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“Defendant Shall Not Attend Protests”: In Portland, Getting Out of Jail Requires Relinquishing

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posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 12:16 AM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

Thanks for that.

Yeah we see that play out on ats as well.




posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: SaturnFX

Stupid youtube I can't watch that.

I take it he's being a massive hypocrit.


Yeah, it basically shows the same scene, one is left at a city hall, the other some years later is the right at city hall. the left are monsters uncontrollable, the right are practicing their constitutional duty...but its the same exact scene (yelling, disrupting, etc).

So there you have it...this is never about principles, its all about if they like the message of the protest or not. If they like it, patriots that should be seen as heroes. if they don't like the messages, its criminal rabble savages.


Yes the media is full of hypocrites for their preferred party. But what does that have to do with the left trying to call looting, rioting and destroying property peaceful protests?

We have gone to a new level of idocracy.

By the way I am a Marxist socialist who thinks the left is full of sh$@. Also a Trump supporter because Bourgeois Socialism is not Marxist is Facist.


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posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 01:33 AM
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originally posted by: Isurrender73

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: SaturnFX

Stupid youtube I can't watch that.

I take it he's being a massive hypocrit.


Yeah, it basically shows the same scene, one is left at a city hall, the other some years later is the right at city hall. the left are monsters uncontrollable, the right are practicing their constitutional duty...but its the same exact scene (yelling, disrupting, etc).

So there you have it...this is never about principles, its all about if they like the message of the protest or not. If they like it, patriots that should be seen as heroes. if they don't like the messages, its criminal rabble savages.


Yes the media is full of hypocrites for their preferred party. But what does that have to do with the left trying to call looting, rioting and destroying property peaceful protests?

We have gone to a new level of idocracy.

By the way I am a Marxist socialist who thinks the left is full of sh$@. Also a Trump supporter because Bourgeois Socialism is not Marxist is Facist.


I donno man, if I had shown up at the right wing protests and started smashing windows for fun, would it suddenly be considered just a bunch of rioters?

The protests happen in the day and overall are calm and peaceful. At night, the daytime protesters go home and suddenly a whole new group of folks show up to cause havoc and mayhem

I am sure you will remember a right wing a-hole that ran his car into a bunch of protesters because it was fun...does that mean right wing folks are murderous trash who wants to slaughter protesters?


Protesting is a right for everyone. Soo far I haven't agreed with a protest in basically my life as its always taken over by overreaching messages without any clear point based in facts, or just sillyness jargon, but its their right.

When someone in a crowd acts up, I don't blame the entire crowd, I blame the person...although I do think the crowd needs to step in and stop the idiot, but goes to show you how jackasses will show up at any party.

As far as your question is concerned, no "authority" has a right to tell someone to stop expressing their opinion or legally protesting. They can put a gag order for a specific case, but not a blanket "no protesting". A protest comes in many forms, from marching down a street, to simply the latest no twitter for 48 hours (jewish protest). A order not to protest means what then, the person in question must log on to twitter and post cat photos or something? Its authoritarian to levels that China would be impressed with.

And sorry about your socialist tendencies...failed ideology
"By abolishing private ownership and establishing state control of the economy, one not only deprives society of the entrepreneurship needed to propel it forward; one also abolishes freedom itself."



posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 02:59 AM
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a reply to: SaturnFX

Good post, right on point.




I donno man, if I had shown up at the right wing protests and started smashing windows for fun, would it suddenly be considered just a bunch of rioters?


To address this point, it's coming when the right go out and protest which they will at some point agitators will ignite fires. The left wingers will declare the right wingers as criminals just as the right are doing now, talk about a vicious cycle.



posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 03:41 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: SaturnFX

Good post, right on point.




I donno man, if I had shown up at the right wing protests and started smashing windows for fun, would it suddenly be considered just a bunch of rioters?


To address this point, it's coming when the right go out and protest which they will at some point agitators will ignite fires. The left wingers will declare the right wingers as criminals just as the right are doing now, talk about a vicious cycle.



Too bad the current progressive and liberal “protests” resulted in looting and torching like dark ages barbarians. With a history of Marxist revolutions using violence. The funny thing about Marxists. If you are not with them. Your the ruling class.



posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 04:22 AM
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Maybe I am mistaken, but I have watched videos of the 'peaceful demonstrations' at the federal courthouse where there are rocks, bottles, fireworks and Molotov cocktails being thrown at the federal agents there.


Your not mistaken.

Nailes were also driven in to fireworks and launched at local and federal LEO.

Nothing those snip hats have done is protected under the Bill of rights.



posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 04:46 AM
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a reply to: neutronflux

Well it's pretty obvious at this point the only loser will be we the people, the ruling class love this division.

It's where sayings like " United we stand, divided we fall" come from.



posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 05:16 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: neutronflux

Well it's pretty obvious at this point the only loser will be we the people, the ruling class love this division.

It's where sayings like " United we stand, divided we fall" come from.


Haven’t Democrats been the “ruling” class in most of these cities seeing unrest for decades?

Young people indoctrinated by liberal collages are willing to give up the rights of the US constitution in the false hope a Marxist government will give them all they desire. And they are willing to go to a bloody revolution.



posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 05:35 AM
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Thing is there is only 1 goverment ever in power, so the sides that you think exist do not actually exist, at least in the eye of the ruling class.

If the people had enough perception to realise this they could collectively to put an end to it.

Sadly we have the people blaming each other for the poor management of the ruling class, just like a business that fails. The employees only do as they are told and have no input into how the business in ran.

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posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 06:36 AM
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You


Thing is there is only 1 goverment ever in power


In the US, then federal government is the only governing body with the authority to collects taxes? No state or local taxes?

Then Trump should just march the federal government regular army troops into Portland?

No Town vs County vs State vs Federal jurisdictions? For the US, no three co-equal branches of government in terms of authority?

I am very happy with the US divisions of government. Liberals want one centralized government with one party. With the only way to have political power is to be in the one party.



posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 02:33 PM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254

Excellent. Keep them away from the people and behavior and circumstances that prompted their initial offense. Not uncommon.



posted on Jul, 30 2020 @ 04:44 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

There needs to be some cohesion between state and federal government otherwise it's a game of pass the buck.



posted on Jul, 31 2020 @ 03:45 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: neutronflux

There needs to be some cohesion between state and federal government otherwise it's a game of pass the buck.



That’s usually hammered out in law suits and courts. But in the US constitution lays out the boundaries of federal control.



posted on Jul, 31 2020 @ 02:00 PM
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And we continue to see the Federal government piss on the Constitution due to a two block protest occurring in Portland.

I'll be interested to see how ATS' resident "Constituionalists" find a way to justify the federal government violating the First Amendment rights of citizens who have not been found guilty of anything. I'm sure you guys won't let me down.


Actual PEACEFUL PROTESTS are constitutionally upheld, yes. They should be allowed and quite honestly, need to be held more often. More so favoring those that disagree. Voices need to be heard. We are a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. Not a true democracy. People seem to forget that fact. It was intended this way sp THE PEOPLE have rights. THE PEOPLE choose their governing body. THE PEOPLE choose what laws to enact amongst those lobbied against them through the legislative branch. The problem nowdays is too many people have fallen victim to partisanism. Especially you. You’re not the only one though, dont feel bad. Many on the right have too. Partisanship is what will be the downfall of this country. It’s been an issue for 200 years and the divide has only grown deeper and deeper. Independents, even while being bipartisan, stand absolutely no chance. I, personally, would LOVE to see an Independent win presidency. Especially after the past 20 years of BS we suffered. Wedges drove between party lines, wedges driven between race, we were once united but are now “socially distanced” and beyond. The mental and emotional distance between a patriot and progressive has never been further apart. These past few years has been a melting pot to boil dissent and aggression then this year finally added the final bit of heat to make it all boil over. People need to wake up, look at the facts, put their partisanship aside, look at things from a neutral perspective and actually wake the f# up. ATS to deny ignorance... yet the majority of you thrive in a world constructed of your own ignorance

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posted on Aug, 1 2020 @ 09:58 AM
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What the hell? Why are peoples rights being removed by being a “defendant”. Simply being accused of a crime now results in the loss of rights? I don’t care if this is to stop commie antifa larpers or anyone else I might disagree with. That’s corrupt policy.

a reply to: Xcalibur254


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posted on Aug, 1 2020 @ 11:00 PM
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Speaking of two sides you think exist and having any perception that you are a political person...

You're totally right. And a lot of it comes from the either genius or obvious and simpletondom-targeted thing they do at election time which is put forward two or three issues, and no I don't mean it in the way some people will try and take it, that are really just not at all widereaching, unimportant, trivial, unsolvable or able to be taken either way by most people, etc...but at the same time, issues which trigger an emotionally charged response in pretty much anyone, whether they felt that way before it was proposed or it was sold to them subconsciously. Like Transgender bathrooms. People went nuts remember? And those are bathrooms for 0.0000001% of the population...you know, kinda like the death toll of this coronavirus.

There was a book discussed not too long ago on here and a guy who headed the CIA for like twenty years also explained that by about 1910, the US government had such reliable consequences when it came to the use of propaganda, that at that point they were able to view it basically as a science. He explained because the process is done by planning about twenty years ahead of when the results are required and then from say a kids birth at that pointz he will grow up in a world where the CIA has already worked with music industry people, TV shows, radio, print, advertising, Hollywood, etc. And believe it or not he is surrounded those 20 years with subliminal messages the CIA plants to always effect a majority of the population to bend to their will but leave a believable just under half the population so we still think it's a back and forth two party system. For 100 years, the system of doing things this way has never failed to yield the results those who really rule the world want it to go as a destination.

He concludes, quite earily, that we are the first generations who have lives or are living a life in which they know for a fact, not one of us has ever had an idea of our own. We can't, there's too much mind play going on no matter who you are for you to have your own convictions, much less actually be a blank slate



posted on Aug, 1 2020 @ 11:27 PM
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Yeah, I often point out to people that say goverment is completely inept that is a ruse. The goverment is working as it's meant to, its an illusion they work for us.

Their job is planning, it's literally all they do and they do it well, unfortunately it's not for the benefit of we the people it's to benefit their financial donors, also themselves and their buddies.



posted on Aug, 2 2020 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254Peaceful??? Are you #ing brain dead? I’ve seen guys shining lasers into federal officers eyes 2-3 blinded permanently. I’ve seen guys ATTACKING federal officers while trying to make arrests. Peaceful? Are you DRUNK or on the same meth, these guys are on? I’ve seen guys throw bottles of gas and diesel ( Molotov cocktails) trying to start fires. I’ve seen guys ignite IEDs that were bigger than some I saw in Afghanistan and directly hit federal officers, which I believe is a felony. Committing a felony gets you busted and suspended rights like voting and having a firearm. I hope these guys PEACEFULLY demonstrate in YOUR neighborhood. You said you posted some really dumb things before but this has to head your list.



posted on Aug, 5 2020 @ 04:16 PM
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Are you #ing brain dead?


Is that a rhetorical question? I think events over the past year+ has shown that statement to be in the affirmative.



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