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Myth of Trump enriching himself as president

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posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: okrian

All of that says nothing about how releasing them to the public is going to magically make these misdeeds appear. You said yourself the IRS have professional investigators who already do that. What are they missing?




posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: NightVision

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: namehere

Fate, retribution, vengeance, justice.

Take your pick really.

But what that Mans, perpetrated and gotten away with, undetected as of yet, is apt to come out in the wash.

History won't remember Trump well.

Nor should it.


What you mean to say is 'History won't remember Trump well...by a few people.'

Only a fool would ignore the silent Red Wave that is coming. I'll wager you on that. You're desperate to find anything on him. And like CNN, MSNBC, the FBI and all the left...you will find nothing.


The left is essentially the melting witch in OZ. Lashing out in the last death rattles.




I feel the same way. I laugh every time someone claims Trump won't be remembered well. I've stopped bothering to respond to them because they're too hardheaded if they really believe Trump won't be remembered for everything he did - just in four short years - for this country.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 03:53 PM
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originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: Scapegrace
In 2015, Forbes estimated Trump
was worth $4.1 billion.

In 2016, Forbes estimated his worth at $3.7 billion.

In 2018, Forbes estimated his worth at $3.1 billion.

In 2019, Forbes estimated his worth at $3.1 billion.

In 2020, Forbes estimated his worth at $2.1 billion.

I’ve been told repeatedly that Trump uses the office to enrich himself. Yet according to Forbes, he’s lost almost half his wealth since becoming a 2016 candidate.

I haven’t noticed any stories in the MSM about this. Did I miss any?


Let's assume for the sake of argument that Forbes is correct. All that means is that Trump is making a small fortune in the time-honored way--he's starting with a larger fortune inherited from his father and dribbling it away.

However, his net worth at any given point in time has no bearing on whether Trump is or is not "enriching" himself by improperly using the office of President. Technically, what he is being accused of in 3 different lawsuits is violating the Emoluments Clause of the Constitution. If he is improperly taking emoluments from any source he is simply slowing the rate at which his net wealth is evaporating and that would be a form of "enrichment".
Trump borrowed $1 million from his father when he was just starting out, another $60 million from his siblings in 1993, and the Trump children divided $20 million from their father in 1999. Forbes added Trump to their Forbes 400 list in 1982, with a presumed wealth of $100 million. But the guy who put the list together later said Trump was actually worth $5 million at the time. Whether he was worth $5 million or $100 million, he’s multiplied his wealth considerably since then. He’s certainly a better businessman than you or I. Anyway, I don’t care about his past, I care about what he’s done and is trying to do as president.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 03:55 PM
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a reply to: underpass61

It takes years and years to investigate because often things are buried deeply through many layers (and often in other countries - making it all the more difficult to both get access to, and follow the trail). If money goes through multiple shell companies, is split apart, rejoined in another place and another country, through other people again, split out again, rejoined again in Switzerland under completely unconnected means, donated to another shell company again, it truly becomes an insane game of tracking it all. People who have tons of money go to insane lengths. I really hope you would know that. Again, the art form of it all. In the meantime, it isn't like time stands still. As they know they are being investigated, things are shuffled, moved, rewritten etc in real time. This happening layers and layers down where it is unnoticed. Meanwhile they arrogantly 'show you everything' while telling you nothing.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 03:56 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Scapegrace

So Trump can't even make money by being a politician? Is that what you're saying?

Now he's the only guy in history who can't get rich by owning a casino or by being an elected official.



He’s been somewhat distracted.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: okrian
The ridiculousness of right wingers here (who before Trump would have questioned any rich person about their money, payouts, & taxes) defending this have their own inner selves to contend with. To think that ultra rich people do not have the means to creatively hide, launder, payoff politicians, create shell companies, commit fraud, etc. undetected is the exact opposite of denying ignorance.

Especially considering that the person we are talking about has a history of doing these things (and admittedly so). As someone with a friend that works for the IRS specifically to hunt down/investigate rich people and corporations that go to great length to hide their cheating, I can tell you these individuals and corps have teams of people and lawyers that make an art out of hiding misdeeds payouts/payoffs, and cheating. And they also make sure that the person(s) at the top have a series of fall-guys (be they people, companies, etc) to, ya know, take the fall, so they remain untouched. All evidence would point to a lifetime of Trump having fall-guys who were previously such good friends... or so they thought. Countless payoffs. Countless sketchy business history. Sketchy friends. Sketchy activity (both personally and professionally). The horse you have hitched up to is transparent, but it isn't the horse wearing the blinders.


There are loopholes that rich people use when filing taxes. Loopholes put in place by democrats. Trump already said he uses them, and when his tax return was leaked by Maddow, it was proven that he used the same tax loopholes that the Clintons, Obamas, and other rich people use. As for anything illegal, you haven't and will not see it. There's nothing to defend here.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:06 PM
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a reply to: okrian

And once again, releasing them to the public accomplishes what?



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Tekner

I think plenty of accountants may understand it all the same. LoL

He canny put up, and the thing is, he canny bloody shut up nether.




I am sure that they were scrutinized by Obama’s IRS.

Do you recall what happened with the IRS under Obama?

The average person can’t even understand their own tax returns. What are they going to do with the President’s returns?

More grasping at straws by the Left.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: Scapegrace

And he is working for FREE!

I hope when he wins the 2nd go around he at least accepts his earnings.


He has to accept his Presidential salary, Presidents are required to be compensated, what Trump does is to take $1 to cover that aspect, the rest is being donated over tax quarters to various organisations, although he has donated to federal agencies, which is a subject of just how lawful that is, and while many of those agencies are subject to Trump's budget cuts.
Of course his own, 'business' earnings continue, so I would consider that his presidential salary is pretty much a 'loss leader' to what other gains can be made by being the President, and of course he has a lot of 'foreign friends' to help him navigate the, 'advantages'

In edit, only a bum would boast so much about his perceived sacrifice, and yes Donald does things like that with abandon,

“I give away my presidential salary,” Trump told reporters at a gathering of his Cabinet. “They say no other president has done it. I'm surprised, to be honest with you. They say George Washington may have been the only other president to do that. See whether or not Obama gave up his salary. See whether or not all of the other of your favorites, your other favorites gave up their salary. The answer is no.”

Pathetic!

and for the record,

' Washington said he did not need or want to get paid to lead the executive branch. While he did not accept a salary for his military service, he ultimately accepted $25,000 for his presidential duties because the Constitution mandates the president receive a salary'


'Thirty-first president Herbert Hoover was the first American executive in chief to refuse a salary. Hoover was a multimillionaire before assuming office from a previous career as an engineer and businessman and donated his paycheck to charitable causes'

'Similarly, John F. Kennedy was born into wealth and prestige. When Kennedy took the oath of office in 1961, he was the richest man in history to do so. The Kennedy family fortune was valued at $1 billion, and allocated a $10 million trust fund to JFK'

'Kennedy refused both his congressional salary from the House and Senate and his presidential salary, though he kept his $50,000 expense account for “public entertaining he must do as President.” '

www.politico.com...
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posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: Scapegrace

You're going to hear the argument that he's gonna line his pockets with book deals and paid speaking engagements after he leaves office. Plus numerous miscellaneous shady backroom business deals. You know, just like a democrat.
Well the Clintons certainly did well after leaving office. Worth something like $120 million now. The Obamas were worth about $1.3 million in 2008 and now it’s $40 million.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: LSU2018
There are loopholes that rich people use when filing taxes. Loopholes put in place by democrats.


Wait. What? Tax loopholes are only a Democrat-passed thing? So corporate lobbyists are only lobbying Democrats now?



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:11 PM
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20 patents from China for his daughter and Secret service staying in his overpriced Hotels and golf courses.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:17 PM
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Deleted. Replied to wrong post.


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posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: okrian
The ridiculousness of right wingers here (who before Trump would have questioned any rich person about their money, payouts, & taxes) defending this have their own inner selves to contend with. To think that ultra rich people do not have the means to creatively hide, launder, payoff politicians, create shell companies, commit fraud, etc. undetected is the exact opposite of denying ignorance.

Especially considering that the person we are talking about has a history of doing these things (and admittedly so). As someone with a friend that works for the IRS specifically to hunt down/investigate rich people and corporations that go to great length to hide their cheating, I can tell you these individuals and corps have teams of people and lawyers that make an art out of hiding misdeeds payouts/payoffs, and cheating. And they also make sure that the person(s) at the top have a series of fall-guys (be they people, companies, etc) to, ya know, take the fall, so they remain untouched. All evidence would point to a lifetime of Trump having fall-guys who were previously such good friends... or so they thought. Countless payoffs. Countless sketchy business history. Sketchy friends. Sketchy activity (both personally and professionally). The horse you have hitched up to is transparent, but it isn't the horse wearing the blinders.
You must be wild to see the returns of Bezos, Gates, Zuckerberg, Brin, Page and Bloomberg. All fervent anti-Trumpers, much wealthier than the prez and employing every legal means to avoid taxes.
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posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 04:30 PM
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originally posted by: okrian
a reply to: underpass61

It takes years and years to investigate because often things are buried deeply through many layers (and often in other countries - making it all the more difficult to both get access to, and follow the trail). If money goes through multiple shell companies, is split apart, rejoined in another place and another country, through other people again, split out again, rejoined again in Switzerland under completely unconnected means, donated to another shell company again, it truly becomes an insane game of tracking it all. People who have tons of money go to insane lengths. I really hope you would know that. Again, the art form of it all. In the meantime, it isn't like time stands still. As they know they are being investigated, things are shuffled, moved, rewritten etc in real time. This happening layers and layers down where it is unnoticed. Meanwhile they arrogantly 'show you everything' while telling you nothing.
Good Lord, man, you could say the same about any super rich person, and right now, the very richest in America are all anti-Trumpers, with the possible exception of Warren Buffett.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 07:50 PM
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originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Scapegrace

Just show us his Tax returns, that are in question, and i image quite a few people would be happy bunny rabbits.

But he canny, can he?

Or he would probably be joining a few of his buddies in jail.



Ignorance at it's finest. If his tax returns revealed anything nefarious then the IRS would have already reported it to other relevant authorities if a crime was indicated.



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: RazorV66

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: Edumakated

Aye, they will be ""complicated"" all right.


Criminally so i imagine.



FFS?
So you think the IRS Is just looking the other way every #ing year he files his taxes?
That takes a special kind of stupid to think the IRS is letting him slide on tax crimes.


IRS only look at the tax returne...but the prosecutor want to compare the tax returne with loan application....cause when its time to make a loan you list your asset at 8 billions and when its time to pay tax you list 2 billions its call fraud...

and we need to know whereis money come from to make sure that he dosent act differently because he have asset in that country



posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 10:13 PM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

So you think the POTUS and someone like Trump would have a two-page tax return?

Ignorance at it's finest indeed.

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posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: NorthOfStuff

Trumps not an average person he's a ""stable genius"".


I recall that Donald is not up for the public seeing those tax returns.

Trumps the one whos grasping at straws, and with those little mitts, he's apt to slip and fall.

See

“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.” Abraham Lincoln

And that's the rock on which he will perish.
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posted on Aug, 12 2020 @ 11:54 PM
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 the thing is, he canny bloody shut up nether. 

 


Pot meet Kettle...



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