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What is China's problem!?

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posted on Mar, 15 2005 @ 03:17 PM
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"WASHINGTON – The United States has charged that China continues to supply unconventional weaponry and dual-use technology to Iran, despite numerous appeals.

China has transferred components and expertise to Iran's weapons of mass destruction and missile programs, officials said. They said some of the Chinese components have arrived via Pakistan, another key ally of Beijing."

www.worldtribune.com...

It would seem to me that the Chinese really don't care about anyone else in the world except for themselves. They pollute prolifically. They continue to violate basic human rights. They continue to beat the war drum against Taiwan (If they want to be free, then let them be free! Leave them alone!). They continue to proliferate weapons technology to some of the most dangerous regimes in the world. And they continue to do these and many other things with an air of smugness and entitlement.

Could this be a part of China's asymmetrical warfare strategy?

www.americandaily.com...
www.amazon.com...

Is this the kind of country that we, or anyone in the free world, would want to deal with? Has greed taken a front seat to nationalism? It's obvious that China has one goal... to destroy America in any way, shape or form. What do we do as a result? We bolster their economy! We allow trade deficits with China to soar! In short, we enable the very behavior that bolsters their pre-emptive strategy. It's time to pull the plug on China!





posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 11:32 AM
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China USA - same same

When someone else does exactly what you do they're the problem??

Quite honestly the World needs someone to rein you in - if it has to be China so be it.

China's not out to dominate the World - but you are. Creating a scary enemy is all part of US policy, it's all talk from you though. That really would be like Vietnam just a much, much bloodier defeat.

PS you'll never have a trade war with China - you can't afford to



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 01:26 PM
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China and the US is a two way street, We use their cheap labor to make goods, but there are alot of unemployed in the States. If we were to go to war with China, I think you would see economic growth and create jobs in the US by having to supply the workers for the factory jobs again. Cut out the middle man (China.




China's not out to dominate the World - but you are. Creating a scary enemy is all part of US policy, it's all talk from you though. That really would be like Vietnam just a much, much bloodier defeat.

PS you'll never have a trade war with China - you can't afford to


The US is not out to dominate the world, but China is looking more that way everyday. PAssing laws to legalize the invasion of tiawan, holding joint military exercises and also trading and cooperating with Iran and Syria. They are looking for Oil, energy, and the US has all the natural resources we want, and if the US wanted to stop all trade, again, major corporations will take the biggest hit.
Would it be so bad to watch Wal-Mart become a Made in America store again or even disappear altogether. We can afford to not need $1 stores on every corner. We can replace them with bars



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 01:41 PM
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China is trading weapons for oil. China is just trying to secure a constant supply of energy for its country. Iran wants weapons and China wants oil.

We the US sell countries weapons that we want something from, that country wants weapons so it works out for both sides. Nothing new here.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 04:33 PM
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I have to agree that China is trying to get a secure trading partner other than the U.S. for their critical supply of oil and will most likely stop at nothing to get it such as were are. We need to do something about our huge trading deficet with them and tell them to just move on. Hell I can't tell who the bad guy is anymore. China for dumping their goods at cut rate prices here in the U.S. or the our govt. for allowing them to do so.



posted on Mar, 18 2005 @ 04:45 PM
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I agree with esdad71, not only US depend on cheap labor but also it needs the growing economy and demand of China to help with our own economy.

I disagree that China wants world domination, but I believe that it wants, to become a leader in the global economy, they are aware of the US woes on the trading deficit, they are not stupid.

And they are watching very closely the devaluation of the dollar.

I agree that they are in need of energy sources, and that is going to make them a competitor stronger than the US when it comes to satisfying their needs.

Another country to keep an eye on is India, they are also becoming very hungry for energy.



posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by kozmo
"WASHINGTON – The United States has charged that China continues to supply unconventional weaponry and dual-use technology to Iran, despite numerous appeals.

China has transferred components and expertise to Iran's weapons of mass destruction and missile programs, officials said. They said some of the Chinese components have arrived via Pakistan, another key ally of Beijing."

www.worldtribune.com...

It would seem to me that the Chinese really don't care about anyone else in the world except for themselves. They pollute prolifically. They continue to violate basic human rights. They continue to beat the war drum against Taiwan (If they want to be free, then let them be free! Leave them alone!). They continue to proliferate weapons technology to some of the most dangerous regimes in the world. And they continue to do these and many other things with an air of smugness and entitlement.

Could this be a part of China's asymmetrical warfare strategy?

www.americandaily.com...
www.amazon.com...

Is this the kind of country that we, or anyone in the free world, would want to deal with? Has greed taken a front seat to nationalism? It's obvious that China has one goal... to destroy America in any way, shape or form. What do we do as a result? We bolster their economy! We allow trade deficits with China to soar! In short, we enable the very behavior that bolsters their pre-emptive strategy. It's time to pull the plug on China!



Oh please, why are americans such hypocrits???

1)America has through out history sold weapons to ever crook walking the earth, ironically enough also supplied iraq ,afghanistan and iran with weapons. and now you are pointing ur finger at China???get a life dude!
2)America quit the kyoto treaty and dont give a ratsass about the environment.Bush &co only think about them selves>mo money mo power at any cost, human life is expandable.
3)violation of human rights!! haha look what is going on in ur own country, america is the most corrupt country on this earth and peoples rights are trampled all over, and is only getting worse. democracy is the USA!!HAHA dont let me laugh, elections getting rigged because the elite runs everything and the mass of the americans dont even have a clue what is going on in their own country and the few who do dont give a f*ck.
4)u are talking about Chinas wardrum against Taiwan????Look what the US is doing??omg are you people blind???And even if china takes taiwan they have far better arguments then the americans have for invading iraq and what not to come.
5)Typical american paranoia to think everybody wants to destroy them.
your government sure did a good job with the fear induced tactical brainwashing program they are bombarding the us public with. From all what you have been saying it seems you are nothing more then a poorly informed american patriot.but then again 99,9 % of the american people are.
They havent a clue about anything or anyone outside the USA because that is just the american way:''The only country that counts is the US,fuk the rest ''





posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 09:55 PM
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Agreed. They think everyone else is stupid, and they're right all the time. If other people have any chance of being right or independent they either bomb them or interfere with their democracy.

An opposing view is clearly something they're not used to / prepared to tolerate.

PS why do they think everyone on here is a septic? This board is run from the UK (small country near Europe). It's a global community but they can't think beyond the 'shining seas'. And yet they understand everything about every situation - blissfull ignorance backed up by B52's.



posted on Mar, 19 2005 @ 10:21 PM
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It would seem to me that these people really don't care about anyone else in the world except for themselves. They pollute prolifically. They continue to violate basic human rights. They continue to beat the war drum against Iran (If they want to be free, then let them be free! Leave them alone!). They continue to proliferate weapons technology to some of the most dangerous regimes in the world. And they continue to do these and many other things with an air of smugness and entitlement.


I only changed three words in that quote, who do you think of when you read it now?

China? Thought not.



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by esdad71 We can replace them with bars


lol, Yeah ice cold Coors Lights instead of a crowded Walmart. IMO Its insane for America to "feed the dragon"...the more stuff we buy from them, the stronger they get. Why can't other countries make our crap? Was'nt the elder Bush an ambassador to China?


Maximu§



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 01:19 AM
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Seems to me at least - China at least represents 90% of U.S. Clothing.
So why would China even have a problem..

Dallas



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 02:12 AM
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Edited myself for too much ranting.

In my opinion Chinese should smoke in American designated smoking locations along with the other smoking employees when they are in the US. I don't believe special privileges at the expense of Americans should be given especially when second hand smoke is a carcinogen.

[edit on 20-3-2005 by orionthehunter]



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by CTID56092
It's a global community but they can't think beyond the 'shining seas'. And yet they understand everything about every situation - blissfull ignorance backed up by B52's.


Actually, the B2's would be a better choice, all the russian Surface-to-Air missiles around Peking would make it rough for the BUFF (B-52 nickname).

I really see the so called "problem" as business as usual. WE (here in the US) do exactly the same thing. It's just that some of our people over here have blinders on. We would be trading weapons with the Iranians if we could (and did, look at the 70's Iran) for oil.

I don't care for Iran getting sophicated weapons systems, but it's not illegal. Just more crap for us to destroy when we decide to take them out.



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 09:57 AM
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Simtek22

Agree mate - only B52's make for better TV


Also not happy about Iran having nukes but when Israel has subs with nuclear warheads on Harpoon missiles their desire for a nuclear response option is fully-understandable.

If the objective was to prevent Iran having capability it should have been denied to Israel

Proliferation leads to errr... more proliferation



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 11:52 AM
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From a historical perspective, anyway, all things seem simple and clear.

When WWI ended Perfidious Albion and her ally France burdened Germany with war reparations that were so unconscionable that the loser nation had to hand over nearly every cent that it earned to the winners, there was hunger, poverty, hyperinflation and panic, and the Germans were made to feel worthless. It was this that forced them to recover their self-esteem by convincing themselves that, not only were they not worthless, but they were the master race, and so the other races had to be either enslaved or destroyed. Then they launched the next big war to prove it.

So one could say that the British were directly responsible for those 60-70 million violent deaths, and for spoiling the 20th Century.

Long before that, they had also decided to go mess around with a declining China, a people that, for nearly 2,000 yrs., up until around 1800, had played a leading role in world affairs, except during chaotic transitional periods between dynasties. It now appears to be leaving behind one of those transitional periods.

There the British went around treating this proud people as though they were garbage, as they would later treat the Germans. In Peking you could see signs in the parks saying "No dogs or Chinese allowed". Those that eventually established a strong regime in China never forgot these humiliations, and they have made sure that never again will they be treated like the scum of the Earth. Their pride will not allow them to tolerate any more pushing around. The next time they are challenged they will destroy the planet rather than yield. All they need is a petty motive.

And there we have the roots of what will be the next big war, planted, once again, by the British, so one can say that, not only did the British spoil our 20th, but they have already spoiled our 21st Century.

The future is right there for all to see, in Kosmo's avatar.



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 06:39 PM
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Macrento nice to see a well-argued, correctly spelt response on here - makes a change. You have a point although you're incorrect in many of your details:

After WW1 it was France and her ally Perfidious Albion who insisted on reparations. With hindsight they were possibly too harsh but not as harsh as some (mainly French) wanted (a non-industrial agrarian society enslaved to France). Given the excesses of Germans in Belgium and occupied France you could argue they were let off lightly.

These 'once proud people' started a war that killed millions - they were lucky we were magnanimous in defeat otherwise they'd have lost a lot more young men.

Domination of Europe has long been a German goal (some would argue it still is). Hitler merely tapped into this and used it for his own ends.

They launched the invasion of Poland because after the expansion into the Sudetenland and the invasion of Czechoslovakia they thought no-one would argue with them. They were proved wrong.

To argue that UK is responsible for WW2 shows you really need to read more, better, books. If you argued UK saved millions, preserved the European Jewish Race and prevented US being hit with V2 rockets until they too surrendered you'd be correct. We couldn't have defeated the Nazis without US help, but US couldn't have done it without us.

Yes we f*cked with China but at the time we were arrogant imperialists dedicated to preventing the rise of a rival (sound familiar?). Think the sign you have in mind was in Hong Kong - a territory we gave back peacefully ( as we did with all our empire - US has failed to do likewise).

China's issue with Taiwan is related to the loser in their civil war Chiang Kai Shek retreating there and when they went to finish him off US stepped in to prevent them. If the Russians (say) protected a Redcoat outpost on Statten Island wouldn't you be p*ssed off about it? China has a point about Taiwan.

So WW3, which the neo-cons see as part of this new world, isn't UK's fault it's down to US interference in regions / matters that don't concern them.

US is picking a fight with China for its own ends - if you can't see that then you've been brainwashed by your 'free' media.

Actually no you're right; all the evils in the world our down to the UK our 100K strong army, our 60 ship Navy and our massive world-wide network of spy bases and listening posts. We interfere in loads of elections, bomb our allies, create fictitious terrorist organisations and slaughter innocents to get our own way.



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 06:56 PM
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posted by kozmo
China has transferred components and expertise to Iran's weapons of mass destruction and missile programs


Any proof of these WMD programs? Thought not......


posted by kozmo
It would seem to me that the Chinese really don't care about anyone else in the world except for themselves.


Right. And the US is lovey-dovey and goes round hugging everyone? Thought not.....


posted by kozmo
They pollute prolifically. They continue to violate basic human rights.


Kyoto? Guantanamo?


posted by kozmo
They continue to beat the war drum against Taiwan


As you (the US) do against Iran, Syria, China, North Korea....anyone who you don't get on with.


posted by kozmo
And they continue to do these and many other things with an air of smugness and entitlement.


As does the US. In fact, your president has come out on more than one occasion and stated that America has the right to do what it likes to serve it's own interests.


posted by kozmo
It's obvious that China has one goal... to destroy America in any way, shape or form.


And what do you base this on? Their entire economy would crumble without you guys buying up all their cheap products!


posted by esdad71
PAssing laws to legalize the invasion of tiawan, holding joint military exercises and also trading and cooperating with Iran and Syria.


To put the boot on the other foot, the US had a law authorising the overthrow of Saddam hussein, passed in 1998. At least China has an air of legitimacy about this, in that Taiwan is a renegade/rebel province, as it is the last outpost of the defeated nationalist forces from 1947.

You hold military exercises with your allies, why cannot anyone else?

And you trade with the enemies of some of your closest allies, for example Argentina in 1982, India and Pakistan (playing both sides of the fence their!), Taiwan and China (fences again!).



posted on Mar, 20 2005 @ 11:58 PM
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(posted by CTID56092)
(...) our 100K strong army, our 60 ship Navy and our massive world-wide network of spy bases and listening posts. We interfere in loads of elections, bomb our allies, create fictitious terrorist organisations and slaughter innocents to get our own way.



Culturally and racially the U.S. is nothing but a British outpost as explained in the history books that some space aliens have kindly allowed me to look over. They also partly agree with my scenario of the future, although they point out that "there are approximately ten alternative courses open to this world at this time, eight of which we would consider fairly unattractive. The other two concern what we are terming 'psychic revolution'. This would, of course, be in fact the overthrow of the prevalent belief systems that now control the governing forces of the world, and would return leadership to those best qualified to lead on the basis of intuitive knowledge, and what we call 'truth'. Whether you like this or not, it is what is happening now (...). This revolution, like all other revolutions, would result in widespread anxiety, and perhaps even an exchange of hostilities. We can in no way guarantee that this will not happen, but it is far less 'bloody' than the other eight alternatives. They will burn witches again, as they have in all ages past etc. etc. etc."

M the Loon



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