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NEWS: Girl Aged Three Raped Live On The Internet

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posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 07:39 PM
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This guy will most likely meet his end at the point of a "shiv" in lockup - general populations in US prisons tend to kill off child rapists rather quickly.




posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 07:45 PM
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Let it be a very painful death. Slowwww and painful


pain
pain
Does it hurt yet?



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 07:54 PM
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I've heard an awful lot of calls for this man's death, and the death penalty in this case. I like the death penalty, I think a muderer deserves to die. I think this animals crime is obscene and deserves drastic punishment. But I would not advocate death in this case.

What I would like to see for him and all other sick monsters of his ilk is a punishment that I don't believe currently is on the books. That being castration.

My judgement is that persons who committ sex crimes can not be rehabilitated. There's just no fixing them. Death would be the quick easy solution for them and would not truly punish them.

Removing the offending part, the part that drove them to such sick sadistic crimes would be a constant reminder of just what on earth they did wrong.

Every time one of these sickos has to look down and see that they are no longer a man, and realize it was because they couldn't control themselves it will be a reminder that they broke soceities laws.

Off with his head I say.
^ pun... get it?



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 08:23 PM
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The damage to the child will be irepairable.

A two year old raped here will never have children and never be able to go to the toilet properly. She has a colostomy bag and urine tube for life....

Just stick him in a room with all of us......



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 08:45 PM
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Some of you have been seriously misled in the psychology department. The child will remember in some fashion and her(?) brain will have been physically altered. Do any of you know what a neural pathway is? As a child develops from conception to the end of adolescence, physical parts of the brain develop based on the stimulation they receive. Many of you may have noticed that it's easier for a child to learn something like a language than an adult. This is why. This is probably how this mad, horrible man came to be (through abuse), and this poor child will probably grow up to be something like this man. Men who were abused, if seriously impacted, become abusers where women usually become something like a stripper, prostitute, addicted to drugs, etc. Reference a man you all know, Adolf Hitler. I'm not saying that these people should be excused for their behavior, but I am saying that there is a definite correlation between a person's disposition as an adult and how they were raised. Those who abuse children physically, sexually, or mentally, should be put somewhere where they can't harm anyone else so long as they shall live. Maybe they could be given the option of a lobotomy? I don't know what would be right in this situation even though I did well in Ethics, but death doesn't seem understanding enough and lifetime incarceration seems too lenient.
-T

[edit on 15-3-2005 by ServoHahn]



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 09:02 PM
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Who was this child? Was it a relative? His daughter (God forbid)?

I believe they should trace all who witnessed this horrific event and prosecute every single one. Make sure prison is in each of the sentences.



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 09:03 PM
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I take these postings to mean this man is guilty before his trial? What if he has a little bit of a mental problem? You surely would see he got treatment, right? What if he claims the 3 year old lead him on?

Is that crazy enough? Why didn't the SS (notice the similarity) not intervene? I know they scour chat rooms and hang in some of them. Why wasn't this guy apprehended BEFORE his gross actions?

How sick is society to hope the convicts will make this guy suffer? Is society impotent? Even with a death penalty how many 'hope' this guy suffers before he is killed?

Mayet and Servo are most likely right. The child is damaged for life. While we contemplate what evil this guy deserves, remember the government knew BEFORE the crime happened!
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posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 09:40 PM
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Joe,
Though, society didn't commit the crime, it has allowed it to happen. Prison is just a holding cell for unwanted. There are 99.9% more poor people in prison than middle class. There are probably 99.9% more people in prison who have experienced violence or abuse as children. I'm sure the statistics will show a positive correlation. And while we continue to throw our unwanted in to prison for "rehabilitation", no one actually "gets better"... no. The only way to actually prevent crime is to get to the root of the problem. Obviously the threat of prison time didn't keep this scum-bag from commiting the horrendous deed (if in fact he did commit it), but if someone had intervened when he was getting abused himself, maybe this wouldn't have happened?
-T



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 10:23 PM
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I can't remember exactly which country it is, but there is one where if you committ a crime, and it is caught on camera, the extent of the trial is to determine if the accused is the one on camera. Not if they committed the crime, or what their motivation may have been. I personally don't believe that a troubled upbringing excuses bad behavior. It may explain it, but not excuse it.

So, if this man is the one that was witnessed on camera, committing this dispicable deed, I for one would hope that the trial does not devolve into explaining away his behavior.



posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 10:59 PM
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This is a very difficult subject. I know there are many people that commit these crimes daily. I just wonder how many of them could have been prevented if they could get help before they let this kind of thing get out of control for themselves.

I mean I am sure there are those that are out there that in some strange way are attracted to this but know it is wrong. I would imagine after so much time of inner conflict with them selves, these kinds of people will commit this kind of crime. However, if they could just approach someone for support before getting to the stage of committing the act I think there would be less of these crimes.

However, now a days it seems like there is no one to turn to. I mean who could a person like this go to? I psychologist? Doubtful, they would likely have to turn in the person because of some law. A priest? Perhaps, but most people are so moved by their disgust (and it is disgusting) for someone even thinking about this sort of thing, they may go beyond their oaths.

Any way, I just hope some day we can find a way to slow this down these types of crimes if not totally stop them.



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by WyrdeOne
Uhm...hello? Anybody out there?
SECRET SERVICE??!!
Is this within their jurisdiction?


Yes it does have a mandate to investigate computer fraud.


The Secret Service was established as a law enforcement agency in 1865. While most people associate the Secret Service with Presidential protection, our original mandate was to investigate the counterfeiting of U.S. currency--which we still do. Today our primary investigative mission is to safeguard the payment and financial systems of the United States. This has been historically accomplished through the enforcement of the counterfeiting statutes to preserve the integrity of United States currency, coin and financial obligations. Since 1984, our investigative responsibilities have expanded to include crimes that involve financial institution fraud, computer and telecommunications fraud, false identification documents, access device fraud, advance fee fraud, electronic funds transfers, and money laundering as it relates to our core violations.
www.ustreas.gov...



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 01:06 AM
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Hang em. Im not kidding. No punishment will fit the henous nature of the crime. However, before we all go looking fo a nice tree and rope, he is entiled to a fair trial. After that



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 01:49 AM
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posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 01:52 AM
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Along time ago my oldest uncle spent about ten of his young years in the big house for small petty stuff, teenage stuff. Anyway he said the one thing inmates hate is child abusers. They do awfull things to those guys and gals daily. The get what they deserve as soon as the door closes behind then in the state pen.
This does not take away the sadness of what has happened to so many children, but I am glad we as citizens can count on the crooks inside to do what we all wish we could.
A million thanks goes out to these people that make sure these child abusers get what they really deserve.
I'm affraid if thier fate lie in my hands, they would suffer and die a slow painfull death. It's times like these that some portion of a animal in each of us comes alive. Just like the lions protecting thier young. Most of us have these instincts that says kill anyone who dares to harm a child.
I think if I ever found out I was dying, i'd go out and take care of as many of these folks as I could find!!! For now I guess i'll just pray for the children



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 01:52 AM
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I'm not even sure what to say. I think America needs to seriously spend more money on it's people and subsequently divert more attention to distrubed men and women like this man. I will blame the failure of society to provide stable education and social reforms programs to ensure that such crimes are not commited. These are not isolated cases, something has to be done. You can call this anti-american rethoric all you want.

Deep



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by phreak_of_nature
I can't remember exactly which country it is, but there is one where if you committ a crime, and it is caught on camera, the extent of the trial is to determine if the accused is the one on camera. Not if they committed the crime, or what their motivation may have been. I personally don't believe that a troubled upbringing excuses bad behavior. It may explain it, but not excuse it.

So, if this man is the one that was witnessed on camera, committing this dispicable deed, I for one would hope that the trial does not devolve into explaining away his behavior.

You're absolutely right, it doesn't excuse him. I've been blessed with an advantaged upbringing and I have no impulse to rape a child on camera. Anyway, you don't have to be so cute. The point we're trying to make is that, instead of incarcerating someone after committing a crime, we should maybe try to prevent it? If you study psychology, you'd learn that classical training (punishment and reward systems) are not half as effective as everyone thinks.



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 02:04 AM
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WyrdeOne: It is any Law Enforcement Officer's duty to take action or report to the appropriate agency any crime. I work for a child protective service agency, but if I saw a chatroom labled "how to make fake $100 bills" it would be my legal duty to report it to the appropriate agency. I would certainly hope that ANY Law Enforcement Officer, be it FBI, DEA, or even any civillian that saw a chat room as sick as the one mentioned would report it to the proper authority.



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 02:08 AM
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I'm sure that if I were a guard in his prison and I saw him getting beaten, tortured, whatever, I would probably just let em do it. What he's done is completly wrong, disgusting and he should be made to suffer greatly.

Hopefully the inmates make it so that he never f***s anythin again...



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroDeep
I'm not even sure what to say. I think America needs to seriously spend more money on it's people and subsequently divert more attention to distrubed men and women like this man. I will blame the failure of society to provide stable education and social reforms programs to ensure that such crimes are not commited. These are not isolated cases, something has to be done. You can call this anti-american rethoric all you want.

Deep


Yeah zero because its not like anything like this could happen in a place with stable socialised education, healthcare, and social reforms like say.......................
Angers France

My question is why are chatrooms dedicated to "baby and toddler sex" even allowed to exist unmonitored? I believe in free speech but a chatroom dedicated to a subject which is illegal should be monitored on a permanet basis. It good that the SS was able to clue in law enforcement that this was happening, but why wasn't this guy dentified and stopped the frst time?



posted on Mar, 16 2005 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by JoeDoaks
I take these postings to mean this man is guilty before his trial?

Well, although it's not said each and every time, I'm sure most people speak with the idea that what they are saying is meant to be true if indeed he is guilty. I doubt anyone here is suggesting that they want to hang an innocent man.

What if he has a little bit of a mental problem? You surely would see he got treatment, right?

Well, I think he has, (if guilty...), already proven without a doubt to have some mental disorder. I'm pretty sure a person would have to already be messed up in the head before doing the things he's been accused of doing.

That being said, I'm not sure there is much that could be done in Treatment for this guy. I mean anything is possible I guess, but it seems like there are certain lines that once crossed, nobody ever makes it back over again, ya know what I mean?!?!? I would suggest that someone study him in hopes of preventing such things from happening again by some other person and concentrate the Treatment fully on helping the child in hopes that her life can still become one she want's to continue living.


What if he claims the 3 year old lead him on?

Once again this would prove his mental disorder if it was true since that would be a seriously delusional state of mind to even consider that a 3 year old would or could display such characteristics.

Is that crazy enough? Why didn't the SS (notice the similarity) not intervene? I know they scour chat rooms and hang in some of them. Why wasn't this guy apprehended BEFORE his gross actions?

I imagine it's not as easy as one might think. It is the net after all and he could be anywhere in the world. Plus, who knows what measures he did take in order to secure his identity.

How sick is society to hope the convicts will make this guy suffer? Is society impotent? Even with a death penalty how many 'hope' this guy suffers before he is killed?

Society is pretty sick man. Especially when angry and emotional over one of the many injustices that happen in the world. I understand what you're getting at and that you aren't trying to stick up for the rapist here. (At least I hope not!!) But you must understand it is hard for people to grasp the idea that "Suffering" is still "Suffering" regardless of who it happens to and why. Just look at the news and media and entertainment business. It has to explode, shoot lazers, eat people, catch fire, fill the streets with blood or destroy all of mankind or it simply is worth anyones attention nowadays.

Mayet and Servo are most likely right. The child is damaged for life. While we contemplate what evil this guy deserves, remember the government knew BEFORE the crime happened!

Well sure, but they're also too busy committing their own crimes or covering up old ones to be paying too close attention either. Hell, I'm kinda shocked that they caught him this fast. I mean this is just some guy online somewhere. Not like he's some Most Wanted Terrorist Leader with a Bounty on his head and all that stuff. Otherwise they'd have caught him really quick!!! Wait a second, that senario may not exactly be right either?!?!?



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