected BEFORE the child was raped for him. as far as i am concerned the agent should face the same charges of rape.
my god a child is not bait to catch someone. this aproach should never have even been considered. let alone used
where was the concern for the victom. the victom should be awarded a few million for being used without any due consideration. this is something i would have pictured the comunists or even the nazies to use not the usa
i just can't believe the total dis-regaurd of the wealfare of a minor child that was displayed



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by phreak_of_nature


Removing the offending part, the part that drove them to such sick sadistic crimes would be a constant reminder of just what on earth they did wrong.


This doesn't work! Men this sick would rape a child with something else....pin him to a wall...peal a layer of skin off at a time.....after giving him to a few men that are in prison for killing their daughters abusers....that would serve him well!


What about all that trash that was there to watch such a thing!?

[edit on 3/16/2005 by LadyV]



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by krt1967
the one thing inmates hate is child abusers. They do awfull things to those guys and gals daily.

unless of course they get put in protection like paul bernardo and carla holmoka. because of the fact they would probably die both of these noterouse kidnappers/rapests were put into extra protection. tho they still almost managed to kill bernardo
too bad they failed. as a note holmoka gets out within this year. my grandmother did some volinteer work at vanyei the first prisin she was in and was told by the other inmates she had absolutely NO remorse and since we had a trial blackout it has been heard that she was the actual killer and that because she was jelouse that the victoms recieved more attention from bernardo than she di



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:22 AM
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I want to kill this bastard. I have a 4 year old little girl and love her dearly , anyone that violates such innocence should be put down as the sick dog that they are.

I mean I really want to kill this guy, slowly with great duress, and no mercy.

Let me have 2 hours with him brodcast it pay per view and I promise the sick os out there they wouyld think twice before doing anything like this to another kid.



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:32 AM
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He who is without sin may cast the first stone JC is reported to have said.

SO all of you calling out for punishment and saying he deserves it... well you know what im about to say...

Yes this guy is sick... saying he deserves this and that? NO.



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:35 AM
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Originally posted by Corinthas
He who is without sin may cast the first stone JC is reported to have said.

SO all of you calling out for punishment and saying he deserves it... well you know what im about to say...

Yes this guy is sick... saying he deserves this and that? NO.



Too bad...I'm not Christian and I'll say it all I want to.....maybe you'll trust him to come hang around your house....you can preach bible quotes to him and save him.....that's how it works isn't it. All he has to do is find Jesus and all is forgiven.....



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:38 AM
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Say what you want about the Justice System In Iran but they do know how to handle these people.

Serial Child Killer Lashed Then Hanged in Iran



PAKDASHT, Iran — A young man convicted of raping and murdering 16 boys was lashed 100 times, and then hanged Wednesday in front of a large, angry crowd who pelted him with stones and scuffled with police.

Mohammed Bijeh, 23, confessed in court to raping and murdering the children, between March and September 2004. Iranian media have said Bijeh burned the bodies of his victims, all boys between 8 and 15.
www.foxnews.com...



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:39 AM
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OMFG... That's really all I can say.
I can't even dream up a punishment worse than what such a monster deserves. Truly the most awful holes in hell are reserved for the likes of this guy....



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:39 AM
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Too bad...I'm not Christian and I'll say it all I want to.....maybe you'll trust him to come hang around your house....you can preach bible quotes to him and save him.....that's how it works isn't it. All he has to do is find Jesus and all is forgiven.....


I am Christian, and I will say it as well. Very loudly in fact. IMHO Jesus should turn his back on this piece of garbage.



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by Corinthas
He who is without sin may cast the first stone JC is reported to have said.
SO all of you calling out for punishment and saying he deserves it... well you know what im about to say...


Level II Dogma Alert

Dude, lets see what the Bible says about rape shall we??


If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29


EDIT: BTW, I am 100% Sin Free.... Wait..... Make that 60%, 40%....... Nevermind *goes back to creating his golden calf*




[edit on 3/16/05 by FredT]

[edit on 3/16/05 by FredT]



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by LadyV

Too bad...I'm not Christian and I'll say it all I want to.....maybe you'll trust him to come hang around your house....you can preach bible quotes to him and save him.....that's how it works isn't it. All he has to do is find Jesus and all is forgiven.....


I SAID: JC is REPORTED to have said... im no biblebasher either... but IF he did say it he is saying what I was trying to say.

Being vindictive ie. saying "that guy who got flogged, stabbed and hung deserved it" (irrelevent of the crime comitted) makes you as bad as him.

So saying "anyone who says he deserved to be flogged , stabbed hung deserves to be flogged stabbed and hung" makes it go round in circles see?

See how that goes round and round and round?

POINT!



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:50 AM
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This makes me just sick. Very hard to respond to.

...But as bad as it is - I think we're seeing an increase in this stuff - we need to gird our loins and ask "Why?"

IMO - it's a combination of sickness and cultural values - the more we promote anger and violence and vengeance, the more likely people are to integrate that crud into their daily lives. The more we disempower people, the more likely they are to try and exercise a sick, thwarted personal power over those more vulnerable, like children.

...I also know there's a push to bury the White House pedophile scandal - and to use Internet pornography as an excuse to control the internet.

Overall, the way this story is being handled in the media looks like opportunistic manipulation - a political degradation of an already great tragedy.


Photographer for White House child sex ring arrested
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:52 AM
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um that pasage refers to a young WOMAN. this is a small child the punishment as mentioned would be something the accused would actualy like a child he could continuously abuse. that would not be a punishment. i believe that a he can be forgiven but that the punishment would fall under:
give unto ceaser what is ceasers (i apologize as i can not give chapter and verse) you must remember that even tho not guilty jesus accepted the punishment for his suposid crimes. personaly i can't think of an apropriate punishment but some old gestapo tricks and other tortures come to mind. and to be honest what abuses did this man mabe go through it is said that children raped often turn into child rapers themselves it is a bad situation all round but needs to be stopped.



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:55 AM
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Level II Dogma Alert
Dude, lets see what the Bible says about rape shall we??
quote:
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29

Gotcha there FredT. This girl was 3. THREE. While you and I may differ on our opinions, which is cool, I still go on record to say that killing this offender was a good thing. I may burn in hell for my beliefs, however they are indeed what I believe.




posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 08:58 AM
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this is just sickening..............just when you think that nothing worse or more dispicable can happen.............it does.

i pray that this child will be placed in a loving, nuturing home.......where she can have all the love and attention and support she will require for the rest of her days.

i hope she finds the right counsellors that can help her work thru this horrible traumatic event............

god bless this poor baby.

as far as the horrible scum that seems to have commited this crime......i hope he meets his maker and the ultimate judgement is passed on him.


angie



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 12:08 AM
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We could learn a lesson from our middle eastern friends and allow the family of the victim choose the punishment... But I think the bigger issue here is that this guy (if guilty) will probably get out of jail one day and will more than likely not be rehabilitated. As far as cruel and unusual punishment goes, I think it's not in style in the US anymore because we've realized with forensic science that the accused are not always guilty... or perhaps that it was decided that cruel and unusual punishment brings the judges down to the level of the judged. In any event, he will be punished according to the law of our country which won't be enough to "fix" him. If he was indeed sick enough to commit this act in the first place, I seriously doubt that raping a three year old is all that he's capable of.
A lobotomy might fix him.
-S



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 06:08 AM
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I want to kill this bastard. I have a 4 year old little girl and love her dearly , anyone that violates such innocence should be put down as the sick dog that they are.

I mean I really want to kill this guy, slowly with great duress, and no mercy.

Let me have 2 hours with him brodcast it pay per view and I promise the sick os out there they wouyld think twice before doing anything like this to another kid.



Here, here!

I couldn't agree with you more. Children - how in the heck can you even think of harming children? Innocence, and magical curiosity abound in every single act a child does. Ever watch a child look at you with wonder and pride when they did something for the first time, looking at you as if to say look what I did, when they do something we all take for granted?



posted on Mar, 17 2005 @ 09:28 AM
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This is too sad to even talk about too long. I have three daughters and if anything like this ever happened to them, I don't know... I'd probably have to be fighting for my own freedom pleading temporary insanity for the things I'd do to the guy. Enough of that though.

I don't know if this is even possible, the prosecutor says they can't seek the death penalty, what about if he broadcast it on the internet in a state where that type of offence would entitle the prosecution to seek the death penalty?

Lets hope someone in the know will look into this and maybe extradite him.

My prayers go out to the little girl and her family that they will be able to move on and hopefully live a better life without the fear of this type of thing again. I also send my prayers to the prosecutors and the judge and jury that all can be done to bring the harshest sentence imaginable upon him. Leave no rock unturned in trying to find the worst way imaginable to pay him back for these heinous crimes.

Phae




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