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UFO technology and hardware: observations of a believer

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posted on Aug, 14 2020 @ 11:08 AM
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Hey everyone, I was just thinking about a few things regarding alien technology and the snippets of information about this subject in the lore of ufology. The thing I find most facinating is hearing about how these transportation vehicles work and the relative simplicity and efficiency of the systems. Don't quote me on anything, this is all stuff I found on the interwebz

First subject I would like to discuss is the well known Robert Lazar lore. As far as I have heard and understand the vehicle operates on the heavy element 115 that is used in a form of particle accelerator to both generate energy through a 100% efficient thermal generator and create and amplify an artificial gravity wave for means of propulsion and protection/stealth.
I mean, how beautiful does that sound? That is just freaking awesome in my book. Aswell as having and instant mode of transportation across time and space you also get your own private gravity field completely separated from any form of inertia with regards to your movements, and propably anything physical thrown at you, on top of a sweet shield that can bend light so nothing can see you.
But wait, it gets better still. Your vehicle can be pretty much made up of thinfoil, because you basically need zero structrual integrity because of your gravity shield(aslong as the engine is running that is). And it doesnt have to be pressurized because the shield also takes care of that. Just make sure you park it in a safe place.
As for the way they are operated I found it compelling that, compared to our operations of vehicles, there was a lack of instrumentation and operation surfaces on the inside of the vehicle. Plus they were not able to find a single circuit/logic board, cable of conduit leading to anything what so ever! But somehow the thing worked. They were able to locate and identify major parts like the accelerator, amplifiers and fuel storage but none of it was connected in any other way than the way physics works. Think about that, that is HUGE! Zero chance of equipment malfunction, zero!
Also remarkable was the fact they had very slow progress in operation of the captured vehicle, which to me seems to indicate that the pilot was a very essential part of the craft, in the sense that the pilot is more than the operator of the craft but also has vital systems required to use the vehicle. They did make more progress later on and were eventually able to take it out on test flights.

Another story that comes to mind is one of the other, lesser known Roswell encounters where a vehicle crashes overnight and is found the other day by several groups of civilians before the militairy eventually takes over. In it, one of the supposed witnesses discribes that, eventhough the vehicle had severe structural damage it was still able to create a noticable cooler area around it in the hot dessert environment and was cold to the touch. Presumably to benefit the occupants.
Speaking about the occupants, I think it were 3 of them, one dead, one injured and one seemingly fine. The one that was uninjured was very afraid of humans and apparently went bananas when the militaitry arrived. I wonder why?
The civilians tried to communicate with the creature after it calmed down and realised they werent a threat, but failed to do so. Which I can only blame on the occupants, they should have been more prepared for such a situation. Much in the same way I blame the occupants for these supposed crashes in this time period. It was carelessness or ignorance on their part, not equipment failure that lead to the crash.
Contrary to Lazars account they do discribe small debris resembling some form physical technology, picked up by one of the younger witnesses as a trinket. Also they discribe a slightly different appearance of the aliens with different skin tones and hands/fingers. Which makes me curious to all the possilble vehicles and technologies out there with all the different species And it worries me if we will ever evolve to a space faring civilization




posted on Aug, 14 2020 @ 12:38 PM
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flagg dadd...evolve to a space faring people......we don't want that, ya see there is no creature comfort.....in space travel.....this big blue marble works, though scripture says it is wearing out like a garment

imagine sitting in an Airbus 321NX for a month.....
edit on 14-8-2020 by GBP/JPY because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 14 2020 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: GBP/JPY

I agree, this planet is one heck of a nice vehicle. But you're thinking is wrong. We're not talking about space travel in weeks or days or even hours. We're talking maybe few minutes to travel to proxima centauri. This type of technology is literally beyond the sci-fi world of Star Trek. They were traveling at maybe 10 times the speed of light in the Enterprise. This craft can fold time space and travel light years in an instant



posted on Aug, 14 2020 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: Jubei42
First subject I would like to discuss is the well known Robert Lazar lore. As far as I have heard and understand the vehicle operates on the heavy element 115 that is used in a form of particle accelerator to both generate energy through a 100% efficient thermal generator and create and amplify an artificial gravity wave for means of propulsion and protection/stealth.
Did you know Bob Lazar formed a company with billionaire Robert Bigelow called Zeta Reticuli 2 to exploit the amazing properties of element 115 to change the world? Jacques Vallee who was a consultant for Robert Bigelow, wrote a bit about that:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: mirageman
Truth is if Bob's story was real he has absolutely nothing but a story. Who's trying to prove him a fake? Oh!

Jacques Vallee noted Bob Bigelow sussed him out pretty quickly pretending he had the mysterious stable version of E155 but it was in fact industrial emulsifier.



See Forbidden Science 4



posted on Aug, 14 2020 @ 10:01 PM
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I like how you think!
Makes perfect sense to me....
Great thread



posted on Aug, 15 2020 @ 05:14 AM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur

I can only guess at the validity of Lazars story, but the details about how the supposed craft works are very intriguing to me.
I do find it almost comical to think Lazar would try to pass of a foam like material as superheavy element 115. That makes very little sense by any stretch of the imagination



posted on Aug, 15 2020 @ 06:48 AM
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Bob Lazar has been obsessed with what he saw and was told about what he saw and now who knows what hes doing. I have seen this site and others debate this topic for so long it is absurd. To me it all comes down to whether or not he told the truth from the start and if you have really followed this story and doute that all I can do is laugh.
As for how the crafts work well good luck understanding that one. I personally believe that they are so complex that we still do not know everything. I agree that the whole system is very efficient.
Now as for what is used to move through space and time and galaxies and perhaps even universes well.....the technology is mind blowing IMO. I think we have already have learned a lot on how that really works but it is very a complex topic and spans an incredibly wide field of knowledge and science and nano teck and god knows what else.
Some people just do not want to believe that things like this are real and so they look away and throw a blanket over the topic and still they wonder.

edit on 15-8-2020 by bluemooone2 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 15 2020 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: Jubei42
a reply to: Arbitrageur
I do find it almost comical to think Lazar would try to pass of a foam like material as superheavy element 115. That makes very little sense by any stretch of the imagination
Bob Lazar does have followers and believers who will apparently believe anything he says, no matter how ridiculous. Why wouldn't a "superheavy element" be "superheavy", or dense, if it was in solid form and not a gas? Lazar did get Bigelow believing in his hoax long enough to form the Zeta Reticuli 2 corporation, so I guess Bigelow fell for it initially but it didn't take him long to discover the hoax, so Zeta Reticuli 2 was a very short-lived company.


originally posted by: bluemooone2
To me it all comes down to whether or not he told the truth from the start and if you have really followed this story and doute that all I can do is laugh.
Did you read what Jacques Vallee wrote, in my previous post? Unless you have some personal connection like he does as a consultant to Robert Bigelow, former business partner of Bob Lazar to exploit the properties of element 115, I think Jacques Vallee would be the one laughing at your post.



posted on Aug, 15 2020 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: Arbitrageur

Even if Lazars story was true, I highly doubt he was able to smuggle a sample out. And even if he did, it would be quite a task to engineer something for it when you have no working example or blueprints.
But just the idea that gravity is a wave that you can interact with through 115 is fascinating.



posted on Aug, 15 2020 @ 01:42 PM
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I'm a firm believer in black hole starship technology --- The only way to the stars.



posted on Aug, 15 2020 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Jubei42

I think Lockheed and E.G.& G. have already solved the problem. Ben Rich said years ago," we have the tech to send ET home."
S&F



posted on Aug, 15 2020 @ 03:37 PM
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originally posted by: Jubei42
a reply to: Arbitrageur

Even if Lazars story was true, I highly doubt he was able to smuggle a sample out. And even if he did, it would be quite a task to engineer something for it when you have no working example or blueprints.
But just the idea that gravity is a wave that you can interact with through 115 is fascinating.
Parts of Lazar's story were true, like his name really is Bob Lazar and he really was listed as an employee of Kirk-Mayer in the Los Alamos telephone directory. But Lazar is no physicist, and nothing he said about physics or gravity being a wave made any sense and contradicted much experimental evidence, as some real physicists have pointed out, like this physicist.


Mr. Lazar on many occasions demonstrates an obvious lack of understanding of current physical theories. On no occasion does he acknowledge that his scenario violates physical laws as we understand them, and on no occasion does he offer up any hints of new theories which would make his mechanism possible. Mr. Lazar has a propensity for re-defining scientific terms, and using scientific language in a confusing and careless way. For these reasons, I don’t feel that Lazar’s pseudo-scientific ramblings are really worthy of any kind of serious consideration.


Another physicist, Tom Mahood, who actually did his thesis work on a gravity related topic, also points out that Lazar's gravity wave explanations are nonsensical, for example if flying saucers were being tested at area 51 that made some kind of gravity waves, those close signals would dwarf the tiny gravitational wave signals being detected from a billion light years away, yet the gravitational wave observatories never observe anything consistent with Lazar's story! Tom Mahood did a pretty good job of figuring out which parts of Lazar's story are true and which are not true:

Looking at the Bob Lazar story from the perspective of 2018


originally posted by: Violater1
a reply to: Jubei42

I think Lockheed and E.G.& G. have already solved the problem. Ben Rich said years ago," we have the tech to send ET home."
S&F

That's not exactly what he said, but it was something along those lines, and the audience laughed since they knew he was joking, he was talking about the fictional character in the fictional movie ET. Most of them laughed anyway, but one person didn't get the joke and thought he was serious.

Ben Rich misquoted by many in the UFO community

Ben Rich is constantly misquoted as saying “We now have the technology to take E.T home.” That is not what he said.


edit on 2020815 by Arbitrageur because: clarification




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