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Pelosi is super mad that Trump helped folks she ignored

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posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 07:13 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FishBait

The vaccine is absolutely being mass-produced. Protip: don't root for the virus, don't back China and don't bet against this country. A little bit of optimism will go along way. Facts are facts...this President has done a good job, the virus is usually not fatal or even serious, and the economy is rebounding faster than anyone expected even with China and the democrats doing their best to sabotage it.

The amount comes out to much more when you factor income tax withholding suspension (not SS/Medicare!)

And most red states are reopened. Unfortunately bars in many places do remain closed, and that needs to be rectified. It's your risk to take.

Again, it is a damn shame democrats are not only cheering on the virus but they are working to undermine the public's optimism, sense of safety and harm the federal government's efforts


You can imagine I'm doing what ever suits your narrative but I'm just being realistic that their are several vaccines that are just now being tested on humans. Hopefully they work, but it hasn't been proven yet.

Again, do you read the news? Schools are closing already in red states, college football teams in red states are saying they aren't going to play, concert venues are still closed for the most part, they open for a week then close again etc etc etc. This is not re-opened. You even said the red state is re-opened, but the bars are closed. So it's not fully re-opened. Stop spinning things. They are partially opened with heavy restrictions that everyone use masks and gatherings are kept to a minimum, even in red states. Saying red states are re-opened and only blue states have problems is a lie told by the right to pretend everything is fine. I'm not rooting for the virus anymore than you are denying it and risking peoples lives with miss info.




posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FishBait

They still loaded it with fluff/wishlist items and failed to give businesses who take reasonable precautions immunity from unscrupulous lawsuits by shiesty lawyers.

Dems are once again politicizing the relief bill. ONLY covid related relief efforts need be included.

Why is it so hard for them to put out a clean bill?

Why do they insist on abusing Americans to past a grocery list of items in their agenda when the voters have already rejected them and their politics? (See 2016 election)


That's congress. The first few bills were mostly fluff bailing out the rich and signed off by both sides and the pres so acting like one side has a moral high ground here is ludicrous.



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 07:21 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FishBait

I get your point, but the federal government really doesn't have the authority to tell property owners they have to let nonpaying tennets remain.

It might pass long enough to ride out a vaccine but in the end the only answer is get people back to work. The overreaction and overreach needs walked back, not people doubling down on stupid

FWIW, I do support temporary prohibition on evictions unless it's an egregious case unrelated to covid overreactions. I don't want to see anybody put out when they were obviously at a time productive members of society


I generally agree with this which is why they need to provide financial relief to people that can't work, or are short hours etc. It's the whole reason it seems like overreach because it's been bungled from the beginning by both sides. We want everyone to stay home (which was a good idea) but we aren't going to give you much help paying for anything unless your already a billionaire (bad idea). Oh well, we can't be bothered to fix this get your a## back to work and figure it out yourself (horrible idea). The rest of the world is shocked at how incompetent our gov is to this pandemic and wonder what's wrong with us that we elected such a brainless pres and callous congress people.



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 07:47 PM
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Fish, I agree with the relief to those who are unemployed or underemployed, no argument from me on that. My own kids would be going through hell right now if not for mom and dad having enough set back for our retirement. My SIL just lost his job last Thursday so it is all too real


Oh well, we can't be bothered to fix this get your a## back to work and figure it out yourself


Unfortunately there is nothing we can really do to fix it, other than logistics and that sort of thing. Making sure those who do get severe illness have medical care/end of life care and try to prevent the economy from going belly up and hurting everyone instead of a fraction of 1%

If theres a better idea I'm all ears, unfortunately nobody in power listens to me RE: policy



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 07:58 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: FishBait

Fish, I agree with the relief to those who are unemployed or underemployed, no argument from me on that. My own kids would be going through hell right now if not for mom and dad having enough set back for our retirement. My SIL just lost his job last Thursday so it is all too real


Oh well, we can't be bothered to fix this get your a## back to work and figure it out yourself


Unfortunately there is nothing we can really do to fix it, other than logistics and that sort of thing. Making sure those who do get severe illness have medical care/end of life care and try to prevent the economy from going belly up and hurting everyone instead of a fraction of 1%

If theres a better idea I'm all ears, unfortunately nobody in power listens to me RE: policy


I'm glad your kids have your support! Despite the jabs I do mean that.

All the European counties that were hit really hard still found a way to take care of citizens and their businesses precisely so they could stay home, try to avoid getting infected and not flood the heath system which costs taxpayers money whether you have public health care or not. They gave a large stipend that you could actually live off, froze evictions and told business they will find a way to make sure they are basically where they were when forced to close. Obviously they have had public health care for a long time so no one has to worry about that. They sill made mistakes but no where near the level we are. Everyone wants freak out about the socialist boogyman, but we are the richest country in the world and could have done these same things temporarily and still been a capitalist country.



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 08:03 PM
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You know that's a lie the dems offered to knock 1 trillion off.

By shortening the duration.

Pelosi offered to drop nothing, but expected the Republicans to drop everything.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 08:10 PM
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Did you read it? All he does is pass the buck and say someone else will look into whether evictions are really a big deal or not for COVID issues.

Yes, I did actually read it. I think you stopped before you finished Sec. 2:

(b) The Secretary of the Treasury and the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development shall identify any and all available Federal funds to provide temporary financial assistance to renters and homeowners who, as a result of the financial hardships caused by COVID-19, are struggling to meet their monthly rental or mortgage obligations.

(c) The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development shall take action, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, to promote the ability of renters and homeowners to avoid eviction or foreclosure resulting from financial hardships caused by COVID-19. Such action may include encouraging and providing assistance to public housing authorities, affordable housing owners, landlords, and recipients of Federal grant funds in minimizing evictions and foreclosures.
Source: Executive Order


He could have said evections are halted period.

That is actually questionable and could easily have caused the entire EO to be held up in courts.

It would be akin to seizing property without due process.

In any case, your assertion that he did not include anything about evictions is demonstrably false.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 08:25 PM
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Yes it is, you pass the House bill with things you dont like removed and add things you like then reconcile it.

How it worked for 200+ years before Mitch.

That procedure typically takes a few weeks. The House debates over and then passes a bill. That bill goes to the Senate, takes another week or so to go through committee and make its way to the floor. Then there is unlimited debate, and the Republican majority is not enough to force debate to stop. So after a period that could range from a few days to a few weeks, they can vote on the amendment offered. Now they get to take up the next amendment... then the next... then the next... then they send the bill back to the House and the House starts all over again. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands are homeless.

Or, the leaders of both parties in both houses can sit down and work out what their parties will vote for, the House passes it, the Senate passes it without debate, and Trump signs it. Everyone gets their money quickly.

The latter is what they tried, and the Democrats wouldn't budge an inch.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 08:34 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: FishBait


You know that's a lie the dems offered to knock 1 trillion off.

By shortening the duration.

Pelosi offered to drop nothing, but expected the Republicans to drop everything.

TheRedneck

If Pelosi doesn't "bring home the bacon" for failing Blue States and Cities, one of those officials might deliver payback, by revealing how Nancy became worth $120 million on a $180,000 salary.



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Pyle


Yes it is, you pass the House bill with things you dont like removed and add things you like then reconcile it.

How it worked for 200+ years before Mitch.


Or, the leaders of both parties in both houses can sit down and work out what their parties will vote for, the House passes it, the Senate passes it without debate, and Trump signs it.

Everyone gets their money quickly.

The latter is what they tried, and the Democrats wouldn't budge an inch.

TheRedneck


You're describing what happened (and worked) in late March. President Trump signed the huge Covid-19 rescue bill into law on March 31st.

Now, you have Democrats willing to give up $1 Trillion, but the $1 Trillion (from what I heard) consists of things that ARE RELEVANT to Covid-19 relief, while keeping the things that bail-out states and cities who shut down, and lost billions of dollars, over a relatively minor epidemic.



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 10:18 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi slammed the executive actions President Trump took this weekend to provide assistance for Americans struggling amid the coronavirus as weak and an "illusion" on "Fox News Sunday" with Chris Wallace, as she defended Democrats' stance asking for trillions more in aid as negotiations with the White House and Senate Republicans have stalled.

www.foxnews.com...

But here is the real deal:

Pelosi on Thursday proposed the parties each give $1 trillion and pass a $2 trillion proposal, but Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said on Friday the idea was a "non-starter."


This is all about flucking PORK! If you don't see what the idiot democrats are doing, you are dumber than Chuck and Nancy. This has never ever been about helping the American who was forced to cower at home, this is about more power, more control, and more spending. When numbers are this big, what's another trillion? Just cave in boys, it's for the people.........


And then blame the outrageously high deficit on Trump...



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 10:25 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
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Did you read it? All he does is pass the buck and say someone else will look into whether evictions are really a big deal or not for COVID issues.

Yes, I did actually read it. I think you stopped before you finished Sec. 2:

(b) The Secretary of the Treasury and the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development shall identify any and all available Federal funds to provide temporary financial assistance to renters and homeowners who, as a result of the financial hardships caused by COVID-19, are struggling to meet their monthly rental or mortgage obligations.

(c) The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development shall take action, as appropriate and consistent with applicable law, to promote the ability of renters and homeowners to avoid eviction or foreclosure resulting from financial hardships caused by COVID-19. Such action may include encouraging and providing assistance to public housing authorities, affordable housing owners, landlords, and recipients of Federal grant funds in minimizing evictions and foreclosures.
Source: Executive Order


He could have said evections are halted period.

That is actually questionable and could easily have caused the entire EO to be held up in courts.

It would be akin to seizing property without due process.

In any case, your assertion that he did not include anything about evictions is demonstrably false.

TheRedneck


I read it.

What your saying and what the order says don't jive. It says they will look into assistance for people, it doesn't guarantee it will be provided and it also qualifies using what's already there which has been thoroughly gutted and is no way designed to deal with this problem and this many people. People are already getting what's available, unemployment and food stamps. Not to mention all the favoritism they keep playing wanting to help red states and not blue states. Even people on here advocate for that. That's insane. They (or he) needs to set aside special money to help people, it's not just going to magically fall from the sky.

Seriously, read "c" and try to tell me that helps anyone. It only mentions helping landlords for pete sakes. So they are going to pay your rent and give it straight to the landlord? Not likely. It also says with in applicable law. The law is, you don't pay your rent you get kicked out. How are they stopping that short of paying your rent?

Like the vaccine, I hope it works but the vaccine is at least made by scientists. This order is made by a crooked businessman who's just try to buy a few more months to get re-elected. That's why a lot of the stuff was deferments to trick people into thinking they got help when they are still on the hook for the bills.

It's standard government word salad designed to sound nice but not actually do anything or commit any real resources.



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 11:28 PM
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It says they will look into assistance for people, it doesn't guarantee it will be provided and it also qualifies using what's already there which has been thoroughly gutted and is no way designed to deal with this problem and this many people.

One part says that, yes. Another part specifies that certain offices will use what is available to help people. You can't just ignore one part and concentrate on another. All of it matters.

If any new monies are to be used, the Congress has to authorize it. The President cannot spend money the Congress hasn't made available; at best the President can use money from one fund for an alternative purpose. That is what Trump is doing. As such, he directed his people to find as much as they can.


They (or he) needs to set aside special money to help people, it's not just going to magically fall from the sky.

No, it has to come from Congress. I agree we need more, but Pelosi is the one who has decided to stop negotiating.

Without this EO, there would be no help at all... not just not enough... nothing. Congress has refused to act.


It also says with in applicable law. The law is, you don't pay your rent you get kicked out. How are they stopping that short of paying your rent?

Of course it does! Since when can the President not do something within applicable law? He is not a dictator; he cannot just order others around outside of certain specific powers he has.

That question is why the EO directs various departments to look for solutions... that is so maybe they can help out more people.

Have you ever heard of Civics?

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 10 2020 @ 11:35 PM
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The really frustrating thing about Executive Orders, is that individual Governors can ignore certain aspects that apply to states.

Trump issued an Executive Order that created Non-ObamaCare health insurance plans. 40%-70% cheaper than ObamaCare plans.

Our callous governor of Illinois had to implement the E.O., but he only allows them to be 6 months in duration, and they cannot be renewed.

Texas governor allows those health plans to last 3 years...and to be renewed another 3 years.



posted on Aug, 11 2020 @ 12:02 AM
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I sense a bum fight a'brewin. Virtue signallers better keep the calendar clear, this will shake down with little to no warning. Take Pelosi at 7-4 if you can still get it. It'll drag down to pick the closer we get to fight night.



posted on Aug, 11 2020 @ 07:23 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Hmmm. I tried to follow the story about Robin Williams on Joe Biden and ATS kept blocking it. So I went to Youtube and they were burying it as well and i had to dig to find it. Very pathetic.



posted on Aug, 11 2020 @ 08:20 AM
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originally posted by: Pyle
a reply to: network dude

Um... because nearly any social/non-war/spying issue they are far apart... like every single thing. Then they have to compromise on things but tell me what is the GOP plan?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Take your time, read it, understand it, THEN comment. Doing it in reverse makes you look a bit daft.



posted on Aug, 11 2020 @ 08:47 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

Pro tips: don't believe any thing a politicians says until they actually do what they say they are going to do. It usually only happens when that thing makes them and their buddies rich.

Also, very interesting that you are agreeing he isn't really doing anything and just passing the buck to congress and the states which, as usual, give him someone to blame when he can't live up to his promises.



posted on Aug, 11 2020 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Pyle
a reply to: network dude

Um... because nearly any social/non-war/spying issue they are far apart... like every single thing. Then they have to compromise on things but tell me what is the GOP plan?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Take your time, read it, understand it, THEN comment. Doing it in reverse makes you look a bit daft.


Great job linking evidence that the republicans just crammed a 1.75 bill add on for an FBI building which held up their own bill as their are rep that don't even want to vote for it. If it was the dems you'd be freaking out how they are taking advantage of COVID etc etc but it's fine for your side to do this.

This is a big part of the reason politics is such a disaster as they (both sides) always use bills as an opportunity to tack on some giant pet project they can't get funded otherwise then scream "if you don't vote for this you hate America and want people to die from COVID (or whatever) to make Trump (or whoever) look bad". Here's an idea, just present a bill that focuses on COVID and worry about your stupid building some other time. Talk about taking advantage of a tragedy.



posted on Aug, 11 2020 @ 11:14 AM
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Absurd. How dare you work on my day off.

If money is as free as you seem to think, why can't we spread it around?

It boggles my mind. I wouldn't even trust it to flush a toilet after its done.




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