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posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 01:37 PM
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"Are we witnessing the rise of a new Nazi empire?"

HELL YES!!

Bush and all the rest of there scum saw that grand daddy bush got away with it! When they saw that, it was like a green light to continue with there vulgar plan of world domination. Birds of a feather, flock together!

Burn them all!




posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 02:09 PM
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Ok tr,
I don't understand.

Do you mean would the people of the United States rebel and protest against the installment of socialism?
Or do you mean would the United States fight back if it wasn't the strongest country in the world?
Either way, the answer is yes.

Tassadar



posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 09:12 PM
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This is only patriot act 1 folks, patriot act 1 + 2 = everything on hitlers wishlist x100000000. Time to wake up folks. This shiat was obvious 2 years ago, becoming reality NOW.


Resolution Title: Austin Liberty Preservation Resolution
Drafted by Texans for Freedom, President Alex Jones on 01/07/02

Summary: Resolution to Oppose the USA Patriot Act, Homeland Security's Activation of NORTHCOM, the Designation of the United States as a Nation under Military Law under the NORTHCOM, and Related Unconstitutional Executive Orders and Presidential Decision Directives.

WHEREAS, the City of Austin was founded and exists according to the laws of the Texas State Constitution and the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights, both of which guarantee the citizenry the protection of the unalienable rights granted them by their Creator; and

WHEREAS, the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights and the Texas State Constitution guarantee all persons living in the United States these inviolate rights including - freedom of speech; freedom of religion, assembly and petition; the right of privacy under the Fourth Amendment protecting the population from unreasonable searches and seizures; due process and equal protection to all people; equity before the law and the presumption of innocence; the right to hear the charges against you and to face your accuser; access to council and judicial proceedings; and the right to a fair, speedy and public trial; and

WHEREAS, the USA Patriot Act signed by George W. Bush on October 26, 2001 has hundreds of provisions that contradict the above mentioned rights, and in the words of Texas' District 14 Representative in Congress, Ron Paul, "Our forefathers would think it's time for a revolution...This is why they revolted in the first place...They revolted against much more mild oppression."(Ron Paul speaking about the Patriot Act in Insight Magazine, article title: Police State published Nov 9, 2001); and

WHEREAS, examples of the provisions in the USA Patriot Act, Homeland Security NORTHCOM, Executive Orders, and Presidential Decision Directives are designed specifically and are being implemented to violate the United States Constitution and the Texas State Constitution as well as the rights outlined in city charters are as listed:

- Gives the Attorney General and Secretary of State the power to designate domestic groups including political and religious organizations as "terrorist organizations" under the "Enemy Combatant" designation

-The "Enemy Combatant" designation gives law enforcement the unprecedented power to secretly seize citizens and non-citizens without ever charging them with a crime, and the dictatorial elements of the Federal Government claim the right to detain these "Enemy Combatants" indefinitely, at secret, secure military installations inside and outside the United States and to deny them legal representation, all of this while never being charging them with a crime or telling them why they are being held. The Justice Department also claims the right to execute those designated "Enemy Combatant" in secret after a trial by secret military tribunal.

-Grants power to the Attorney General to subject citizens of other nations to indefinite detention as well as transporting them to third-party countries like Egypt and Morocco, where the Justice Department claims they can legally be tortured

-Authorizes total surveillance on confidential communications between attorneys and their clients in Federal custody in terrorism and non-terrorism cases

-Limits disclosure of public documents and records under the Freedom of Information Act

-Changes the definition in the United States code of the term "Domestic Terrorism." In Section 802 of HR 3162, known as the USA Patriot Act the new definition is amended to include "acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State." Under the new definition, the violation of any Federal or State law could generate a Justice Department designation of "Enemy Combatant" to the accused, who would then become subject to all the dictatorial horrors this designation brings as detailed above

-Section 213 of the USA Patriot Act allows any branch of the Federal or State Governments to break into your home or business, to remove any items (or place items) they wish without a warrant and without informing the person or business of this total violation of the Fourth Amendment.

-Section 213 of the USA Patriot Act also decapitates the First Amendment protection of Freedom of Speech by forcing silence on those victimized by their Unconstitutional, warrantless searches.

-Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act gives law enforcement expanded authority to obtain library and book store records (violating the Fourth Amendment) all the while prohibiting librarians and store workers from informing patrons of monitoring or information requests (violating the First Amendment)

-The USA Patriot Act is the enabling legislation empowering the reorganization from the International to the local level through the Homeland Security enforcement mechanism. The reorganization of the government under Homeland Security is centralized in the new North American Military Command. We are witnessing a complete transformation of the governmental structures in America. The new system that is emerging, what President George W. Bush calls "the Homeland" is right out of a college textbook detailing the development, expansion and maintenance of dictatorships. The Homeland Security system is the institutionalization of a military-industrial complex dictatorship. It is all color of law, finding its roots in Imperial Rome and fascist Germany.

-There are 1016 sections to the USA Patriot Act. It significantly expands the government's ability to access sensitive medical, mental health, financial, and educational records about individuals. It removes any burden of proof required to conduct telephone and Internet surveillance.

-The Office of Homeland Security and its Department of Total Information Awareness Network, run by convicted felon Admiral John Poindexter has proudly announced that every phone call we make, fax we send, letter we mail, and magazine we subscribe to will be carefully scrutinized.

-The Office of Homeland Security has also stated that it will contract with private corporations to carry out warrantless surveillance and data collection against the American people, creating a seamless web of Big Brother tyranny.

-The United States military is being authorized to designate American citizens "Enemy Combatants" and is being given the job to patrol America internally, in complete violation of the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act that strictly forbids military forces engaging in search and seizure operations inside the United States.

-The Pentagon has announced its wish to put 356,000 troops on the streets of America to engage in law enforcement activities. The Pentagon has stated that their mission of fighting terrorism includes fighting crime of all types.

-The Pentagon has also signed agreements with Canada and Mexico to bring foreign armies into the continental United States for "peacekeeping and anti-terror operations."

WHEREAS, the President and his allied agencies are using the crisis of September 11th to attack the bedrock freedoms that are the birth right of all Americans and that our Veterans have fought and died to preserve and protect; and

WHEREAS, over thirty cities in the United Sates have passed similar resolutions condemning the wholesale dismantling of our Constitutional Republic; and

RESOLVED that the City of Austin affirms its strong opposition to terrorism, but also affirms that any efforts to end terrorism not be used as a pretext to destroy the fundamental rights and liberties of the people of Austin, Texas, the United States and the world; and be it

FURTHER RESOLVED that the actions of the USA Patriot Act, Homeland Security's Activation of NORTHCOM, the Designation of the United States as a Nation under Military Law under the NORTHCOM, and Related Unconstitutional Executive Orders and Presidential Decision Directives are aiding, by their bad example, the spread of a worldwide governmental movement in which this model for total dictatorship is duplicated to the detriment of the human condition; and be it

FURTHER RESOLVED that the City of Austin, Texas affirms the rights of all people, including United States citizens and citizens of other nations living within the City in accordance with the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence; and be it

FURTHER RESOLVED that, to the extent legally possible, no City employee or department shall assist or voluntarily cooperate with investigations, interrogations, or arrest procedures, public or clandestine, that are in violation of individuals' God-given rights that are simply enumerated by the first ten amendments to the United States Constitution; and be it
FURTHER RESOLVED that the Austin City Council calls upon all private citizens and organizations including residents, employers, educators, and business owners to protect and defend the United States Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic and to demonstrate outspoken respect for the rights that have been paid for with so much blood by veterans and patriots throughout time, and to study the Bill of Rights so that they can recognize and resist attempts to undermine our Constitutional Republic and the system that has brought our civilization so much success; and be it

FURTHER RESOLVED that the City of Austin call on our United States Representatives and Senators to monitor the implementation of the USA Patriot Act, Homeland Security's Activation of NORTHCOM, the Designation of the United States as a Nation under Military Law under the NORTHCOM, and Related Unconstitutional Executive Orders and Presidential Decision Directives cited herein and to actively work for the repeal of them as well as the repeal of all Unconstitutional laws that violate the fundamental rights and liberties as stated in the United States Constitution and its amendments.

Introduced for the people of Central Texas' consideration by Texans for Freedom President Alex Jones

Note: Resolutions similar to this one have passed in at least 30 other cities across America, with hundreds of other city and county governments considering passage of similar resolutions. As news spreads of what Homeland Security is really doing to our beloved American system, resistance will only spread. This document is an adaptation of resolutions passed in other cities. The writer felt it was vitally important to add more detail and to expose the role of Homeland Security and NORTHCOM if this scientifically-crafted takeover is to be stopped.

It is so important to America's future that cities or counties considering this resolution research the facts contained in this declaration. If our local governments are made up of good men and women, then they will have no other choice but to pass this or a similar resolution and to carry it out for the welfare of the citizenry. Liberty should not be a left-right issue. No matter what area of the political spectrum you see yourself occupying, you need to know that we all lose under the Homeland Security



posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 09:39 PM
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It would be fun if some would transfer discussions over to my "Government" thread where we can include actually discussing Federalism and the Constitutions of the whole US and such, to better understand what's going on.

And like-wise to understand that if the patriot act is unconstitutional it can not apply.



posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 09:43 PM
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And like-wise to understand that if the patriot act is unconstitutional it can not apply. Posted by Freemason

Dont know if you have read Patriot II or not, but its very text invalidates and repeals large portions of the constitution.

Doesnt seem to matter if it is unconstitutional or not to those set to vote on it.



posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 10:00 PM
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Congress trashed the Constitution years ago when it passed Title 26 (Internal Revenue Code) with an "expansive includes" as part of the act. This gives the IRS the right to make law (which is unconstitutional). As far as the US not being socialistic, well items such as Social Security and a graduated income tax are prime examples of socialism. Since almost every one holds a Social Security Number, this almost every one in an equity relationship with the federal government and the constitution now longer applies in an equity relationship (check out equity, or contract law). As far as the cities and states not upholding the Patriot Act, well because of preemptive taxation the states must rely on federal money to operate. What Congress will do will withhold federal money from any state which does not implement the Patriot Act. Face the slide to fascism is going into high gear.



posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 10:03 PM
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Seems like you don't know the constitution very well Dragonrider.

I don't know if I can find where it is specifically said, but if a law is made that is unconstitutional. No person is required to obey that law, and when a person is arrested or such under that law's provisions it can then be brought to the supreme court (not before...but then), where they can decide if it is indeed unconstitutional or not.

So I can make a law that says that I can set fire to a person's house if they have a rifle. If I attempt to enforce the law it can then be brought to the Supreme Court and shot down because it violates the second amendment.



posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 10:06 PM
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Well Freemason, I see that you have never been in federal court.



posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 10:07 PM
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This is an excerpt from the text of the Patriot II bill. Keep in mind, it is moving through congress as we speak.

As I mentioned before, the constitution will be totally meaningless, if this is voted on, and congress willingly and knowingly erases the very constitutional protections that you quote.

You can read the entire 87-page draft here. Constitutional watchdog Nat Hentoff has called it "the most radical government plan in our history to remove from Americans their liberties under the Bill of Rights." Some of DSEA's more draconian provisions:



Americans could have their citizenship revoked, if found to have contributed "material support" to organizations deemed by the government, even retroactively, to be "terrorist." As Hentoff wrote in the Feb. 28 Village Voice: "Until now, in our law, an American could only lose his or her citizenship by declaring a clear intent to abandon it. But and read this carefully from the new bill 'the intent to relinquish nationality need not be manifested in words, but can be inferred from conduct.'" (Italics Hentoff's.)



Legal permanent residents (like, say, my French wife), could be deported instantaneously, without a criminal charge or even evidence, if the Attorney General considers them a threat to national security. If they commit minor, non-terrorist offenses, they can still be booted out, without so much as a day in court, because the law would exempt habeas corpus review in some cases. As the American Civil Liberties Union stated in its long brief against the DSEA, "Congress has not exempted any person from habeas corpus a protection guaranteed by the Constitution since the Civil War."



The government would be instructed to build a mammoth database of citizen DNA information, aimed at "detecting, investigating, prosecuting, preventing or responding to terrorist activities." Samples could be collected without a court order; one need only be suspected of wrongdoing by a law enforcement officer. Those refusing the cheek-swab could be fined $200,000 and jailed for a year. "Because no federal genetic privacy law regulates DNA databases, privacy advocates fear that the data they contain could be misused," Wired News reported March 31. "People with 'flawed' DNA have already suffered genetic discrimination at the hands of employers, insurance companies and the government."



Authorities could wiretap anybody for 15 days, and snoop on anyone's Internet usage (including chat and email), all without obtaining a warrant.



The government would be specifically instructed not to release any information about detainees held on suspicion of terrorist activities, until they are actually charged with a crime. Or, as Hentoff put it, "for the first time in U.S. history, secret arrests will be specifically permitted."



Businesses that rat on their customers to the Feds even if the information violates privacy agreements, or is, in fact, dead wrong would be granted immunity. "Such immunity," the ACLU contended, "could provide an incentive for neighbor to spy on neighbor and pose problems similar to those inherent in Attorney General Ashcroft's Operation TIPS."



Police officers carrying out illegal searches would also be granted legal immunity if they were just carrying out orders.



Federal "consent decrees" limiting local law enforcement agencies' abilities to spy on citizens in their jurisdiction would be rolled back. As Howard Simon, executive director of Florida's ACLU, noted in a March 19 column in the Sarasota Herald Tribune: "The restrictions on political surveillance were hard-fought victories for civil liberties during the 1970s."



American citizens could be subject to secret surveillance by their own government on behalf of foreign countries, including dictatorships.



The death penalty would be expanded to cover 15 new offenses.



And many of PATRIOT I's "sunset provisions" stipulating that the expanded new enforcement powers would be rescinded in 2005 would be erased from the books, cementing Ashcroft's rushed legislation in the law books. As UPI noted March 10, "These sunset provisions were a concession to critics of the bill in Congress."


www.alternet.org...

www.publicintegrity.org...

For the entire 87 page draft.



posted on Jul, 14 2003 @ 10:21 PM
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I will comment in Bold.


Originally posted by dragonrider
This is an excerpt from the text of the Patriot II bill. Keep in mind, it is moving through congress as we speak.

As I mentioned before, the constitution will be totally meaningless, if this is voted on, and congress willingly and knowingly erases the very constitutional protections that you quote.

Nothing erases the constitutional protections

You can read the entire 87-page draft here. Constitutional watchdog Nat Hentoff has called it "the most radical government plan in our history to remove from Americans their liberties under the Bill of Rights." Some of DSEA's more draconian provisions:



Americans could have their citizenship revoked, if found to have contributed "material support" to organizations deemed by the government, even retroactively, to be "terrorist." As Hentoff wrote in the Feb. 28 Village Voice: "Until now, in our law, an American could only lose his or her citizenship by declaring a clear intent to abandon it. But and read this carefully from the new bill 'the intent to relinquish nationality need not be manifested in words, but can be inferred from conduct.'" (Italics Hentoff's.)

This I might not disagree with I must see how it is specifically written and what its context applies to.

Legal permanent residents (like, say, my French wife), could be deported instantaneously, without a criminal charge or even evidence, if the Attorney General considers them a threat to national security. If they commit minor, non-terrorist offenses, they can still be booted out, without so much as a day in court, because the law would exempt habeas corpus review in some cases. As the American Civil Liberties Union stated in its long brief against the DSEA, "Congress has not exempted any person from habeas corpus a protection guaranteed by the Constitution since the Civil War."

habeas corpus has been exempted before however, and naturalization is not protected in the constitution, if it becomes a uniform perameter to deport, then it still fits the guidelines because there is nothing stating what the laws of naturalization and deportation to "legally" naturalized citizens are.

The government would be instructed to build a mammoth database of citizen DNA information, aimed at "detecting, investigating, prosecuting, preventing or responding to terrorist activities." Samples could be collected without a court order; one need only be suspected of wrongdoing by a law enforcement officer. Those refusing the cheek-swab could be fined $200,000 and jailed for a year. "Because no federal genetic privacy law regulates DNA databases, privacy advocates fear that the data they contain could be misused," Wired News reported March 31. "People with 'flawed' DNA have already suffered genetic discrimination at the hands of employers, insurance companies and the government."

misused yes, needs only be challenged. 200,000 dollars and a year in jail is impossible as a year or more is imprisonment and requires a felony and thus a criminal trial. All this can be brought down by the Supreme Court or does not need to be adhered to by the people.

Authorities could wiretap anybody for 15 days, and snoop on anyone's Internet usage (including chat and email), all without obtaining a warrant.

Odd but no real infringement of the constitution yet

The government would be specifically instructed not to release any information about detainees held on suspicion of terrorist activities, until they are actually charged with a crime. Or, as Hentoff put it, "for the first time in U.S. history, secret arrests will be specifically permitted."

Another odd one, but it's falling more under Emergency War Powers Acts than anything else

Businesses that rat on their customers to the Feds even if the information violates privacy agreements, or is, in fact, dead wrong would be granted immunity. "Such immunity," the ACLU contended, "could provide an incentive for neighbor to spy on neighbor and pose problems similar to those inherent in Attorney General Ashcroft's Operation TIPS."

Well you can't swear in court wrong information so what does that matter?

Police officers carrying out illegal searches would also be granted legal immunity if they were just carrying out orders.

Yes well this same immunity was given to Nazi subordinants, but did not save those issuing the Orders

Federal "consent decrees" limiting local law enforcement agencies' abilities to spy on citizens in their jurisdiction would be rolled back. As Howard Simon, executive director of Florida's ACLU, noted in a March 19 column in the Sarasota Herald Tribune: "The restrictions on political surveillance were hard-fought victories for civil liberties during the 1970s."



American citizens could be subject to secret surveillance by their own government on behalf of foreign countries, including dictatorships.



The death penalty would be expanded to cover 15 new offenses.

What are the offenses?

And many of PATRIOT I's "sunset provisions" stipulating that the expanded new enforcement powers would be rescinded in 2005 would be erased from the books, cementing Ashcroft's rushed legislation in the law books. As UPI noted March 10, "These sunset provisions were a concession to critics of the bill in Congress."


www.alternet.org...

www.publicintegrity.org...

For the entire 87 page draft.


Ok I must note I never said I agreed with the Patriot Acts, but it's vague in many places which is why it is even debatable....but I doubt it will last very long before it is deemed Unconstitutional.



posted on Jul, 15 2003 @ 08:35 AM
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Hey,
Dragonrider is right. The Constitution is just a figure for the public to believe in.

The Supreme Court has no power
Do you think the military/President/whoever is gonna listen to 9 old guys in a court? The Supreme Court has no army. They are protected by the FBI who's director reports to the President. The people hate them. There are more protests at the Supreme Court than at the Capitol and White House.

Your Supreme Court has no power FreeMason. Hell, I wouldn't listen to them.

Tassadar



posted on Jul, 18 2003 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by IronDragon
People who think the "Danger" will never be over are wrong. Terrorism requires infrastructure, it is not the Anarchy it seems to be. Posted by Freemason

Yeah, " anarchy" isn't organized or orchestrated....that'd be a contradiction...
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I think you didnt quite understand my point above... indeed, terrorism by an external agency would be difficult to maintain for long periods, and could be destroyed given proper intelligence and military capabilities. However, when the threat of terrorism is gone, gone too are the reasons for oppressing the public.

As the reason for the FEMA protocols were originally to provide a legitimate reason to suspend constitutional protections of the population and thereby to oppress the population, once triggered, there is no way back.

My contention is that once the FEMA protocols are triggered, even if the external threat (if indeed there ever was one) is eliminated, another threat will be necessary to maintain legitimacy of the new constitutionless society. If no suitable external threat is evident, one will be manufactured by the ruling government itself.

Did you ever read 1984? There were no actual wars going on, they were simply orchestrated to keep the population diverted and on the edge of panic and starvation, and therefore very easy to control.


Very good point...
Its difficult to really voice an opinion re: the Patriot Act or FEMA protocol as I am removed from my country of birth_and see her actions from a different perspective over here.
However it smacks of totalitarianism and so does this commonly voiced sympathy:

[B] " If you aren't one of US you are one of THEM"[/B]

I do not support this administration and oppose the brute force with which my native land is conducting international affairs. I feel this leader has very little experience in this world, not Texas.
is Hitleresque to a tee...He enforced these indoctrinations obviously and ordinary citizens became internal goverment spies, in effect. ( like the Patriot Act?)


[Edited on 18-7-2003 by Zina]



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 10:28 AM
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...rise of new nazi empire...?

personnally, i cannot see naziism in the bizzare mutation
of America or is it US, USA, North America???

I see a fascism re-emerging, yes,
nationalization of RR was the 'palateable' beginning,
govt squeezing the tobacco corps of capital,,,,a cash cow
the eventual absorbsation of the pharmacutical industry
into a hybid HEW DEPT.

the nazi re-emergence might better be sought within
the framework of religious establishments...
and there are two contenders for a neo-nazi empire...
catholics or muslims
although neither are presently nazi like
events & circumstance might lead one of these into a
nazi-esque model of organization
jesuits or wahabi??

hey, enjoy the journey



posted on Jul, 19 2003 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by dragonrider
And like-wise to understand that if the patriot act is unconstitutional it can not apply. Posted by Freemason

Dont know if you have read Patriot II or not, but its very text invalidates and repeals large portions of the constitution.

Doesnt seem to matter if it is unconstitutional or not to those set to vote on it.


For lack of knowledge, my people perish.

The Patriot Act cannot repeal or invalidate any portion, much less large portions of the constitution for the united states of America. Why not? because you may not alter the constitution in such a manner. The Patriot Act is not an amendement.

Ok, Crowne, then why do they do such things to begin with? Are they in violation?
No, the government is not in violation. It will not violate. Some people in the government may violate, some organizations may step on it from time to time, but the government is always right. Its your job to find out how they do things that may seem contradictory and yet not be in violation.

Here I go again, because I've been down this path before. If Martial Law has been implemented and never recinded, then how is the constitution in operation? If we are not operating on the constitution, how can we be concerned about an act violating the constitution?
If they mention the constitution every so often and appear to measure laws as well as cases against the constitution, will the citizenry ever wake up and smell the destruction of their way of life?

Look around and see what seems out of step with how things "ought to be". What got me thinking many years ago was the second amendment. They seem to violate the second amendment with audacious aggression, but they must have their bases covered, so I wanted to figure out how.
The evidence is all around you, you just have to have the knowledge to recognize it for what it is. You cannot blame your ignorance (ignore-ance, ignoring fact, evidence or the law) on them.



posted on Jul, 22 2003 @ 04:45 PM
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WHILE YOUSE GUYS...are being distracted ...with the
martial law, Exeuctive Order (superceeding Constitution)
Patriot Acts 1,2 & 3?? ...and all the mish-mash type of
rhetorical quandries & Paradoxes...the Antagonist is
on the rise!!!

consider: where did the 'Palestinians' conduct the
...............Olympics massacre?

where did 9-11 leader M. Atta find years of safe refuge

who allows known terrorists a safe haven?
(sheikh Rahman among the many known)

Jihad-ist militant Islam, makes required reading in the
MADRASSAHS (schools)...martyrdom & abide the Fatwas
and the fairly new..Arabic version of MEIN KAMPF...

all around you grows the German-Islam-Arab [Reich 4th]

history provides factual evidence of nazi-arab
'cooperation' from the 1930's on--= till VE day


& U thought Patagonia was the place of nazi excape!

well...enjoy your journey [in life]



posted on Jul, 22 2003 @ 05:50 PM
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I have lived and worked all over this land. Politically I find Alaska to be superior, its lack of population and expanse of space make interdependancy a requirement of survival and one listens to what he hears. The legislature here responds immeadiately to the voice it hears, it has to.
Points of interest
we have more vets per capita than any other state
the military spends more per capita here than any other state
we have the smallest population except for Wyoming
democracy thrives in Alaska more than any other state I have lived in

We are proud of our freedom and our military for we are the military and we are free here

Do not confuse politicis, right or left, with patriotisim. And do not assume politicians are patriotic or american. They are in it for the money otherwise they would be in the military or working for a living.
In closing this is no time to make mistakes or enimies.

========================================



Toughen Patriot Act, attorney general says
CONTROVERSY: Law gives government broader powers for searches, monitoring phones.


By KATIE PESZNECKER and NICOLE TSONG
Anchorage Daily News

(Published: July 22, 2003)

United States Attorney General John Ashcroft told federal and local officials Monday the USA Patriot Act should be expanded, not softened, even as protesters gathered nearby and the Anchorage Assembly and state Legislature have passed resolutions protesting the national anti-terrorism law.

Ashcroft charged critics with misconstruing a law that he said broadens the government's ability to nab terrorists. He would like to amplify those powers, he said.

"This is not something novel or new or different," Ashcroft said. "The Patriot Act is simply a way to extend a robust set of tools." etc........................

The act lowers legal standards for government agents to listen to private telephone calls or search homes. It also grants federal authorities wider access to citizens' personal medical, financial and school records, library records and bookstore purchases.

Congress passed it in the emotional weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. But since then, roughly 150 local and state governments have passed resolutions protesting the act. The Alaska Legislature in May nearly unanimously passed a resolution telling local and state law enforcement to refuse to help federal agents pursuing activities approved by the act.

Last week, the Anchorage Assembly adopted a resolution requesting that Anchorage police and other city agencies refuse to help federal agents in ways that violate "the rights and liberties guaranteed equally under the state and federal constitutions."
etc..................

UAA graduate student Sol Neely was openly enthusiastic about the resolutions passed by the Anchorage Assembly and the state Legislature. Alaskans are politically conservative but respect civil rights, he said.

"That makes me very proud to be in Anchorage," Neely said.

Assemblyman Allan Tesche, who sponsored last week's Anchorage resolution, said most feedback he has heard on his resolution is positive. Expanding the Patriot Act further would be a mistake, he said.

"Before we further ratchet down on civil liberties, we need to look at (the Patriot Act) and how it has been implemented ," said Tesche, an attorney. "The overwhelming number of people support what we did. So I'm really proud to stand with the Legislature. We have done exactly the right thing."

www.adn.com...



posted on Jul, 23 2003 @ 09:45 AM
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by Thomas Jefferson

"Patrotism is a virtue of the vicious."


This man had it going down in his head. Ashcroft, Bush and everyone just want to ensure there is no signifigant resistance against the NWO.

Total Power and Invincibility are two very different things.

Tassadar

[Edited on 23-7-2003 by Tassadar]



posted on Jul, 23 2003 @ 03:36 PM
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I dont think that a Nazi empire will ever rise again.



posted on Jul, 23 2003 @ 08:37 PM
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Well lets see,

Sit back and watch little one. That is what everyone here is doing.

tut tut



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 04:43 PM
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is 11-18-2009 and this thread could not be more ironic.





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