Originally posted by mirza2003

And correction for you 1000 km range come inthe catogery of IRBM not SRBM whicht belong to Hatf, M11 or Pritvi.

its not a IRBM its a MRBM

Medium-range ballistic missile between 1000 and 3000 km

Intermediate-range ballistic missile between 3000 and 5500 km

you try to wreak someone and got wreaked yourself

Originally posted by W4rl0rD


You know the Russians gave India a lot of help with the design of the Agni variants and also supplied a lot of modified SRBMs beyond the range of 1000km... The thing is that Russia gave India as much help as China gave Pakistan with missle tech... it is not limited just to China, countries such as Russia, Ukraine and many others also proliferate missle tech. Missle tech transfer is not a direct breech of the NPT, so China isn't exactly breaking any treaty.

Well.. no exact accusations have been made vis-a-vis the russians..
Thats like saying the US must've helped the UK/France with the atomic bomb..
Infact as chinawhite pointed out, most of India's CIVILIAN Launch program was helped along by the US and the French.. DEFINITELY not with the intention of "arming" India as it were..
Also this help was with pre-SLV launches and esp. to set up the infrastructure
for Satellite launches..
It was Indian ingenuity that gathered what all it reqd. to "weaponise" the program..

Nobody gave India rocket tech with the intention of arming India..
Definitely not the US and/or ANY western country esp. during the cold war considering India's allegencies during that time

Indeed as chinawhite's article states :

No country, including India, has ever spent money on long-range rockets simply to explore space

But that's how India started off atleast..With the objective of going spaceworthy..But then 1962 happened and soon after 1964 (China goes nuclear) happened..
India was also aware that China had infact threatened of using nukes on soviet troops during that period..
India was forced to go nuclear and ballistic..

Nobody( INCLUDING USSR) just gave them missiles and said "here, these are for your neighbours there.. just point em' at them and launch away!!"..

But thats exactly what China did with Pakistan!! ..
Pakistan doesn't even have a space program!!
C'mon guys don't try and defend your govts'. action w/o understanding the true nature of its hand in missile/nuclear proliferation..

And W4rlrd.. Check my big post above.. I have not limited my accusations to ONLY missiles.. There's enough there abt nuclear weapons..Haven't you read it??

Originally posted by mirza2003
1000km range SRBM BTW i never heard that joke can plz provide a link or it is also just another !@##$$% post.

And correction for you 1000 km range come inthe catogery of IRBM not SRBM whicht belong to Hatf, M11 or Pritvi.

I don't know how to put it to you...sigh.... missles originally with a range of 700-900km range modified to have a longer range more than 1000km ranges... Like what the Russians did with the scuds...

Besides,1000km+ range counts as a MRBM and not a IRBM.

Originally posted by Daedalus3
But that's how India started off atleast..With the objective of going spaceworthy..But then 1962 happened and soon after 1964 (China goes nuclear) happened..
India was also aware that China had infact threatened of using nukes on soviet troops during that period..
India was forced to go nuclear and ballistic..

China only threatened the USSR because they had 1/4 of their army 1/4 of their airforce and 1/3 of their navy on the chinese border. thats the soviet cold war army armed to the teeth with tactical nukes chemical weapons biological weapons etc.

china didn't/doesn't need to use nukes to overcome the indian army thats why chinese troops in the west are low priority.

india wasn't forced to. they wanted nukes because china had nukes. china was hard pressed againest the soviets to een think about the indian border. there is no excuse saynig that it was chinas fault. they expoled nukes in 1997-98? when chinese indian realtions were at a whole time high and the border only had a few divisions each. is that a threat.

Nobody( INCLUDING USSR) just gave them missiles and said "here, these are for your neighbours there.. just point em' at them and launch away!!"..

china sold pakistan missiles not the warheads. dont get them confused. the USSR/russia should heaps of missiles north korea sold a esitmated 800 SRBM. china sold 100 to a close allie

C'mon guys don't try and defend your govts'. action w/o understanding the true nature of its hand in missile/nuclear proliferation..

talk talk talk........ indian propaganda. the chinese threat balh blah blah. india at the height of the cold war with china only had 400,000-500,000 soldiers supported by a few hundred aircraft againest 1million something indians. you call that a threat.

India shouldn't have attacked china first. their policy was to put border patrols as far as possible right into chinese terrioty.

Originally posted by chinawhite
india wasn't forced to. they wanted nukes because china had nukes.

SAys who?
After 1962 and 1964 any neighbour of China who had a problem with china would want nukes if they had the ability to do so.. Common sense!!

china was hard pressed againest the soviets to een think about the indian border. there is no excuse saynig that it was chinas fault. they expoled nukes in 1997-98? when chinese indian realtions were at a whole time high and the border only had a few divisions each. is that a threat.

WRONG AGAIN!!
India's first nuclear explosion was in 1974.. ten years after china.. go back to school and study..

china sold pakistan missiles not the warheads. dont get them confused. the USSR/russia should heaps of missiles north korea sold a esitmated 800 SRBM. china sold 100 to a close allie

THere are allegations for assistance with nuclear weapons as well.. didn't you read those links of mine? All those IAEA unsafegaruded transfers??
All that stuff on the ring magnets? not for missiles but for producing weapons grade nuclear material

talk talk talk........ indian propaganda. the chinese threat balh blah blah. india at the height of the cold war with china only had 400,000-500,000 soldiers supported by a few hundred aircraft againest 1million something indians. you call that a threat.

According to whom .. You again?? 1 million Indians?? when? You take that back what a bl00dy apology if you can't prove it!!

India shouldn't have attacked china first. their policy was to put border patrols as far as possible right into chinese terrioty.

Again.. give me one neutral source that says INDIA ATTACKED CHINA in 1962..
I can only see sources saying the very opposite of what you claim..

jesus if you want to get some racial jokes you can keep on saying them. but i know a lot more indian jokes..........................

Originally posted by chinawhite
jesus if you want to get some racial jokes you can keep on saying them. but i know a lot more indian jokes..........................

you are himself a joke now ger out my thread stop spaming here

[edit on 11-7-2005 by mirza2003]

this place is free speech no one owns this place(i think john bull does)

you cant keep me out its free discussion

Since this thread has turned into nothing more than an India vs. China flame war, it appears it has run it's course.

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