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Dr. Anthony Fauci Must Be Fired (2005 Chloroquine Study) ....updated

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posted on Aug, 14 2020 @ 10:48 PM
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a reply to: Phage



What are "adjusted deaths per million?"


The issues involved in compiling such a broad range of data, Further explanation can be found at hcqtrial.com...




posted on Aug, 14 2020 @ 10:54 PM
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a reply to: kwakakev

Can you explain how they assign Sweden a value of about 650/million when the raw data shows a value of 572? The formula used, can you provide that at least?

Can you explain how they assign a value of about 900 to the US when the raw data shows a value of 518? The formula used?

Are they assuming that HCQ has a significant effect?

www.worldometers.info...


As of August 14, 2020, an average of 43.2/million in the treatment group have died, and 450.9/million in the control group, relative risk 0.096.
There is no "control group" but there are a hell of a lot of assumptions being made.

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posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 12:52 AM
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originally posted by: kwakakev

It has been in Melbourne to help implement its Biosecurity act.


That is an out and out falsehood and you should apologize to the forum unless you can provide an OFFICIAL link to such a 'classification'.

The most recent advice from the Australian Government Department of Health Therapeutic Goods Administration specifically states that

In recent days there has been considerable focus on the potential for hydroxychloroquine and the similar compound chloroquine (which is not marketed in Australia) to help in treating COVID-19.

Hydroxychloroquine is used for treatment of malaria and certain autoimmune diseases.

Recent reports of increased off-label prescribing of medicines containing hydroxychloroquine have raised concerns that this will create a potential shortage of this product in Australia.


(New restrictions on prescribing hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19)

Note that it DOES NOT say that HCQ is a poison - it says that it is used for "treatment of malaria and certain autoimmune diseases". Of course any drug that is misused can be a "poison". My brother-in-law used to carry around a little bottle of strychnine pills for his heart. I don't think they use it that way anymore, but they certainly use it as rat poison. You wouldn't want to overdose on heart medicine.

HCQ usage labels indicate that if you overdose on HCQ (take too many pills maybe) you need to call the Poison Hotline - which is the service operated by each State. An HCQ overdose could be pretty scary (not to mention deadly):


HCQ is rapidly absorbed from the GI tract which leads to early onset of symptoms, usually within the first 1-3 hours after an overdose. In addition to the cardiac manifestations as mentioned above, other clinical features include:

Mild toxicity:

  • Nausea, vomiting, and weakness
  • Hallucinations and psychosis


Severe toxicity:

  • EKG abnormalities can include: QRS prolongation, AV block, QTc prolongation, ST and T wave depression, and increased U waves
  • Decreased level of consciousness, delirium and/or seizures


Life-threatening toxicity:

  • Respiratory depression
  • Several electrolyte abnormalities including hypoglycemia and hypokalemia (which can be profound)
  • Cardiac dysrhythmias




It also says that off-label prescribing may cause a shortage.

It then goes on to say that to prevent that shortage materializing, HCQ may henceforth only be prescribed by specific practitioner groups.

To limit use of hydroxychloroquine to currently approved indications, there have been new restrictions placed on who can initiate therapy using it. Only certain types of specialists will be able to prescribe hydroxychloroquine to new patients (see information for health professionals below). General practitioners and other medical practitioners (e.g. hospital Resident Medical Officers (RMOS) and doctors in training) can continue to prescribe repeats for hydroxychloroquine to patients in line with the registered indications for patients in whom the medication was prescribed prior to 24 March 2020. From 24 March 2020, general practitioners and doctors in training can only prescribe these medicines for continued treatment of patients where initial treatment has been authorised by one of the specialists.


No where in the guidance is HCQ 'classified' as a poison. NO WHERE. Nor is is classified as a poison anywhere else on the TGA information that I searched.

Furthermore, I see that one of the approved uses for HCQ is for treatment of rheumatoid arthritis. I might just be prescribed this stuff in the near future, and I'm glad its being reserved for something it may actually benefit.



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 02:39 AM
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That is an out and out falsehood and you should apologize to the forum unless you can provide an OFFICIAL link to such a 'classification'.


I am not the one suppressing a life saving treatment in the middle of a pandemic so more intrusive lock downs can take place. I apologize for nothing in relation to this.
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posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 03:39 AM
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I am not the one suppressing a life saving treatment


What life saving treatment? Where is it demonstrated that HCQ is an effective treatment against COVID-19?

Not your personal opinion.

Not what you speculate

Not what other local docters report

Actual substantive outcomes, studies, demonstrating this. Stop talking, start walking.



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 04:07 AM
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Just saw this on the hedge figured it would add to the conversation:

www.zerohedge.com...

Basically 3 doctors 2 being from California have penned a detailed list of their complaints with dr. Fauxi and his bs-ing with American's health and freedom while trying everything in his power to mislead the public about hydroxychloroquine.

Excerpts below:

"physicians worldwide discovered that high-risk patients can be treated successfully as an outpatient, within the first 5 to 7 days of the onset of symptoms, with a “cocktail” consisting of hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and azithromycin (or doxycycline".

"Dr. Harvey Risch, the renowned Yale epidemiologist, published an article in May 2020 in the American Journal of Epidemiology titled “Early Outpatient Treatment of Symptomatic, High-Risk COVID-19 Patients that Should be Ramped-Up Immediately as Key to Pandemic Crisis”. He further published an article in Newsweek in July 2020 for the general public expressing the same conclusions and opinions. Dr. Risch is an expert at evaluating research data and study designs, publishing over 300 articles. Dr Risch’s assessment is that there is unequivocal evidence for the early and safe use of the “HCQ cocktail.” If there are Q-T interval concerns, doxycycline can be substituted for azithromycin as it has activity against RNA viruses without any cardiac effects."


It sounds to me like America's frontline Drs. are getting fed up with all the lies!

When the truth finally comes out regarding the political games that were played costing American lives and livelihoods heads might roll.
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posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 04:33 AM
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Is Dr. Harvey Risch lying then ? i,d like to hear peoples answers, Simple YES or NO answer will do .a reply to: Stevenmonet


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posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 07:56 AM
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Is Dr. Harvey Risch lying?


No.



posted on Aug, 16 2020 @ 04:55 PM
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Is Dr. Harvey Risch lying then


Presenting a hypothesis isn't lying, however insisting it's proof of something working over actual substancetive evidence out there is questionable.

This, from Dr Sten H. Vermund, Dean and Anna M.R. Lauder Professor of Public Health; Professor of Pediatrics, Yale School of Medicine.

Statement Regarding Hydroxychloroquine


Yale-affiliated physicians used HCQ early in the response to COVID-19, but it is only used rarely at present due to evidence that it is ineffective and potentially risky. The Food and Drug Administration of the U.S. Public Health Service issued the following statement (in part):

June 15, 2020 Update: Based on ongoing analysis and emerging scientific data, FDA has revoked the emergency use authorization (EUA) to use hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat COVID-19 in certain hospitalized patients when a clinical trial is unavailable or participation is not feasible. We made this determination based on recent results from a large, randomized clinical trial in hospitalized patients that found these medicines showed no benefit for decreasing the likelihood of death or speeding recovery. This outcome was consistent with other new data, including those showing the suggested dosing for these medicines are unlikely to kill or inhibit the virus that causes COVID-19. As a result, we determined that the legal criteria for the EUA are no longer met.

As Dean of the Yale School of Public Health where Dr. Risch is employed, I have championed maintaining open academic discourse, including what some may view as unpopular voices.


Yale Doc Backing HCQ Cites Questionable Data


Just this week, about two dozen of Risch's Yale colleagues published an open letter on Medium, acknowledging his renown in cancer epidemiology but criticizing his "ardent advocacy" for HCQ. The letter notes that Risch is "not an expert in infectious disease epidemiology and he has not been swayed by the body of scientific evidence from rigorously conducted clinical trials which refute the plausibility of his belief and arguments."


Draw a clear line in the sand and tell us who you think is lying?

Dr. Birx: Randomized trials show benefit for remdesivir, but not hydroxychloroquine

Dr. Fauci says all the ‘valid’ scientific data shows hydroxychloroquine isn’t effective in treating coronavirus

The World Health Organisation: Studies show hydroxychloroquine does not have clinical benefits in treating COVID-19

WHO says trials show malaria and HIV drugs don't cut Covid-19 hospital deaths

NIH Halts Hydroxychloroquine Study; Says 'Unlikely' To Help COVID-19 Patients

British Heart Foundation: Why hydroxychloroquine isn't a "miracle cure" for coronavirus

Do not use hydroxychloroquine for COVID: National Taskforce (Australia)

Because on one side we have bodies of information, studies, showing the ineffectiveness of HCQ, and on the other, pure speculation, reports and hypothesis.

And don't you worry, I fully expect you to respond with a broken down, stroke ridden, brief again. You've been a little mouse chirping in the background for some time now. This is beyond you and some others here I know (we can blame partisan blinders in part for that), but the point driven here is for others to see (whether on the side of HCQ or not).



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 01:35 AM
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I,ve never replied to you because of your condescending attitude , its that simple and your agenda is plain to see as well. Have fun ROTFL a reply to: Southern Guardian



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 01:47 AM
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originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: carewemust

He's not doing anything at all to safeguard Americans.

We don't need a vaccine if we already have effective therapeutics.

We have more than enough time to work on a safe SARS-CoV vaccine without doing the insane # we're doing to ourselves now.

Covid-19 is on its way to becoming like other communicable diseases, like the common Flu...killing about 20,000 people @ year and barely noticeable in the overall scheme of things. (7,400 die every day in America. That's the "overall scheme of things".)



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 01:58 AM
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originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: rnaa


That is an out and out falsehood and you should apologize to the forum unless you can provide an OFFICIAL link to such a 'classification'.


I am not the one suppressing a life saving treatment in the middle of a pandemic so more intrusive lock downs can take place. I apologize for nothing in relation to this.


You are the one that is lying about what is and what is not 'classified' as a 'poison'.

I am not asking you to apologize for your opinion, I'm demanding that you apologize for lying to support your opinion.



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 03:07 AM
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Well how do you describe it when a proven prophylaxis treatment is being restricted during a pandemic?

Does genocide fit better?



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 05:25 AM
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Well how do you describe it when a proven prophylaxis treatment is being restricted during a pandemic?

Does genocide fit better?


I describe it like this. Dr. Fauci calls the drug (HCQ) that's been on
the market for 70 yrs. with 2300 doctors from 30 different countries
describing it as the best way to treat covid 19. And he calls that
data anecdotal. Because there is no double blind controlled placebo
study. While the AMA is telling doctors they will lose their lic. if
they use HCQ to treat covid.

By this alone hands down Fauci looks like a total crook who has a
huge interest in the vaccine. I wonder if there'll be a double blind
placebo study of his vaccine?

HCQ is an essential medicine used world wide and their keeping it
from Americans.

But there's nothing corrupt about that at all.

PPHHHHHHEFFF! Cheese n rice how lame can these people be kwak?



posted on Aug, 17 2020 @ 06:12 AM
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There is no good reason to ban two potential ‘COVID cures’



Sky News host Andrew Bolt says a second wave has made politicians more desperate to offer hope of a vaccine in the near future, but there may be “two such cures” available now. On Sunday, Health Minister Greg Hunt provided hope to Australians by declaring a vaccine may be available by mid-2021.

“What if there already was a cure out there – so cheap, using generic drugs? What if we didn't need to see people dying right now? What if we didn't need these lockdowns,” Mr Bolt said.

“Thing is, there may be two such cures. Both cheap, generic drugs. But that's perhaps why there's no buzz about them.

“There's no big money in generic, no label drugs for the big pharma companies”. Mr Bolt pointed to both Hydroxychloroquine with Zinc, and Ivermectin as possible treatments for COVID-19, with both being readily available, despite government bans on GPs prescribing them.

“Listen, I don’t know if these drugs work, but I do not see good reason to ban or restrict them, if they are used under the supervision of your doctor.”


I agree, I don't see a good reason to ban or restrict these drugs either.



posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 02:26 AM
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originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: rnaa

Well how do you describe it when a proven prophylaxis treatment is being restricted during a pandemic?

Does genocide fit better?


You are lying again. There is no such 'proven prophylaxis' treatment being restricted.

Cut it out.



posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 02:30 AM
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the drug (HCQ) that's been on the market for 70 yrs.


For the treatment of MALARIA.

Penicillin has been has been on the market for more than 75 years too. Why aren't you clamoring to promote penicillin as a Covid-19 treatment?



posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 03:09 AM
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You are lying again. There is no such 'proven prophylaxis' treatment being restricted. Cut it out.


You are projecting again. How someone can make it this far into this thread and not see any restrictions taking place is beyond me.

If you don't want to take HCQ that is fine, your body, your choice. I do want to take it if the need arises and I resent anyone trying to kill me.



posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 12:40 PM
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Weekly Update --- Good News: Fauci’s Out and Common Sense Might Be Returning


It took a couple of weeks from the start of this thread, thankfully it is good to see Fauci leaving. Dr Scott Atlas looks to be the one replacing him at the White House.



posted on Aug, 18 2020 @ 12:41 PM
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For the treatment of MALARIA.

Penicillin has been has been on the market for more than 75 years too. Why aren't you clamoring to promote penicillin as a Covid-19 treatment?


Yep that's why it's been around for seventy years you're pretty sharp. But
2300 doctors aren't telling people penicillin is a successful treatment for
covid Einstein.



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