America's Frontline Doctors Capitol Hill Conference

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: FishBait

originally posted by: 111DPKING111
Seems early treatment with HCQ and zinc is effective and very cheap. With schools starting back up, its a shame this never got the attention it is due. Looks like we are going to put politics before the health of our children.

How a false narrative was created

Treatment cut death rate significantly

Oxford - early outpatient treatment

"These medications need to be widely available and promoted immediately for physicians to prescribe."

Not surprisingly these don't say what you want them to say. It's not a cure or a vaccine, it doesn't kill the virus. At best it helps with inflammation in your lungs which may aid recovery but there are plenty of other drugs that can do that as well. The main issue is that it's a very dangerous drug with side effects being death and blindness. You think masks are bad HQ is a 100x more dangerous. It's also not recommended for people with heart conditions or diabetes which, news flash, is a huge chunk of the US. There is a big reason this is hitting the elderly the most because they already have health issues that exacerbate the symptoms of COVID and HQ is dangerous for them to take.

And how many cases of death and blindness were proven to be caused by hydroxychloroquine? And if that is the case, why is it an OTC drug in many countries subject to malaria infections if it is so dangerous? Or does COVID-19 somehow make this treatment more dangerous than when being utilized for other ailments?

BTW, from what I seem to recall, the dosages in those above mentioned trials were a magnitude larger than what is prescribed for COVID-19 and usually devoid of the zinc support. For "scientific" tests, shouldn't details of this nature be important to make note of? Personally, I know a stacked deck when I see the hands the others are showing on the table.

I love the keyboard Dr here acting like they have a point. They are listed side effects because they come up as known hazards in the initial trials to get the drug initial approved for human consumption. This is why it doesn't happen a lot now, because we know the side effects and don't give it to people that it may be risky for.

This is how medicine works. All drugs have side effects and you do a risk reward assessment if the side effects are worth the risk of what we need to cure. In the case of COVID they have determined HQ not worth the risk vs any benefits it may have (anti-inflammatory). Most people survive COVID with little treatment even needed. Many have zero symptoms. The ones that are at risk to die from COVID also have a lot of already existent health problem. One's that also make it a bad idea to give them HQ because they are at risk for serious side effects.

It would be unethical just to give it to everyone and hope for the best. But given the endless death threats that go on around here unethical is pretty much the new motto for ATS.

thank you..your reply is very simple and very clear and common sense...came back to add THIS link www.usatoday.com...

this group has about 5000 drs as members they are making the claim of CURE... so what kind of drs are they??? While their name, America’s Frontline Doctors, suggests the speakers may work in hospital emergency rooms or intensive care units and have experience treating critically ill COVID-19 patients, it's unclear to what extent the doctors have such experience.

USA TODAY confirmed that most are physicians with active state medical licenses, but their specialties and experience suggests they were offering little more than personal opinions rather than research experience on infectious diseases.

While one is affiliated with a hospital that would treat critically ill patients and others work at urgent care or other clinics, none claim to be infectious disease experts or doctors working in a hospital emergency room or intensive care unit.

Many have also been vocal critics of lockdowns and supporters of the Trump administration.

Ashish Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, likened the views expressed in the video to his own opinions about foreign politics in an interview with USA TODAY on Wednesday


Jha, however, said the idea that any doctor's personal experience could outweigh more rigorous studies is simply unscientific.

“Experiences are trumped by scientific evidence,” he said. And in the case of the arguments made in the video, Jha says the evidence doesn't back up their experiences.

Some of the allegations made in the video – including that a cure for COVID-19 exists – essentially suggest a global conspiracy to suppress an effective treatment to the coronavirus, Jha said.

“It’s not science.
Who was featured in the video?
USA TODAY tried to contact all of the doctors who spoke during the controversial video filmed Monday to verify the organization's claim that they are working on the front lines of the pandemic. One responded, another declined to comment and the rest did not answer. USA TODAY also reached out to Tea Party Patriots, the group organizing the event, and did not immediately get a response.

Many of the speakers have made public statements that clash with the opinion of the majority of public health experts.

Dr. Simone Gold, who has identified herself as an emergency medicine specialist in Los Angeles. In May, she gained national attention for being a part of a group of Pro-Trump doctors who advocated for quickly reopening the economy. On her website, she claims she "works as an emergency physician on the frontlines whether or not there is a pandemic." On LinkedIn, she says she works as a "Concierge Physician," an increasingly common field of medicine where patients pay a monthly or annual fee for access to a physician, according to AARP. She is listed as having a renewed and current medical license by the Medical Board of California and self-reported to the board that she completes 30-39 hours of patient care per week.
Dr. Bob Hamilton identified himself as a pediatrician from Santa Monica, California, with 36 years of practice. He's listed as a pediatrician at Pacific Ocean Pediatrics, which reports on its website he has privileges at two California hospitals. He is listed as having a renewed and current medical license by the Medical Board of California.
Dr. Stella Immanuel identified herself as a primary care physician in Houston and claims to have successfully treated about 350 COVID-19 patients. She has a full medical license in Texas, according to Texas Medical Board online records. She told the board she has a primary specialty of pediatrics and a secondary specialty of emergency medicine.
Dr. Dan Erickson was featured in a previous controversial video criticizing lockdowns; he co-owns California urgent care centers. The American Academy of Emergency Medicine condemned Erickson for his "reckless and untested musings" relating to COVID-19 in April. Erickson is listed as having a license from the Osteopathic Medical Board of California. While the training for a doctor of osteopathic medicine is slightly different, focusing on more of a hands-on and holistic approach to health, they must go through a similar licensing process as physicians, according to the Mayo Clinic. His urgent care center, Accelerated Urgent Care, does have a current license with the state medical board.
Dr. Richard G. Urso is listed as an ophthalmologist with Houston Eye Associates. He has a full medical license in Texas, according to Texas Medical Board online records. He told the board he has a primary and secondary specialty of ophthalmology. An assistant for Urso declined to comment to USA TODAY.
Dr. James Todaro identifies himself on LinkedIn as a Detroit-area physician, managing partner of an investment fund and former physician with an eye group. Michigan's Department of Licensing and Regulatory Affairs does not list anyone with a current medical doctor license by Todaro's name.
Dr. Joe Ladapo is an associate professor of medicine in the division of General Internal Medicine and Health Services Research at David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA. He is listed as a Hospitalist affiliated with Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center by UCLA health. Ladapo wrote in an email to USA TODAY that he has treated COVID-19 patients but that his primary work is in clinical research. He said that his research has not primarily focused on COVID-19 and potential treatments, but rather policy and management of the pandemic. Ladapo has written numerous opinion editorials critical of lockdowns published by national outlets, including USA TODAY.
A doctor who believes in demon sperm sued for medical malpractice
Immanuel has received heightened attention among the doctors in the group after a report from the Daily Beast highlighted some of her bizarre religious and medical beliefs.

The Daily Beast reported that Immanuel has stated "that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches" and that "alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments."

On Twitter, Immanuel embraced these claims, tweeting, "Yes America! some need deliverance from demon sperm" and said the news outlet "did a great job summarizing our deliverance ministry."

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a reply to: research100

Hurry and Watch!!!! Dr. Stella Immanuel Is Seriously Not Giving Up, Share This Everywhere


Dr. Stella Immanuel address some of the allegations against her. She talks about the demons among other topics about the situation.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: research100

Hurry and Watch!!!! Dr. Stella Immanuel Is Seriously Not Giving Up, Share This Everywhere

Dr. Stella Immanuel address some of the allegations against her. She talks about the demons among other topics about the situation.

One of her first statements is to say Fauci needs to come give her a pee sample to prove he's not on HQ. Not exactly a great start. I'm a respected Dr not a conspiracy person, but Fauci needs to give up his right to privacy and prove to me he's not on HQ. Sorry, but that statement doesn't help your argument you are level headed. Then she refused to give her data proving HQ works saying she will at some point. Yea, right. And of course doubles down on semen demons!!!!!!!!! Sounds like her hero Trump. Lots of people are saying...you know what I'm talking about...I'll be right someday.

Both of them wouldn't last a second on ATS with no links! LOL

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Wow, so pediatricians and eye doctors who are in no way virus experts or even studying COVID and most of whom haven't even seen a patient for COVID are telling us there is a secret cure. People need to realize there are lots of bad Dr out there. Having a Dr license does not at all mean you are somehow a "super genius" that everyone should bow down to. Plenty are quacks and scam artists.

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One of her first statements is to say Fauci needs to come give her a pee sample to prove he's not on HQ. Not exactly a great start.

I disagree. The chances of a civil war breaking out due to mismanaging of the Covid response is increasing. Many 1000's of people have unnecessary died due to conflicts of interest in our political leadership.

With this pee sample, we want to really know how Fauci personally feels about HCQ. No lies. If Fauci tests negative then people will be more forgiving in just calling him stupid. If Fauci tests positive, boom.

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I can only imagine what’s going to happen if/when it later comes out that HCQ, Zinc, and Zithromyacin is not only a cure but also a preventative.

The media has doubled down on HCQ not working and skewered POTUS when he mentioned it back in March.

People are gonna seriously be PO’d. For pushing all this scare nonsense.

They have already taken down your video I see. At this point it’s just blatant.

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Heres Trump's ""very impressive"" champion of modern-day medicine in full swing mental mode.

I don't know why we ever doubted the lady.

a reply to: andy06shake

And yet, none of you pro-covid folks can refute a single bit of evidence that any of these people have presented.

The “ermagawd she must be a witch” line got old like 6 pages ago.

a reply to: Cancerwarrior

Aye, i bet J. K. Rowling is crapping a brick.....not.

Whats the bet Tony The Tiger signed off on her medical degree?

And it's Grrrrrrrrrrreat. x

Also, i think you may find its the supposed medical health care trained professional bumping her gums about the shenanigans of witches and wizards.

The same person, Trump wanted to give a voice ffs.

originally posted by: andy06shake
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Aye, i bet J. K. Rowling is crapping a brick.....not.

Whats the bet Tony The Tiger signed off on her medical degree?

And it's Grrrrrrrrrrreat. x

Also, i think you may find its the supposed medical health care trained professional bumping her gums about the shenanigans of witches and wizards.

The same person, Trump wanted to give a voice ffs.

You really are a one trick pony aren’t you?

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
a reply to: andy06shake

And yet, none of you pro-covid folks can refute a single bit of evidence that any of these people have presented.

The “ermagawd she must be a witch” line got old like 6 pages ago.

Did you even watch the video? She won't show us her findings to prove what she is saying. She has no evidence, we are just supposed to take her word for it like the semen demons. That line never gets old!

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: FishBait

One of her first statements is to say Fauci needs to come give her a pee sample to prove he's not on HQ. Not exactly a great start.

I disagree. The chances of a civil war breaking out due to mismanaging of the Covid response is increasing. Many 1000's of people have unnecessary died due to conflicts of interest in our political leadership.

With this pee sample, we want to really know how Fauci personally feels about HCQ. No lies. If Fauci tests negative then people will be more forgiving in just calling him stupid. If Fauci tests positive, boom.

Wow, these sentences really make sense to you huh?

a reply to: FishBait

Seeing as how you only post highly edited, highly biased sources, while totally ignoring any and all evidence from myself and any other posters that goes against your narrative I see no reason to.

At this point, you've proven you are not capable of any discourse on the subject.

So go ahead with your "she's a witch" and "orange man bad" responses. You only prove my point further.

originally posted by: FishBait

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: FishBait

One of her first statements is to say Fauci needs to come give her a pee sample to prove he's not on HQ. Not exactly a great start.

I disagree. The chances of a civil war breaking out due to mismanaging of the Covid response is increasing. Many 1000's of people have unnecessary died due to conflicts of interest in our political leadership.

With this pee sample, we want to really know how Fauci personally feels about HCQ. No lies. If Fauci tests negative then people will be more forgiving in just calling him stupid. If Fauci tests positive, boom.

Wow, these sentences really make sense to you huh?

And yet, unsurprisingly, they make absolutely no sense to you.

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
a reply to: FishBait

Seeing as how you only post highly edited, highly biased sources, while totally ignoring any and all evidence from myself and any other posters that goes against your narrative I see no reason to.

At this point, you've proven you are not capable of any discourse on the subject.

So go ahead with your "she's a witch" and "orange man bad" responses. You only prove my point further.

I didn't post it genius. It was a 15 min fully unedited interview video where she had every chance to explain herself and show her proof he "cure" works. And what a surprise she wouldn't show her findings and said maybe she would someday. She has a cure and is keeping the proof to herself. Makes perfect sense. To you.....If you were actually so passionate you would be interested in seeing an interview with her, instead you just want confirmation bias with your head in the sand.

originally posted by: FishBait

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
a reply to: FishBait

Seeing as how you only post highly edited, highly biased sources, while totally ignoring any and all evidence from myself and any other posters that goes against your narrative I see no reason to.

At this point, you've proven you are not capable of any discourse on the subject.

So go ahead with your "she's a witch" and "orange man bad" responses. You only prove my point further.

I didn't post it genius. It was a 15 min fully unedited interview video where she had every chance to explain herself and show her proof he "cure" works. And what a surprise she wouldn't show her findings and said maybe she would someday. She has a cure and is keeping the proof to herself. Makes perfect sense. To you.....If you were actually so passionate you would be interested in seeing an interview with her, instead you just want confirmation bias with your head in the sand.

The video you posted was just over two minutes and highly edited. And was by no means any sort of ‘interview’.

Proving that not only do you have no clue what you’re talking about, but that you don’t even vet your own ‘sources’.

Ever consider applying for a job at CNN ‘genius’?

doubke post

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior

originally posted by: FishBait

originally posted by: Cancerwarrior
a reply to: FishBait

Seeing as how you only post highly edited, highly biased sources, while totally ignoring any and all evidence from myself and any other posters that goes against your narrative I see no reason to.

At this point, you've proven you are not capable of any discourse on the subject.

So go ahead with your "she's a witch" and "orange man bad" responses. You only prove my point further.

I didn't post it genius. It was a 15 min fully unedited interview video where she had every chance to explain herself and show her proof he "cure" works. And what a surprise she wouldn't show her findings and said maybe she would someday. She has a cure and is keeping the proof to herself. Makes perfect sense. To you.....If you were actually so passionate you would be interested in seeing an interview with her, instead you just want confirmation bias with your head in the sand.

The video you posted was just over two minutes and highly edited. And was by no means any sort of ‘interview’.

Proving that not only do you have no clue what you’re talking about, but that you don’t even vet your own ‘sources’.

Ever consider applying for a job at CNN ‘genius’?

OMG I didn't even post a video, talk about a conspiracy. Seriously dude you are just showing your a## that you don't know what you are talking about. Someone else post the 2 min video and if you scroll up from that you'll see the 15 min video interview posted by yet another person. If you were actually following the thread and info being given you would know that. But then you'd actually have to want to spend time seeing all the different info. Instead your just rage posting at top speed with no back up for your accusations.

a reply to: Cancerwarrior

Is that not your boy Trump? x

You really are thick if you endorse or support the likes of the crap coming out the that so-called Doctors mouth nevermind Trumps. x

Anyhoo "horses for courses" and all that jazz but not Hogwarts.