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posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 01:31 PM
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a reply to: DeusInAbsentia




Genuine question. Is it not possible for Trump to have made positive changes for the American people, but to also be worthy of criticism? Surely you agree we shouldn't idolise the man, that'd a real problem, so it's only right we call him out when he expounds profoundly bad ideas.


Of course I don't idolize anyone and the normal criticism of politicians
is perfectly acceptable. Can you tell me where I can find some of that
worthy criticism for this duly elected POTUS? All I see unbending shards
of phenomenal hate. What kind of a weirdo does it take to just never
give another human being at least a chance to prove himself. That's not
even remotely sane. So don't even go there with that crap. We haven't
ever in history seen anything that looks more like some kind of magic
spell out of a Disney movie. It really is ridiculous so don't make me out
to be the weirdo when these people hate the way they do. that's on them.

Everyone deserves a chance. And who is it that they would rather? LMAO
Idiots.

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posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat

That's the problem I have with most of these discussions. They all evolve into "Trump bad; not Trump good" or "Trump good; not Trump bad." That's identity politics and I don't do identity politics. I support Donald Trump because he has done exactly what I expected him to do, at least 90% of the time. Compare that to every other politician doing what I think is right 10% of the time, and most of that 10% being smoke and mirrors.

That's why I took no offense at DeusInAbsentia's post. I might disagree on some things, but at least he is making an argument on policy instead of some cult of personality.

Every person who ever takes an office will do something I don't like. I sometimes wonder if I were in office, would I do something I didn't like? That's just the way it is. I judge success by the preponderance of what has been accomplished that I wanted accomplished. I got that: border wall being built (after almost 40 years of promises); minor progress with North Korea; a booming economy with low unemployment and rising wages (prior to the virus panic); prison reform; and that's a partial list.

You might disagree... that's OK. Just disagree on the basis of policy and be honest about what you expect. Worst case, we can agree to disagree. What's not OK for me is someone just screaming talking points because Trump = bad no matter what.

When I hear that, my first response is to defend the man who is being unfairly targeted. That's not cultism... it's just my nature to defend the innocent, even if they are named Trump.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 01:43 PM
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Trump's done well with the economy.

He did well initially with Covid. Then he signed off on the closures and signed outrageous bills giving out trillions. Now Trump will try to be blamed for local Covid issues that belong to the states themselves. He's not a dictator. He cannot mandate orders to states that interfere with states rights.

I wish he'd pull all troops from the Middle East.

Either amnesty for the Dreamers or toss 'em out but all politicians are just using the illegal aliens as a project for fund raising.

Wish he'd lower taxes some more.

Keep building the wall at our southern border.


Biden?

He'll raise taxes.
Grow government.
Open borders.
Take away guns.

Now "Biden" can't "do" any of that, but his administration, his "central committee" of advisors sure as hell can.
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posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat

Problem is when sniffy Joe "corn pop arrested two dozen times" Biden is the other candidate its an easy choice.

Tulsi wouldn't have been controversial. Trump would have dropped out from X number of his base defecting to her side.

Instead, they pick the creepy guy who smells women, lies frequently and doesn't know where he's at. Someone who's election strategy is to stay off camera as much as possible to avoid the constant stream of "poor kids are just as good as white kids" type gaffes



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: Wildmanimal

This interview proves to me that Trump, nor his administration, are smart enough to deal with COVID. Trump doesn't even understand how statistics work.

Every moment you conservatives pretend he's doing a good job is a moment that everyone else gets to know, for a fact, that he isn't. When teachers and parents start dying after the schools reopen, it will be bad optics and entirely Trump's own fault for being too stupid to listen to scientists.

I suspect that the stranglehold of the ignorant on American society led by Trump will be over soon and then he will be arrested for various felonies once he leaves office.

You should have thrown him under the bus during the legitimate impeachment proceedings, but now you get to watch him dig his own grave along with his party's.

Trump doesn't respect the law - in fact, he smeared the reputation of law enforcement agencies that tried to investigate him. Trump doesn't care about protecting us from Russia. Trump isn't smart enough to deal with COVID. Trump doesn't listen to other people who probably aren't smart enough to either, but are probably smarter than him. The economy is going to crash because Trump was too stupid to get COVID under control during the first lockdown.
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posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 06:29 PM
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Story of my life lmao. Born in 1990, and all I've ever seen with our politics is that it just gets worse and worse. It would almost be comical if it weren't for the fact that we have to deal with the repercussions of a political crapshow.



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 06:41 PM
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originally posted by: kwakakev
Of course the whole covid situation is a massive train wreak. Trump tried getting HCQ out to the population then Fauci shut it down.


That's not true. HCQ is just as available now as it was before Trump promoted it.


As the results are coming in, Trump was right and Fauci is evil.


The results for HCQ aren't as promising as touted, which is why they are looking at the other medications and combinations that were given at the same time to see if they were the real cause of those initial statistics.

HCQ is an old medicine, which we have a significant body of experience with, and it doesn't do what Trump claimed at safe doses. It also has negative side effects which are so much worse than it's efficacy at the doses needed for an effect.


Do you expect Trump to eliminate all disease and death?


I don't expect Trump to eliminate any disease and death. He has no qualification that would give any confidence that he has knowledge in the subject matter and he ignores those who are qualified.

Clearly, when other countries, even those hard hit with the virus, turn it around and yet the US remains as one of the worst countries in the world in responding to the virus, it would make me distrust anything that their leader might say on the topic.


I know some legislators like to pretend they are god. If they can make a universe I will consider it.


I would think that the claim to be 'chosen of God' and 'a messiah like King Cyrus of Persia', is an inappropriate claim of something of the divine.


I see Trump as one man calling it as he sees it, trying to do his best in difficult circumstances. Personally I think we are lucky to have him.


The actual statistics say otherwise. He is possibly the most destructive in terms of numbers, to the lives of the citizens of the USA, of all of its Presidents. Of course, it was always going to be someone else's fault. I mean, he's only the President of the United States. What power could he possibly wield over anyone else on the planet.




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posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 06:43 PM
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a reply to: LSU2018
But what about all those Walmart workers on welfare? From what I can tell they seem to be hard working. From what I can tell only women with children get welfare, and that's only for 3 months. So a woman with 2 children gets like $400.00 a month. That don't cover rent in any of the 50 states. Welfare was meant to help while you get back to work. With rent so high welfare don't really help now. Maybe it did 20 years ago but not now. Clinton got rid of the welfare queens. He put a 5 year limit on it, and every President after him as lowered that time limit to what it is now. So don't worry about welfare it will be gone with in your life time. Then all you'll need to worry about is paying taxes to take care of children in foster care, and there will be a lot of them.



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 06:46 PM
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originally posted by: cosmickat

Widespread civil unrest


So the liberals created this problem and so the only course is to elect a liberal to fix it? That is some serous fuzzy math there...lol



A probable global recession / depression ?


The US would feel very little, but then with Biden in office he can beg the Chinese for forgiveness and start the apology tour 2.0 from what Obama did for 8 years.


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posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat
Thanks for posting this, S&F. I was barely 10 minutes into it and I had to stop. I was absolutely incredulous as to how the hell our country got to this point of having a completely delusional bat# crazy person as our President. I just can’t watch him dismantle our country. Whatever happens in the election, all I can do is vote. And vote I will. I just hope there are more like me who are of sound and rational mind willing to turn this #show around.



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 10:31 PM
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So the liberals created this problem and so the only course is to elect a liberal to fix it? That is some serous fuzzy math there...lol


A bowl of mash potato could do a better job than trump is doing right now


The US would feel very little

As little as they did in the Great Depression of the 1930's ?





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posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 10:35 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat

The neat part of America is that you are free enough TO vote for a bowl of mashed taters if you like.

Once the socialists take over, voting will no longer be a freedom we can enjoy.



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 10:45 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I am sure many would agree with you.
But really...
with or without "scary socialism" America's illusory freedoms are disappearing every day.

Let's hang on to the hope that mashed taters don't get cancelled !



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: cosmickat

The neat part of America is that you are free enough TO vote for a bowl of mashed taters if you like.

Once the socialists take over, voting will no longer be a freedom we can enjoy.


But, but it's Democratic Socialism. We get to vote!

Well, as long as it's for who TPTB want to win...

Wait a minute.. that doesn't sound too different than what we have now! I can already hear it. People complaining that voting doesn't matter and all that lol



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat


A bowl of mash potato could do a better job than trump is doing right now

Oh, well, so much for productive political debate... Not sure why I keep trying...

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 11:08 PM
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originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: cosmickat


A bowl of mash potato could do a better job than trump is doing right now

Oh, well, so much for productive political debate... Not sure why I keep trying...

TheRedneck



Is there ever much debate in the pit ?



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 11:10 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Is there ever much debate in the pit ?

There could be.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 11:12 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

There could be but there isn't because everyone is too busy slinging mud.

Perhaps a forum dedicated to productive political debate would be a solution.



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 11:17 PM
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a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


Perhaps a forum dedicated to productive political debate would be a solution.

We already have that. It's called "the rest of ATS."

Unfortunately, there's little productive debate there either.

TheRedneck



posted on Aug, 4 2020 @ 11:19 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

True that.

So did you watch that train wreck of an interview?




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