The Gospel of Chiron according to Pthena

a reply to: GBP/JPY

In my religion, I am required to star posts before responding to them.
so SSSS

This might be a tough one:
1) John McArthur: not Bible truth type? mis...steps?
He's a Bible literalist, young Earth Creation proponent, dispensationalist, Calvinist, has his own seminary, been involved in pretty much every discussion among Evangelicals concerning literal Bible teaching since the 1980s.

2) And in your next post you describe your own understanding of dispensationalism. That's confusing to me.

3) In your third post you seem to conclude that the body(physicality) is the perp in spirit/flesh war.

4) Then you conclude with big happy family in the spirit realm.

Revelation 20:11 "I saw a great white throne, and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them."

That would sort of eliminate the physical existence issue if the whole Earth and Sky were banished. We as physical beings are made up of Earth and Sky.

So this spirit family doesn't include Earth and Sky? I find that rather distressing since Earth and Sky are very important deities to me. And if my deities aren't welcome then I guess I'm pretty much banished too.

And yet, Bible truth would have us believe that a quite physical New Jerusalem will descend from heaven, and quite physical resurrected humans will be living in and about such a physical place.

Now that's quite the conundrum. But I suppose dispensationalism can clear it up quite handy-ly by saying "Spirit now, physical later".

a reply to: pthena

Revelation 20:11 "I saw a great white throne, and him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. There was found no place for them."

That would sort of eliminate the physical existence issue if the whole Earth and Sky were banished. We as physical beings are made up of Earth and Sky.

2 Peter 3:10 - But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 21:1-2 - And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:23 - And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Sorry, but the new heaven/earth will be different from what you know today.

a reply to: pthena

And yet, Bible truth would have us believe that a quite physical New Jerusalem will descend from heaven, and quite physical resurrected humans will be living in and about such a physical place.

1 Corinthians 15:42-46

42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

a reply to: Deetermined

Sorry, but the new heaven/earth will be different from what you know today.

The question is, how would I know it if I'm one of the horrifying dead bodies left to be gazed upon for eternity?
Isaiah 66:23,24

22“For just as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “so your descendants and your name will endure. 23From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come to worship before Me,” says the LORD. 24“As they go forth, they will see the corpses of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never be quenched, and they will be a horror to all mankind.”…

So the new Earth is created with a bunch of dead bodies laying around.

If I had some choice in the matter, I think I would choose the grass path.
Isaiah 40:

5Then the glory of the LORD will be revealed,
And all flesh will see it together;
For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.”

6A voice says, “Call out.”
Then he answered, “What shall I call out?”
All flesh is grass, and all its loveliness is like the flower of the field.

7The grass withers, the flower fades,
When the breath of the LORD blows upon it;
Surely the people are grass.

So the LORD blows the grass people away.
Then makes a new Earth and Sky
And the grass people get to be dead bodies laying around for all eternity.
And the blessed righteous people are cool with that?

What would happen if one of the righteous people had a sudden pang of human compassion and buried one of the dead? Would that be rebellion? And sin would start all over again in the new Earth?

a reply to: pthena

So the new Earth is created with a bunch of dead bodies laying around.

This sounds like something that will take place during Christ's 1,000 year reign on earth before the new heaven and earth come down to replace it, but I'll do a little more research on that one and get back to you.

a reply to: Deetermined

but I'll do a little more research on that one and get back to you.

While you do that I'll just struggle along with my current crisis of faith. I don't know if you would be interested in it, so I'll just start another post.

I am astounded at how quickly questions arise when it comes to faith.

A decent religion should have holidays. I was thinking that the Summer Solstice for the Southern Hemisphere and Winter Solstice for Northern Hemisphere would be appropriate as Chiron Ascension Day. Because that would be the night, or the next night when Centaurus would be getting higher in the Night Sky above the horizon.

I was thinking that there could be feats of archery for the grownups and maybe Hydra piñatas for the children. Then some people started accusing me of glorifying Heracles and the protesters showed up. I explained to them that it was still disputed about whether Artemis taught archery to Chiron or if Chiron taught Artemis. Then came the uproar from the protesters, "You are the only one who claims that Chiron taught Artemis! Nobody believes that but you! Have you lost your love for Artemis?"

So I backed down. I compromised my faith for the sake of orthodoxy. Of course I still love Artemis. I've got the scar to prove it. see here

Then the issue of the piñatas came up. "What could you possibly be thinking? It was the Hydra poison that killed Chiron?"

Very carefully, I explained that if we killed all the Hydras then there would be no Hydra poison. But you can imagine that the majority thought that the Hydras should be left alone, thus no-one would gain access to the poison. Since I had already compromised once I insisted that it was their turn to compromise.

So in a very firm voice I pronounced, "They are piñatas. That's candy in them. Not poison. Do you think I would endanger the children by sending them to beat real Hydras with sticks?"

So I got my way on the piñatas.

After they left I resumed my research. It seems that some authorities claim that Sagittarius is the real Chiron. Some other authorities say that Sagittarius and Centaurus both were placed in the sky by Chiron to help Jason navigate. That would mean that neither one is the real Chiron.

I probably shouldn't reveal this but there's just something about Sagittarian women. I don't care to explain the effect some of them have on me. Especially when the combination of the Fire element gets combined with the moving Air, like a blacksmith's bellows on burning coals. The intensity!

I feel inclined to claim that Sagittarius is the real Chiron. But that would be going more with my emotions than with rational thought on the matter.

Religion shouldn't be this uncertain.
But what if life itself is uncertain?
Maybe religion should be a reflection of life.