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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: olaru12

Hey now that is something I could get into


Where'd you get that awesome smiley at by the way? I miss the old ones


That is an older one and still on an ATS thread but you have to use bb code. Heres a special one for you and your boogaloo pals.




btw....in reference to your Homosexual/republican/democrat/ mention...I think they can pray the gay away if it applies for you or members of your family.





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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:24 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Thanks


By The Way I am not a Boogaloo...


I don't want there to be a civil war, I simply recognize how far gone this country is and accept it is now a real possibility. I used to believe we had a 0.0001% liklihood around 2012. Then, in 2016, I figured maybe 1-2%. Even in 2019 I assume worst case was 5% chance.

Now? In 2020? Its a 50-50 shot, seemingly. And nobody seems to want to back off the cliff. And the problem is, the forces of chaos are positioning themselves so that backing down results in a total remake of the country, loss of individual rights and the replacement of our republican form of government with something none of us would recognize



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: JBurns

This is completely untrue. And this type of bigot speak is symptomatic of a simple mind.

Everyone's actions, speech and intentions, regardless of political leaning, are different.

You are virtue signaling for a group (and now I'll do the same thing) that has no virtue.


One must be careful when pointing a finger , as 3 are pointing back at them.



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: olaru12


btw....in reference to your Homosexual mention...I think they can pray the gay away if it applies for you or members of your family.


No need to do that

Although I don't believe it applies to any family members, I wouldn't be upset it if did. I have several good buddies who are gay. One of them from the gun range in fact, good guy and has beers over here all the time.

My youngest daughter has a gay best friend. He has a heart of gold and the kind of endearing personality that only a 20-something gay guy can have



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:34 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: olaru12


btw....in reference to your Homosexual mention...I think they can pray the gay away if it applies for you or members of your family.


No need to do that

Although I don't believe it applies to any family members, I wouldn't be upset it if did. I have several good buddies who are gay. One of them from the gun range in fact, good guy and has beers over here all the time.

My youngest daughter has a gay best friend. He has a heart of gold and the kind of endearing personality that only a 20-something gay guy can have



Then why did you try to create a division between Dembs and repubs gays. It's not political.










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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:38 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Good question. Actually I am not too sure. I suppose it would've been better to just leave that line out all together. Although my intention wasn't to create a division or distinction at all, I can see it having that effect

My mistake



^My President

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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: olaru12

Good question. Actually I am not too sure. I suppose it would've been better to just leave that line out all together. Although my intention wasn't to create a division or distinction at all, I can see it having that effect

My mistake


ok...





posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:43 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Sadly I am passed the edit window to remove it



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Now lets discuss this one....




If a Conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. If a Liberal is down-and-out he wonders who is going to take care of him.


I'm a left of center liberal, and I'm at work now. All my crew are lefties and I'm honored to be associated with them and some of them are gay, Black, Hispanic, Native American, big mix.. www.iatse.net... union strong, union proud, and we put complete effort on doing a great job regardless of the project. We are American Working people! Even though ATS right wingers like to call us socialist, marxist etc.






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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:02 PM
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a reply to: olaru12


I'm a left of center liberal


You don't say!



and I'm at work now. All my crew are lefties and I'm honored to be associated with them and some of them are gay... IATSE, union strong, union proud, and we put complete effort on doing a great job regardless of the project.


I don't doubt that one bit


My statement didn't really have anything to do with saying lefties do subpar work or anything like that, I know that isn't the case It sounds like you all have a good thing going for you and it works, nothing wrong with that at all

As far as things like welfare go, I don't really take an issue with those types of programs I also believe the majority of folks using them do so because they have no choice. I never fault someone for taking care of their family however they got to do it. My problem isn't with the people, it is entirely aimed at the politicians who use those sorts of programs as a bargaining chip, or maybe that isn't even the right word....I guess more of a carrot/stick, It seems like they dangle them in such a way while demonizing the republicans by claiming we want to take them away. Does anybody believe we want to take the food out a kid's lunchbox? Or the clothes off their back? Or pull their home out from underneath of them? That just isn't true I know it certainly isn't true for me

With that it isn't so much even the point I was going for, although I see your point about over-generalizing and over-simplifying things to the point of inaccuracy

I am known for a lot of things but always being right is not one of those things



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
If a Conservative doesn't like guns, they won't buy one. If a Liberal doesn't like guns, they want all guns outlawed.

If a Conservative is a vegetarian, they won't eat meat. If a Liberal is a vegetarian, they want all meat products banned for everyone.

If a Conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a Liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a Conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. If a Liberal is down-and-out he wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a Conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. If a Liberal doesn’t like a talk show host, he demands the mob dox the host and disrupt their free speech.

If a Conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. If a Liberal is a non-believer, he wants any mention of God and religion silenced.

If a Conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. If a Liberal decides he needs health care, he demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a Conservative is unhappy with an election, he grumbles and goes to work the next day. If a Liberal is unhappy with an election, he burns down a Starbucks, throws rocks at cops and takes two-weeks off for therapy.

If a Conservative reads this, he'll show it so his friends can have a good laugh. If a Liberal reads this, he will try to sue you or shut you down, because he's "offended."

Who will be the first to get the last bullet-point "I'm offended over XYZ" award?


That describes me as a conservative. 😕. I’m not the least bit Conservative. Number 7 doesn’t count, as a Cdn, healthcare is just there.

America has changed the very meaning of the word liberal over the last few years.....damned leftists.....



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: research100
If a Conservative doesn't like guns, they won't buy one. If a Liberal doesn't like guns, they want all guns outlawed.

maybe you believe that but do you actually think it could happen.......when is the last time an amendment was changed, only once an amendment was enacted to repeal another way back in 1933 the 21st amendment amended the 18th amendment which had instituted "prohibition"

trying to change an amendment is extremely difficult....

If a Conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life. If a Liberal is homosexual, he demands legislated respect. did you type that with a straight face?????

this link www.newnownext.com... yeah these Republicans (the party of FAMILY VALUES) all publicly denounced homosexuality were all caught and brought down by gay sex scandals



originally posted by: pthena
a reply to: JBurns

Click bait:

I wanted to learn about Republicans and democrats.
All I see here is Conservative and Liberal.

Bait and switch!



1994 "Assualt Weapons Ban"
abcnews.go.com...



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: JBurns



I don't agree with limiting anyone's gun rights. If they're breaking the law, the other armed citizens will put a stop to it sooner or later.

Kind of like this?

The movie is loosely based on Johnson County War in Wyoming. After reading the whole Wikipedia article, I would say that the Jack Wilson character is loosely based on Frank M. Canton.

Frank M. Canton, Sheriff of Johnson County in the early 1880s and better known as a detective for the WSGA, was a prominent figure in eliminating these supposed criminals from Wyoming. Before the events in Johnson County, Canton had already developed a reputation as a lethal gunman. At a young age he had worked as a cowboy in Texas, and in 1871 started a career in robbery and cattle rustling, as well as killing a Buffalo Soldier on October 10, 1874. Historian Harry Sinclair Drago described Canton as a "merciless, congenital, emotionless killer. For pay, he murdered eight—very likely ten—men."

This range war was one of those times when things got so bad that the Governor asked for U.S. Army help. I'll just quote how that turned out:

The WSGA group was taken to Cheyenne to be held at the barracks of Fort D.A. Russell as the Laramie County jail was unable to hold that many prisoners. They received preferential treatment and were allowed to roam the base by day as long as they agreed to return to the jail to sleep at night. Johnson County officials were upset that the group was not kept locally at Ft. McKinney. The general in charge of the 6th Cavalry felt that tensions were too high for the prisoners to remain in the area.
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The Johnson County attorney began to gather evidence for the case and the details of the WSGA's plan emerged. Canton's gripsack was found to contain a list of seventy alleged rustlers who were to be shot or hanged, a list of ranch houses the invaders had burned, and a contract to pay each Texan five dollars a day plus a bonus of $50 for each person killed. The invaders' plans reportedly included eventually murdering people as far away as Casper and Douglas. The Times reported on April 23 that "the evidence is said to implicate more than twenty prominent stockmen of Cheyenne whose names have not been mentioned heretofore, also several wealthy stockmen of Omaha, as well as to compromise men high in authority in the State of Wyoming. They will all be charged with aiding and abetting the invasion, and warrants will be issued for the arrest of all of them."

The Invaders, however, were protected by a friendly judicial system, and they took advantage of the cattle barons' corruption. Charges against the men "high in authority" in Wyoming were never filed. Eventually the invaders were released on bail and were told to return to Wyoming for the trial. Many fled to Texas and were never seen again. In the end, the WSGA group went free after the charges were dropped on the excuse that Johnson County refused to pay for the costs of prosecution. The costs of housing the men at Fort D.A. Russell were said to exceed $18,000 and the sparsely populated Johnson County was unable to pay.

Justice!!!! Oh wait... Nah!



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:50 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Unless you are from Arizona.

Then you march once a year in the gay pride parade with an unregulated AR-15.

These are polarizing examples. Where art thou moderates? I still believe in the hybrid. The person who holds all amendments equal, and believes in The US Constitution. Of course in many of your examples the moderate democrats take the "conservative" position, and may be growing tired of the whining themselves..

The bit with the far left liberals is latent Marxism. Ideals of the college debate. Until the far left can convince Americans to pay VATs like most of Europe (good freaking luck) there is no feasibility to anything approaching a Nordic model.

Underlying the grand utopic Sweden-infatuated ideal is that right/left split of centralized and regional government.

The far left will appeal to feds for healthcare, foodstuffs, equality, 47 new genders, criminalized racism in the same mindset set the far right will appeal to the feds for the outlawing of abortion, gay unions, welfare, and things that they want mandated beyond their home state.

That may be the biggest irony. If the left was antagonized by the religious right they have responded like the religious left. An inverted opposite replacing overt Christian values with overt secular pseudomarxist ones.

Like it was planned from the start, huh?

The people who framed out the constitution understood the value of these ultimately arbitrary differences in political opinion so long as they remain subservient to a balanced ideal in this grand Masonic experiment.

Which I am guessing looks like this:


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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: JBurns

Divide and conquer

works like a charm



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Degradation33

I can figure out from the picture that the Oligarchy is a bit more right-center than left-center.

I don't know what the All-seeing eye is. I'll probably look that up next.

What are the Other?

ETA

Eye of Providence according to U.S. with the motto: annuit cœptis, meaning "He approves [our] undertakings" (or "has approved").

I don't know if it's correct or not, but I usually associate Providence as the proper name for the deity of Deism. Does that seem right to you?


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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 05:32 PM
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This is just my opinion and may be disagreed with.

The "other" represents the comparitively small portion of people that took the red pill, in a manner of speaking.

The all seeing eye is the predisposition towards "slave morality" or a "hive mind". The inexorable quality of social structure to find comfort in said pyramid. Conservatives may call it god, liberals may call it the state or 'humanity'. The necessary master, be it a human element or otherwise.

If you've read Nietzsche "other" would represent the "Superman" (Übermensche). The chains of "nomos" (to use a Greek word now) have been broken.

Post edit: There is absolutely a deist intent with the all seeing eye. The way of nature (and by extension society) as evidence of divinity. The natural casting tendency of animal hierarchy represented therein.
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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 05:46 PM
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If you've read Nietzsche "other" would represent the "Superman" (Übermensche). The chains of "nomos" (to use a Greek word now) have been broken.

Decades ago, I had a copy of Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
I'll probably have to refresh my memory, but my currently remembered impression is:

By defining a superman, the idea of such is implanted in one's thinking.
The temptation then arises, "I can imagine it, therefore I am it."
Such temptations should be resisted.

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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 05:59 PM
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Attempts at mimicry never end well. Idealized images of superhumanity leads to posing. Leads to idealized copies that nullify themselves and "ape" it, as it were.

In analogy I guess it's like being "cool" or "charismatic" without a hint of either. Sure you may say the same things but everything else is transparent.

Such is the nature of society and why the circle is as small as it is. Even the "free-thinking individual" will check themselves against some party line or ideal. While there are a lot of special snowflakes lately, they are still adhering to the prescribed status quo, and may even get arrested by it if they start looting.

The status quo of a balanced ordered bicameral society.
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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 07:26 PM
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What I don't understand is why do democrats hate Trump to the exclusion of working with us to do infrastructure, crush COVID, crush Russia, crush China, bring the troops home and dismantle not expand government spy agencies?

These are objectively good things right?




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