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So now they arent terrorists??

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posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: Black_Fox

Don't confuse corporeal reality (the fact that actions define categorization) with any justice system.

There are many 'rules of law'. Question to be addressed is which set of rules applies to what conduct.

The 'rule' on dealing with terrorist groups as "terrorists" is that they must be declared as such before devastating economic sanctions &/or material aid & support offenses can be imposed.

Enemy combatants under the UCMJ have a different set of rules. Those rules don't pertain to 'criminal justice'.

ganjoa




posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

While they may not hold the official designation of domestic terrorism, The Proud Boys are an organized fascist hate group who have participated in domestic violence.

a reply to: KnoxMSP

Thanks for proving my point.

From your link...


Anti-Fascist Network


Not ANTIFA...


Join a group
Get involved with your local anti-fascist group. Support their mobilisations, offer your skills, time and information. The list of affiliated groups and supporters in the sidebar is a good starting point.

Berkshire Anti-Fascists
Brighton Anti-Fascists
Bristol Anti-Fascists
Dywizjon 161
Essex Anti-Fascists
Hunt Saboteurs Association
Leeds Anti-Fascist Network
London Anti-Fascists
Merseyside AFN
Midlands Anti-Fascists
North East Anti-Fascists
Oxford Anti-Fascists
Portsmouth Anti-Fascists
Preston Antifascist Network
Sheffield Anti-Fascist Network
Southampton Antifa
Welsh Antifa
Wessex Solidarity
Wigan Antifascists


Are you trying to say that all of these groups and everyone who participates with them are terrorists?

Are you all still trying to assert that anyone who mobilizes and protests against fascism is a terrorist? That's pretty fascist!



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posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: akiros
honestly i have just been copying and pasting things. Theyre 'sources' because I didnt write them. An opinion isn't really necessary in research until youve reached a conclusion. Having one so quickly or trying to assume I have one shows lack of research or respect for the critical thinking process.I just found it ironic that nothing is to be found on google on obama's opinion of antifa, ironic that it was Obama administration years of DHS, and also ironic that we can see from hindsight that truth really doesnt give a sh## about opinions.

But no, im not a fascist. I guess I would be a capitalist. The only definable difference from communism and fascism is that communism is class/economy based and fascism is race based. Is that correct? Anyways it just seems to me that as long a major power is capitalism then socialism will eventually lean towards communism. Honestly to me it seems fascism died in the 1950s on a relevancy scale (except indonesia? idk) and people are just copying mannerisms to
think 'smart' thoughts.


Communism is not bad, but it gets controled by people who want power and or wealth. It cannot work well on a large scale, in fact, even in communities...which is the basis of communism...it often gets corrupt.

Socialism would work if all those in it worked together and the leaders did not try to seize power and were fair instead of prestigious and opinionated based on their personal beliefs. It does work in things like social groups like churches and some communities but in order for it to work, all those who can work must work together for the good of the nation. There may be more of an equity in wealth, but usually a lot of the money gets returned back to the state as taxes and everyone winds up in the area just above poverty except the heads of state or those who ammassed their fortune and moved it to another country already. New rich people moving in do substantually well sometimes. Also, they make rules that don't work, unless the society is conservative with a hint of progressiveness



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

What do you call actively burning, looting, and trying to use shaming and physical intimidation to shutdown political opposition as used by the criminal “protestors” in Portland?



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 11:25 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse



Communism is not bad, but it gets controled by people who want power and or wealth.


Communism works if the regime is powerful enough to keep people in line. However, it creates more human suffering than it solves. The only “currency” in a communist government is the political party. You cannot work hard and save and invest. It’s either you sale your soul to the party, or your just an useful idiot.



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: JBurns

While they may not hold the official designation of domestic terrorism, The Proud Boys are an organized fascist hate group who have participated in domestic violence.

a reply to: KnoxMSP

Thanks for proving my point.

From your link...


Anti-Fascist Network


Not ANTIFA...


Join a group
Get involved with your local anti-fascist group. Support their mobilisations, offer your skills, time and information. The list of affiliated groups and supporters in the sidebar is a good starting point.

Berkshire Anti-Fascists
Brighton Anti-Fascists
Bristol Anti-Fascists
Dywizjon 161
Essex Anti-Fascists
Hunt Saboteurs Association
Leeds Anti-Fascist Network
London Anti-Fascists
Merseyside AFN
Midlands Anti-Fascists
North East Anti-Fascists
Oxford Anti-Fascists
Portsmouth Anti-Fascists
Preston Antifascist Network
Sheffield Anti-Fascist Network
Southampton Antifa
Welsh Antifa
Wessex Solidarity
Wigan Antifascists


Are you trying to say that all of these groups and everyone who participates with them are terrorists?

Are you all still trying to assert that anyone who mobilizes and protests against fascism is a terrorist? That's pretty fascist!




Proud Boys don't operate like Mideast Terrorists, sorry.



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 11:58 AM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Someone organized your Wall of Moms, and someone else organized the Wall of Vets. Someone organized the Proud Boys and someone organized the Not F---ing Around Coalition.



I agree, but who you listed are not violently protesting. The right didn't make up the term ANTIFA...lol It wasn't a label to identify a wide range of groups, it has been a movement. As far as ANTIFA goes they have cells in many major cities such as Bay Area ANTIFA, Rose City ANTIFA so on and so forth, and they are connected with the same purpose to initial hunt out Nazis basically at first, whatever that means...lol....lots of Nazis in Berkeley as example, but the BIG problem is they decide who is and who isn't. It got to the point that those who do not agree with them are the is. They been growing since 2012 as a formal org and so its not just Trump...



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 12:05 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: rickymouse



Communism is not bad, but it gets controled by people who want power and or wealth.


Communism works if the regime is powerful enough to keep people in line. However, it creates more human suffering than it solves. The only “currency” in a communist government is the political party. You cannot work hard and save and invest. It’s either you sale your soul to the party, or your just an useful idiot.


Communism works well at a community basis, as long as it is not misguided. I have been in small communities where someone organizes things and the community pitches together to incorporate the needed projects. But unless someone is actually using logic to analyze whether the projects are needed or will be used by enough people, the community winds up with parks and things nobody uses and everyone is broke. In a town of three thousand, you cannot build a walking path that three people will be using which causes everyone to pay more taxes. There has to be people with wisdom overlooking this, the city had a committee that was discussing these things every month when I lived in the small town near me. It was being taken over by spendthrifts for a while that couldn't understand that not everyone can have everything they want. But after they got put aside often by the city council voting rejects, those people got mad and quit and sensible people took over.

Without stepping on people's heads and personal rights, communism cannot work on a big scale. The Chinese people are being crushed into compliance by their government, I sure would not want to live there. No wonder so many good Chinese people wanted to come to America. The Chinese people I knew over the years were all nice, but I never knew any of those who want to control the Chinese society here in America, I only know the good working class people.



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha

Are you all still trying to assert that anyone who mobilizes and protests against fascism is a terrorist? That's pretty fascist!



You have a funny way to use the term "protest"...

This is back in 2017 at Berkeley. If you never been to Berkeley it is about the most leftist cities you could ever find and the GD mayor of the most leftist city said this...lol As to your list...which ones are not violent?



I'm not sure your point... ANTIFA is violent, they say as such, they say violence is a big tool in their bag... They will violently shut down your 1st Amendment rights based on their views as to what only they see as right or wrong...they are right everyone else is wrong... NOW they amp up their efforts to include property damage and a plethora of other crimes. They are also well organized....



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posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero



They are also well organized....


But but but but.......

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Ksihkehe

Prove it. Show me their web page, their spox, their leadership, their bank account.




Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha


Seriously. What do you think people did before the Internet, and organizational charts. I don’t know many criminals that bank. And I remember a generation from the Great Depression where people felt better keeping their money and gold in a mattresses than the bank.


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posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 12:58 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux

Seriously. What do you think people did before the Internet, and organizational charts. I don’t know many criminals that bank. And I remember a generation from the Great Depression where people felt better keeping their money and gold in a mattresses than the bank.



This interesting part is they have gone underground. Back when Milo Yiannopoulos was shutdown from speaking at Berkeley I was like who are these ANTIFA? I started to look them up and found dozens of pages for their groups in different cities. They even list their goals, tenants, actions, lists of people they feel are fascist, meetings etc etc...

Two key ones I looked at their direct web pages were Bay Area ANTIFA and Rose City ANTIFA. Its all gone now, but you can find older stuff on duckduckgo, but Google is clean now mostly.

Does anyone think they are gone? lol They are now just individuals haphazardly meeting up...lol.. That their tenant of violence has changed...lol



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 08:54 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Says you. They aren't fascists they are Western Chauvinists. Big difference. It's another way of saying nationalists.

Judging by actions/violence not words/ideology, groups identifying as ANTIFA engage in violence. And their apologists are the only people who claim they don't exist...

Government recognizes them it's good enough for me. They meet every definition of a RICO Enterprise. Don't worry, their day is coming



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha


While they may not hold the official designation of domestic terrorism,


Because they don't use violence to achieve political goals. There is no black and white, using violence for political objectives makes you a terrorist. Nothing more, nothing less.


Are you trying to say that all of these groups and everyone who participates with them are terrorists?

Are you all still trying to assert that anyone who mobilizes and protests against fascism is a terrorist? That's pretty fascist!


Get a real argument. You're terrible at this and very unimpressive.

Yes, just as anyone who identifies as ISIL or AQAP, they're terrorists. If you support terrorists, fund terrorists, make excuses for terrorists or advance a terrorists objectives you ARE a terrorist



posted on Jul, 26 2020 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: neutronflux

He calls it a peaceful protest. What a joke.

Terrorist apologists make me sick. What do you expect? It's their own voters....ah well a nice felony conviction will fix that problem right now
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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 02:03 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

It's the quote "men of great character are often followed by scoundrels". When human nature isnt taken into account for an economic philosophy then youre screwed; it only lasts for a generation. So much learning could be had in the psychology of body language and aging, but I digress. Like I said, in a globally competitive environment, capitalism wins. We're practically losing to sugar metabolizing at this point. I mean really, all that is happening is people are feeling like they have something to prove so they yell for a few months and crystaleyes[sic] their ego (for their ENTIRE lives). Thats the thing about human psychology, if you do something that out of the ordinary of your environment, youre going to have to normalize it, change, or have something that regulates your subconscious like medication when you smoke that much pot
If you learn how to yell(like in music) and meditate you can pretty much see the slouch, circling, and 3's company. Im so over this. Sorry for rambling, may the left ass cheek not sag in the future.
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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 02:05 AM
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coming from someone who has actually been to a protest(me) in the early days, it was always the same. ALWAYS fine during the day (in my city) then when curfew or night hit thats when the thugs came out. Every time. It WAS as simple as the sun, im telling you, but I have no idea how it is now and simple doesnt sell and no one is going to pay for a 2 minute news clips that heaven forbid promotes actual civil walking progress. During the day it was fine and peaceful, but as soon as night hit thats when people started getting louder, yelling, and blah blah blah "we're not tired", stuff thrown through windows, etc etc. Smart people know to avoid this # at night, and dont even get me started on demographics. FWIW i have not been using the term "the elder"
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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

Thing is they are not anti fascist. They embody the use forcible suppression of their opposition. That is literally the definition of a fascist. They have been infiltrated.

orwell.ru...

I mean it is playing out exactly like he warned us about in his books, yet you fall for the propaganda hook, line, and sinker.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 09:08 AM
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Have you ever noticed that when a group becomes opposed to another group, they accuse that group of being facsist? Controlling the narrative allows you to basically do anything.

When you can define anyone you disagree with as a fascist, then Antifa can literally be used to oppose any and every thing.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 12:37 PM
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Another person for the terror watchlist. Reported to DHS this morning.

Noah from Eugene Oregon using service Venmi to fund communist terrorist activities.

mobile.twitter.com...

They indicated they were aware of the individual and their social media, presumably via other citizen reports.

Anyone who wants to help profile terrorists, send me a link to their page or their name and I'll make sure it gets to the right people. Or you can call DHS in Oregon or Washington DC
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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: Sookiechacha

ANTIFA is a terrorist organization.

They gained notoriety in Europe and were brought here post 2016 by criminal Democrats.




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