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Medjugorje - true or false? Last message shows it leads to DOOM without rescue way

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posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 03:06 PM
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Medjugorje is said to be the longest ongoing apparition of Virgin Mary from June 1981 till now.

It is easy to be taken for granted when every next month the next message "of Our Lady" is released by the seer Marija one of the six seers.

The Vatican so far has approved only the first 7 days of apparitions, out of 39 years. For the rest, as well as for the messages, the Vatican commission keeps silence. Pope Francis said that Our Lady is not a postmaster to send a message every 4pm (the hour of the apparitions is 6:0 pm but clearly he meant Medjugorje the biggest apparition - no other apparition has such a fixed hour in the afternoon).

Is Medjugorje doing the work of God or not in the final count?

Let consider what it is said in Fatima, the 100% aproved apparition by several popes some now canonized saints. Fatima (in the known part of the secrets) warned of concrete historic events that can be verified with the century passed. Also Fatima gave the promise of the 5 First Saturdays that everyone who does that devotion will receive the grace of final repentance and will not go to hell. It is very similar to the 9 First Fridays given by the Sacred Heart of Jesus in 17th century.

Why don't we have a similar promise in Medjugorje? Wasn't it so difficult for Gospa (Croatian word for Our Lady) to give any such promise, or simply to repeat the one given in Fatima? Instead, she addresses her followers as if they are the unbelievers, as if they need repentance and not the world. Let put her followers at 10 million (although in 4 decades more people have visited Medjugorje, the older ones have already passed away). Are those 10 million people the worst of all Catholics? Because, by addressing them, Gospa clearly shows they have much to do. Or are they the best of all Catholics, the only ones that will be saved physically, and therefore Gospa addresses the rest who will certainly die, but who will not read her messages?

The trouble is, Gospa does not really offer a remedy, even by standards of conservative approved apparitions. Fatima does - First Saturdays, Consecration of Russia.

I will quote the last message received on July 25, 2020. It turned my view at 180 degrees, although I had doubts for a long time.

July 25, 2020 Message to Marija

"Dear children! In this peaceless time in which the devil is harvesting souls to draw them to himself, I am calling you to persevering prayer, so that in prayer you discover the God of love and hope. Little children, take the Cross in your hands. May it be your encouragement for love to always win, in a special way now when the Cross and faith are rejected. You be a reflection and an example with your lives that faith and hope are still alive and a new world of peace is possible. I am with you and intercede for you before my Son, Jesus. Thank you for having responded to my call."

At first look, it is just a big warning for the activity of Satan, for the world peace, and call for prayer and conversion...so far so good.
Let look deeper though.

How is it that the "devil is harvesting souls" now MORE than before, "now when the Cross and faith are rejected"? What happens NOW that didn't happen 10 years ago for example? And whom does Gospa address? The 10 mln followers who after all haven't abandoned the Cross she calls them to hold?

Projected on the current crisis in the Catholic Church (pls see my other thread www.abovetopsecret.com... ) this message takes a clear side. "now when the Cross and faith are rejected" in the meaning the changes in the Church that pope Francis is doing supported by the majority of the bishops, are a "rejection of faith and cross".

Then we are infront of the choice: Medjugorje or the Pope's authority coming down from apostle Peter?
I am sure everyone has his own answer to that question. And many conservative catholics have already taken their decision that goes Against pope Francis as the legitimate successor of Peter who indeed holds the keys of the kingdom of Heaven and can loose sins as he decides.

Another view of all that is, where Fatima prophecy lead the world to. I have long threads where I prove that the one sided release of the secret is meant to prepare the world for a martyrdom in the coming cataclysm - not to save it from the cataclysm. I strongly recommend the film 2012 even if you have watched it 2-3 times already. Although it doesn't say everything, it says enough and shows how until the end there will be fanatics, including cardinals and presidents, who will prefer to stay and pray until the church's dome falls upon them, or until the tsunami wipe them all.

I strongly believe that Our Lady (the real one that appeared in Fatima) has given also a rescue way. Exactly that rescue way is kept secret. Because it involves non traditional methods. Whether it is alien spaceships, whether it is deep underground cities (including inner earth or under Antarctica ice) they go against the views of most of the believers who will demonize them. Therefore, to save the multitudes, the popes preferred not to disclose the truth in advance. Another reason for that non disclosure is the mass chaos that may erupt if the people know their days are numbered.

By 2020, the time has already come and gone for the release of the full Fatima secret. Our Lady asked for such release in 1960 according to Lucia.

Where does Medjugorje stand? With the latest message that comes to no surprise after years of expectations of "10 secrets and a great sign" that never came to be, it clearly shows the way of mass sacrifice, a new holocaust that deluded minds will prefer to undergo than to be rescued in spaceships or underground. Now I have no doubts. And I had them for a long time, that in the last moment Medjugorje would call for the people to be rescued. NO, IT WILL NOT. It puts all the weight on the Cross and on the Afterlife, not on this life. It doesn't offer any favor to the 10 million people who unceasingly say rosaries and offer their sufferings everyday. The reward of Medjugorje is the cross, that will culminate in voluntary mass sacrifice of stupidity.

Jesus died and resurrected, so we can live. Not that all people die.

Let remember the words of Jesus quoting prophet Hosea:
"But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice.’ For I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.” (Matthew 9:13)

I will stop here, if you want more reasoning of why the way given in Medjugorje and the restricted Fatima secret lead to the abyss and not to survival in the era of peace, please read my other threads. Here are some of them:

Pope Francis in Fatima compares the saved Church to the Manchild of Revelation www.abovetopsecret.com...
101 years from Fatima apparitions www.abovetopsecret.com...
3 days of darkness: life or death www.abovetopsecret.com...
The 4th secret of Fatima www.abovetopsecret.com...
Malachi Martin, Fatima. "Russia and Kiev are involved in the final solution of this problem" www.abovetopsecret.com...
What really happened in Fatima? www.abovetopsecret.com...
New Secret of Fatima? www.abovetopsecret.com...
You think you know the Second Secret of Fatima? www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 03:23 PM
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Who is the six seers, and what kind of "power" do they have ?
Do they see Virgin Mary or do they hear voices ?



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 03:25 PM
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Yes, she does provide a "rescue way":


"Dear children! In this peaceless time in which the devil is harvesting souls to draw them to himself, I am calling you to persevering prayer, so that in prayer you discover the God of LOVE and hope. Little children, take the Cross in your hands. May it be your encouragement for LOVE to always win, in a special way now when the Cross and faith are rejected. You be a reflection and an example with your lives that faith and hope are still alive and a new world of peace is possible. I am with you and intercede for you before my Son, Jesus. Thank you for having responded to my call."


LOVE. Yes, it really is that simple. But obviously not that easy. People would rather hate. And people find lots of reasons to hate. And to be hateful.



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 03:36 PM
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there is NOTHING CONCRETE offered as a way out in the 39 years apparitions. And be sure I have studied them and lived them all that time!
There is NO 5 first Saturdays given, Nothing! There is NO guaranteed promsie of salvation in the terms of the 5 Saturdays and 9 Fridays!

It is a hard decision to me, but I prefer to hold on what is approved by the Church, and that is Fatima with its unfailing promise that whoever does the things said there will definitely save his soul.
And Love, yes! Fatima does have Love!

I see not much love in the idea of Medjugorje that everyone (of the followers) will have to die. That is my conclusion based on the whole trend that that "apparition" takes. There will be NO WAY OUT OFFERED! Fatima offered Consecration of Russia as a way out of concrete historic dilemma. The fact we write now on internet, is thanks to the real Our Lady who appeared in Fatima and gave the world extra time. (Lucia said the nuclear war would have happened in 1987? without consecration).

One of the things that made me change my mind on Medjugorje, was Marija's words in late 2017 that she expected the Triumph of Mary in that same year 2017! How, before the secrets? Anyway, she failed in her prediction of 2017. But the paradox posed of Triumph coming BEFORE the secrets is even worse for the credibility of the apparitions!

Did the Medjugorje seers lie to us back then when they gave the interviews as youngsters, or do they lie us now? Or did Gospa change her mind?

Certainly God does not change His mind! Therefore, the entity posing as Gospa is NOT OUR LADY the MOTHER OF GOD who has saved the Christian people many times, like during the decisive battles of Lepanto and Vienna, and during the plague in Rome!

Once the entity called Gospa said all religions are acceptable or what, although not equal, forgot already. Now I review it with other eyes.

There will be no first secret, no great sign, before the world events. Why don't the seers speak about the secrets? Mirjana refused to comment on the Great Warning, didn't say yes or no when asked if the Great warning is inside the secrets, she said she can't say anything.

In contrast, Lucia wrote the secrets as asked by the pope through the bishop, and we know 2/3 or more from them. The seers in Medjugorje refused when asked by the bishop, and that was one of the reasons two bishops of Mostar to declare it wrong. I dont know if they wrote the secrets for the popes. Yes indeed Vatican postponed its decision on Medjugorje. It is very possible the first 7 days that were approved (or 2 months) to be authentic, and the rest to be the work of the devil. There are precedents in history of apparitions when the devil attacks and deludes.

How can I believe Mirjana? How can I believe Marija? Vicka said that "gospa" will continue appearing even AFTER the great sign, apparent breakup with the previous status quo. Controversies abound. And I am not even touching the financial side.

There is an abyss that separates Fatima from Medjugorje. Love doesn't mean someone pretending gospa to repeat 100 times the word "love" or 1000 times. it is just absurd that the repetitive phrases have taken hearts and minds of people who are the most devote.
"to deceive if possible even the elect ones".

Sorry, I have been to Medjugorje, but now I know it is fake. It won't save you. Your soul is saved by Jesus, not by Medjugorje entity. And Medjugorje will not give anything to save your body either. I can say more, and all my reasoning for the secluded Third Secret of Fatima is valid to a great extend. I have no time or energy to repeat what I have done before. Everyone interested just read what has been already discussed.

No refuges in Medjugorje either! You may not want spaceships, but you certainly want to save your kids in a refuge? Why doesnt "gospa"speak of refuges?
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posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 04:14 PM
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Mriajana said that the first secret will be immediately known to all in the world. A breakup with the status quo of the first years that said, Fr Petar will announce it 3 days in advance.
Further, Mirjana said that if the pope asks for the secret, she will not tell him "No, I will give it to Fr Petar". The whole expectation that the poor fr Petar Ljubicic will be the speaker of "Gospa" is therefore wrong!

No Covid, no 9/11, no other major wars were part of any secret!
And yet, Marija tells us in 2017 that she expects the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart in that same year!

Jakov lied about a message, the original message allegedly said "time is running out". He and the parish doctored the message to sound not so frightening (what so frightening, other seers repeatedly say the time is running out. the point is, Jakov LIED, documented).

I assume all 6 seers have good intentions, do not do all that for money (although money come), and believe they indeed see the mother of God. Only, they do not see Her! Because the Mother of God cannot lie like that.

We were told the 10 secrets were written on a parchment of matter received directly by the hands of our lady, i.e. heavenly matter or whatever, not made on earth. That the EXACT DATES of the 10 secrets are written down.
Now we are told by Marija, you know what, she is expecting the Triumph...just like that! And she FAILED. How, if she is supposed to know the EXACT DATES of ALL SECRETS? (Marija knows 9 of the 10). She CANNOT EXPECT THE TRIUMPH AT AN EARLIER DATE! Yet she not only expected it,b ut failed in the expected year 2017! A gross, gross failure for the ENTIRE alleged apparition!

When did they lie us, then or now? That is NOT the work of Our Lady! That is Not coming from God!

The seers must know we the believers are not some insane idiots who are satisfied with the endless repetition of similar phrases, and not thinking with our heads. Their words contradict each other. God cannot do that. Whatever and whoever they see, is Not Our Lady the Mother of God!

It is damn serious., because tomorrow that same entity "gospa" will tell you not to go to refuges, not to take rescue ships or whatever comes to save us, not to be saved at all, rather to await your cross and to DIE plainly said. They will double cross the entire idea that the most devote people will revive the authentic church in the era of peace. They will be simply wiped out as a result. That I prove in my threads about Fatima, at the time when I believed that medjugorje was true. The same arguments are valid here. Simply Medjugorje does not intend to offer rescue way of whatever cataclysm comes, be it a major war or planetary cataclysm. It is meant for its followers to simply put, DIE ON THE SPOT and take in the afterlife all their good faith, but not speaking for it on earth. If that is what you want, go after it! As of me, I am out of the delusion called medjugorje biggest apparitions...

There are other fake apparitions who use the word "love" excessively, even put it in their names! That doesn't make them more "loving" or "holy".

God doesn't play games! God will give His salvation in terms of physical rescue, after He saved our souls with the unique sacrifice of Jesus on the Cross. What point of the death of Jesus if the whole world or the whole Church will have to die too? Didn't St Paul speak otherwise? Didn't we live in resurrected life of Jesus? Or all of that are only words of no meaning? Indeed, if we listen to preachers and prophets like that, there is no much meaning left. Especially if the Christianity will be wiped out in the tsunami... the choice is yours.

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posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 05:55 PM
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Vicka Ivankovic-Mijatovic Ivan Dragicevic Ivanka Ivankovic-Elez Jakov Colo Marija Pavlovic-Lunetti here is a link about them (Ivanka and vicka have the same last name but not related)

The third secret of Medjugorje is to be a Lasting Sign. The visionaries are not able to say what the sign will be, but they have said that it will be a permanent sign, beautiful and indestructible, and all who come to Medjugorje will see it on the hill where the first apparitions occured.

www.medjugorje.org... the visions occured in 1981 they are all in their 50's now they each are to receive 10 secrets so far 3 of them have received all 10 then no more daily visions just once a year

is this true who can know for sure




originally posted by: Spacespider
Who is the six seers, and what kind of "power" do they have ?
Do they see Virgin Mary or do they hear voices ?



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 07:26 AM
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The narrative is beautiful, only there are quite many controversies between interviews given in early and later years.
It is said that whoever will be ALIVE at the Great sign will see it. It is said, people should not await for the great sign to convert.
It seems that according to that narrative, many people will die before the great sign, in the secrets 1 and 2 or even before them. It is strange that several wars including the one in Bosnia that claimed the lives of tens of thousands, were not enough to be the first secret.

Imagine the scenario that there aren't 10 events but only one in which much of humanity will perish. As St John Paul II hinted at in Fulda, Germany. And the rescue before that event is only one.
The result will be, all who believe there are 10 events with increasing severity, among them the beautiful sign, will say, "we are waiting for the promises of our lady in Medjugorje, we are not going anywhere". In that way they are doomed.

Our Lady in Fatima doesn't speak of 10 events. I will post JPII Fulda words. The words of Neues Europa, the text that is the closest to the real one, are already posted in the threads I quote, or simply google them. Nowhere has Our Lady said that we should wait for 10 events, or a major sign. The sign has already been given on October 13, 1917 the sun miracle. Did God change His mind since 1917, because the people converted en masse? Fatima is approved, not Medjugorje. The idea that Medjugorje is continuation of Fatima, is idea promoted in Medjugorje messages. It is nowhere said in Fatima that Our Lady will continue appearing and giving additional signs and secrets.

Several big False apparitions since then prove my words. We should expect that after the real manifestation of the Mother of God in Fatima, the devil will not stay quiet all that time but will make his own, supernatural but evil, plan and intervention. Certainly he will not appear with horns to the non-suspicious seers, rather will mimic "Our Lady" (and "Jesus" in other false apparitions banned from the Church). Sure he will not talk against God, will use many times the word "love" etc. As in the banned "Holy Love" apparitions. The goal will be the end game - to avert the believers to be physically saved in the coming cataclysm. How otherwise they would voluntarily stay to be wiped out, believing it is Our Lady who asked them that in the name of 1000s repetative words of love, prayer and sacrifice?

"By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" said Jesus. Medjugorje doesn't offer ANYTHING for REAL, as for example Fatima does. Medjugorje doesn't even promise eternal salvation, I have read ALL messages given and I haven't found such promise. In contrast, Fatima does:

"Look, my daughter, at my Heart encircled by these thorns with which men pierce it at every moment by their blasphemies and ingratitude. You, at least, strive to console me, and so I announce: I promise to assist at the hour of death with the grace necessary for salvation all those who, with the intention of making reparation to me, will, on the first Saturday of five consecutive months, go to confession, receive Holy Communion, say five decades of the beads, and keep me company for fifteen minutes while meditating on the fifteen mysteries of the Rosary."


Indeed Medjugorje sounded convincing. Up to the point I realized it does NOT offer escape way, and it will Not offer a such. That I base not ONLY on the last message.

And I prove that line of thought about fake messages how they serve a cunning predetermined end to make perish as many people as possible, with many more arguments in my threads about the fake Fatima 3rd secret (see OP).

Again, I do not necessarily blame the seers in Medjugorje who apparently see something very convincing if they spent their lives for spreading the message (and making quite well out of it). The one they see is simply Not Virgin Mary. Because there are great differences with already approved apparitions most notably Fatima.

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The October 1981 issue of the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens reported on a discussion that Pope John Paul II had with a select group of German Catholics (others say, with the German bishops conference), in November of 1980. The following is a verbatim report of the discussion:1

The Holy Father was asked, “What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?”

Pope John Paul II replied: “Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.

“On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired.”

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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 01:55 PM
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so here is my question...they way they talked wrote about the great sign they know when it will happen , will it happen in their lifetime? they are in their 50's ans 60's now ...is it wrtten or recorded somewhere if they pass before the great sighn happens


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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 02:30 PM
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all secrets in their lifetime, not only the great sign. while the other secrets can be lessened, as the 7th were, the 10th cannot be changed whatsoever. all secrets dates are FIXED and not conditional upon conversion (the lessening is conditional).

As we know, not only based on Medjugorje but based on very many apparitions, especially Fatima, the Triumph will come only after the Chastisement, or in Fatima (second secret) if the world obtains the conversion of Russia first (and we don't know the core element of the third secret). Even if we suppose the conversion took place (that I will not discuss here, I discussed it in length in the other threads) still we do not have the Triumph of Mary for decades after the cold war ended.

Medjugorje secrets as we were told by the Medj. seers were to happen BEFORE any Triumph. The first secret, we were told, would break up the power of Satan over the whole world. And now, marija tells us in 2017 that she expected the Triumph of Mary in that year. Gross failure!

I don't even care anymore whether the so called secrets of Medj. will happen in the seers' lifetimes. That is all fraud. Not from God. Anything tomorrow could be labelled "the first secret" if it is no more announced 3 days in advance. As careful reading of Mirjana's words that the world will know it immediately AFTER it happens, shows.

The Devil also knows the future to certain extend. We deal with non-divine entity here. Everyting is possible. Including some staged miracle on the ground of Medjugorje, including of supernatural but demonic origin. Or evil extraterrestrial origin, if we don't want to demonize it. I am done with Medjugorje as a matter of belief and blocks to decode future as "said by mary". Itis Not Mary! Therefore it is Dangerous, even more so if there are elements of truth. Many things in those messages are true for 3 decades... that doesn't change the fact the seers and the entity that speaks to them, deceive us, as I already showed many points of it.

I think I exhausted the topic, and don't have more time to spend on a failed apparition for 39 years that took my best years in life to follow it. May God revenge for all lives that were ruined by those fake "apparitions". Hope someone reads here and takes notice.
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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 03:01 PM
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well you got your point across here ....even if people don't post some will read it.......Marija gave a date and it did not happen....didn't this also happen at Fatima jacinta said the lady told her the war had ended and it had not??? I am sorry you feel you wasted your life.......this topic I have not looked at in years but your post got me looking again

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