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posted on Jul, 28 2020 @ 02:30 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I consider myself neither a Christian nor a Socialist - I may share some beliefs, opinions and values with them - but I've got to say that I always got the impression that Jesus was a leftist leaning individual when I read The New Testament.....he certainly didn't have many capitalist traits as far as I can recall.


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posted on Jul, 28 2020 @ 10:21 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: LABTECH767

There is no socialism in Christianity...


1 Peter 2:13-17
New International Version

13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

www.biblegateway.com...

Jesus said he came to establish the kingdom of God. Not to establish any governments made by men. Socialism was made up by men, and hence it won't be a part of God's kingdom.

But people like "LABTECH767" are making up their own vision of Christianity instead of following what God and Jesus said.






Now hold on a moment there, Establish THE KINGDOM OF GOD and then you contradict him as if that is not a Government when it patently IS government.

You can NOT serve two masters.

This is why I a British man say my king.

As a CHRISTIAN we are supposed to live in God's kingdom HERE AND NOW in all thing's in our lives, not to acknowledge other powers over us if they go against the LAWS of our God.

HIS KINGDOM IS ALREADY HERE RIGHT NOW do you understand.

The RULE by divine right concept was created to justify earthly king's and it was a heretic interpretation that is still being used today, CHRIST has come, CHRIST IS KING, CHRIST IS RISEN.

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posted on Jul, 28 2020 @ 10:23 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

A family member called this Russian propaganda just because of the last 2 or 3 sentences.



posted on Jul, 28 2020 @ 10:26 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: LABTECH767

There is no socialism in Christianity...


1 Peter 2:13-17
New International Version

13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

www.biblegateway.com...

Jesus said he came to establish the kingdom of God. Not to establish any governments made by men. Socialism was made up by men, and hence it won't be a part of God's kingdom.

But people like "LABTECH767" are making up their own vision of Christianity instead of following what God and Jesus said.






YOU are talking about the HERASSY of rule by divine RIGHT, CHRIST HAS COME, CHRIST IS KING, CHRIST IS RISEN, you can not serve two masters.

READ IT AGAIN.

WE are to submit only were it does not contradict the laws of GOD, I am in no way making up my own religion and while I will not hold our difference of opinion against you it is probable that you shall still have to justify yourself before the lord on Judgement day, you have passed judgement upon me not I upon you and no one elected you judge, I am not accusing you and am well aware of the plank in my own eye but you seem to think you see with divine perfection as Our lord did, well unless you ARE Jesus which of course you are not then I believe you are probably NOT correct..


Look when the crusaders conquered and took Jerusalem back from the Arabs they blasphemed by placing a man on a throne and calling him the KING OF JERUSALEM, there was and is already a King of Jerusalem and NEW Jerusalem and he is called Jesus or Yeshua - he said before Abraham "I AM", in Hebrew and Aramaic of the time "I AM" was a holy phrase meant to represent God, when Moshe/Moses said to the presence in the burning bush Who are you it said "I AM - THAT I AM".

I am in the Father and the Father is in me, WHOEVER Sees me sees the Father, we can not perceive of God in his full majesty but he came to us as a man and we can see that Christ the perfect man is also God letting us see him.

HE is our God, OUR KING and our true government, we simply are very bad at obeying his law's and that is why he sent his son the Word Incarnate (in the beginning was God and with God was the Word and the Word IS God, everything that was made was made through him and nothing that was made was made without him.

Now ours is a war with powers and principality's not the flesh (though we struggle with that) those in high places and in the heaven's, spiritual rulers of darkness,. Do you really believe Spiritual rulers of Darkness have nothing to do with cult's, indebting people and not forgiving there debt, putting widows into the street and ruling our world through there proxy's because if you do then you are either incredibly naïve or on there side.

Our government's are NOT obeying Christ, when God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah one of the charges levelled against them was that they had NOT STRENGTHENED THE HAND OF THE POOR.

We are all guilty of this but you know the poorest in society tend to be the one's that are most often the most generous to other's they see as more poor than themselves.

The greedy rich that just keep getting richer are the fool that stored his treasure in a barn, don't they know they will die, they will be no more than the poorest before God and will unless they were as the man in the Eye of the Needle Parable whom did help the poor have to make an account of there lives before the Throne.

Oh and there have been good king's, prime ministers and presidents.

We need government's but that does not mean we Ignore our TRUE government in Christ or ALLOW them to over rule his laws as is happening today in more and more of the world as Christendom comes under ever more violent siege.

You know something though - and I am guilty of this - we should never be offended by another's opinion when it comes to discussing our lord, to be offended is to cut them off but talking about our lord is what the Church was supposed to do, talking about his Example and trying as best we can to live by those examples, discussing his teaching's and interpreting them, the first TRUE Churches were often house Churches were due to persecution they would meet in secret, the first Christian Community's were what can only be called Commune's and held ALL there wealth in common, to lie to these community's was to lie to the Holy Spirit and God set an example there as well.
You have heard the story of Ananias and Sapphira I assume.
Remember this was CHRISTAN commune not atheist communism, God is Lord and all Christians were united through the body of Christ there body's the temple of the holy Spirit and the closer to that ideal they were of course the closer to God and more the word of Christ indwelt within them.
But what happens if you in such a true Christian community then lie to the holy spirit that is not only within you but within your brothers and sisters, if you cut yourself off from them.

Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. 2With his wife’s full knowledge, he kept back some of the proceeds for himself, but brought a portion and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and withhold some of the proceeds from the land?

Did it not belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? How could you conceive such a deed in your heart? You have not lied to men, but to God!”

On hearing these words, Ananias fell down and died. And great fear came over all who heard what had happened.

Then the young men stepped forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

About three hours later his wife also came in, unaware of what had happened.

“Tell me,” said Peter, “is this the price you and your husband got for the land?” “Yes,” she answered, “that is the price.”

“How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord?” Peter replied. “Look, the feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”

At that instant she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.
biblehub.com...

Note also how these Christian's were living?.

Communal Kibbutz type community's, wealth, work, food and care shared in common among them since they were now all one family in Christ and in his body, it is the modern church the one that anoints false king's that is wrong.

Non of us are perfect, we have all fallen short of the Glory of God and we NEED his mercy, we need him, how then can we replace him with earthly thing's, we all like a bit of comfort but there is reasonable and then there is greed, what is the example the Apostle Peter and more so the Holy Spirit made here.

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posted on Jul, 28 2020 @ 12:18 PM
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The old style Mini was a great car. I had 2 myself, a Mini City in invalid carriage blue and a trendier red/white Cooper S. Fond memories of both but build quality was terrible.

The tv historians would have you believe that monetarism started when Thatcher was elected in 1979. It didn’t. In some ways the “Thatcher Revolution” started in 1975/6 when the Labour government finally realised that you can’t spend money you don’t have. And that even if you did, more government borrowing/spending would simply lead to higher inflation, wage rises, interest rate rises and more unemployment.

Obviously the Labour left and unions disagreed on that, Britain suffered more strikes 1978-79 and Thatcher swept to power on the back of general discontent.

I don’t think her government was against manufacturing industry as such, it’s just her initial policies made matters so much worse. The first thing she did in 1979 was to raise VAT to 15%, suppressing domestic demand. She also abolished exchange controls which meant the pound rose in value against competitor currencies and that made British manufactured goods more expensive overseas to the tune of 20-30%.

That’s what knackered British manufacturing, that plus sky high inflation, increased wage demands and strikes in the early years of her first government.

History blames the strikers and the unions but it was more the complete absence of a coherent fiscal/industrial policy which caused manufacturing to fail during 1979-1982. And the impression was given that this was Thatcher’s dose of medicine to get things fixed long term, well, I don’t buy that. There’s plenty companies which were struggling which could still be trading today if they hadn’t been hammered so relentlessly in that adverse environment.

British Steel, well Ravenscraig steelworks is another case, it became the totem in Scotland which couldn’t be allowed to fall by any Scottish Secretary. As did Llanwern in Wales. Neither made money. Both lost money. Every ton of steel produced cost the taxpayer. But the unions rejected a plan which would’ve made Ravenscraig profitable, by moving it lock, stock and barrel to the Ayrshire coast and Hunterston where cheaper iron ore could be brought in from abroad and from where steel could be easily exported.

The unions objected to the move and rejected that massive investment because there would’ve been job losses plus the workforce didn’t want to move, God alone knows why not considering some of the slums in Motherwell and Wishaw where they were living. And what’s left of Ravenscraig now ? Fields and a college campus.

I’m deviating from the thread subject. The only thing I’d say is we all need to study history from those times a lot more closely than the tv historians do. It was never as simple as they make out, it’s not black and white or Labour bad Thatcher good or whatever. For those old enough to remember, those times were a complete #storm.



posted on Jul, 28 2020 @ 01:54 PM
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I never did like the Thatcher Yuppie years based on an unsustainable sell off of national assets, it was a quick burn solution to try to boost the economy which ended up causing lasting damage to our nation and her stated claim that it was her intent to RESTORE the class system which we had been trying to abolish to make social mobility a reality while a class system stop's social mobility almost dead in the water.

I never liked the poll tax or it's veiled rebranding as the council tax, all of these and VAT were aimed at moving the tax burden from the wealth onto the poor, a poor man pays as much tax for that tin of beans as a rich man does and so in fact he pay's far more tax than the rich man does by virtue of the percent of his available wealth he then has to pay in taxation to the government.

The same thing happened in the US but over a longer period of time, people used to pay very little tax but business paid most of it, this was moved onto the workers and the rest of the population by shifting the tax burden onto there income while reducing the tax burden on the corporation's.

We used to regulate foreign imports with levies on them as a mean's to prevent cheap labour abroad creating unfair competition but these days we don't and in fact we have hardly any industry left in this country.

Back when I was a kid in the 70's and 80's my friend's dad was a forklift truck driver who took home about £260 a week which was a good wage back then, some would say a very good wage, a pound was about the equivalent of a fiver today and money felt like money, I used to go with my pet dog down to the local sweet shop looking for half pennies and one pence pieces to get half penny chocolate mice, supposed to be bad for animal's but they never harmed my dog and he lived to about 18 years of age.

Another thing Thatcher was guilty of was altering our own consumer law's, she made it so that ice cream and other fluid products could be sold on VOLUME instead of weight so a litre of ice cream if you get the air out of it is actually usually only about 700 ml at best these day's, she in fact invented the process to whip air into ice cream so this was basic corruption to push for this when she was in office, her husband Dennis had huge investments in the e number food additives and so she wanted to allow our kid's to be poisoned with that crap and to save money she even cut the subsidy paid to give milk to the kid's in school - back then the milk was not tainted with all the Monsanto crap it is these day's and was a good source of nutrition for growing children.

The fact is she was a bad leader, she was great with her international policy in some respects and helped bring about the end of the cold war but only because Gorby was a push over and she only got in for her second term because of the Falklands war since prior to that her public rating's were very far down indeed.

And while Chile was the only south American nation to stick by us and not side with the Argy's over the falkland's it was because she and the fascist military dictator Pinochet were very good friend's and possibly there was a money link to her husband whom despite appearing as a humble millionaire had his money to the tune according to some of several billion stashed around the world were it could not be traced much of it in Africa in later years which was lost to the Thatchers when a democratic government finally seized back control of one of those nest egg nation's, her son Mark later bankrolled a coup plot and if successful would have had his fathers ill gotten money back.
www.independent.co.uk...

In short she as a bad (but perhaps evil is too strong a word) woman not the nice lovely but hard lady she is often painted as, we did need her for the Falkland's though as if foot had been in charge as well as potentially being a commie mole he would have just let the Argy's have them (Would that really have been so bad, were they really worth all those lives just to save face I mean sheep and cold wet weather and inbred local's, mind you there's a village, well really a small town not far from here that is actually just like that so nah bad analogy ****) and they really do not have legal or historical claim to them as they make out, it was based on a ruling by the pope whom at that time was not in charge of England and whom divided south America between Portugal and Spain and on a later short lived self appointed argentine governor whom was there AFTER we had already established a colony and left markers saying we maintained our claim on those island's, we had also discovered them NOT the Spanish or the Portuguese but this is a whole other subject).

Back in the 70's my mother had one of those blue motability mini's, I don't like the term invalid she was disabled but stronger than most anyone you are ever likely to meet and all by will power, a catholic priest whom met my mother through a friend (She was Anglican) asked her for a favour, they had a Chilean priest and Doctor (a former top doctor in Chile) whose family had been murdered by the Pinochet regime and whom despite being a priest as well as a doctor had been forced to flee the nation in disguise on board a ship, he jumped ship in Liverpool and took sanctuary with the priest.

She did as the priest asked and he stayed one night sleeping at our house, seeing me (I was a sickly child) he said to my mother you have a very sick child there give him chocolate lot's of chocolate - calcium I would assume but either way I am still a chocoholic to this day, and then my mother drove him to Edenborough a very long drive for a disabled lady whose leg used to pain so much she would cry in secret holding it and thinking we did not see her, there he was given a Vatican passport and taken out of the country back to Rome - remember he was here illegally and if he had been sent back to Chile would have been executed and buried in a secret grave.


**** mind you that action to retake them also inadvertently sent a very strong message to the Russians and may very well have done just as much to bring an end to the cold war (the old one) as Regan's policy's did, it showed we a tiny island as far as the Russians 'were concerned could take on a beat a huge nation, so much more dangerous was all of Nato including the US and we brit's together if push came to shove, maybe there projections of a quick win would be completely wrong? and they had to think about that it certainly made there military nervous to see just how affective the British could be even even using already dated gear at that time though I am still of mixed mind about the sinking of the Belgrano, she was staffed by very young men just like our ship's and was steaming away from the Falklands and perhaps already outside of the exclusion zone when it happened, yes it was war and yes she did pose a potential threat to our ship's but not very much of a threat as even with her refit's and despite a complement of exocet she was an aging WW2 hulk, her refit's were mostly carried out in England and Scotland as well which meant her loss was an instant loss of revenue to those areas which had formerly done quite well out of doing high quality work on the aging vessel for the Argentinian's before there leader decided he needed something to distract his people (economy).
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posted on Jul, 28 2020 @ 02:25 PM
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Also remember when our lad's got back we heard story's, Argentinian kid's that could not have been more than 14 or 15 in some cases, no boot's on many of there feet in freezing weather, they were the enemy yes but they were also human being's.

And our own gun's could have been better, one of the guy's spoke about being in a trench when he encountered a huge Argentinian officer, he emptied a full magazine into him and he kept on coming until he was through several more bullet's.

They grew up in school believing it is there land because that is what there nation teaches them and of course that we are there illegally but in fact historically they are ours, we found them, we and the Spanish and also at one time some Portuguese whalers have colonies on them, there was a period when due to war in Europe we withdrew, in fact that was during the US war of independence but we went back and found an Argentinian had declared himself governor, he had been tempted by the sheep and cattle our settlers had left behind and then we evicted him and took them back.

It is a lot more complicated than this, French (they defeated Spain and Spain forfeited there claim to them to France) and US (Something to do with US whaling ship's being illegally taxed so they sent a few navy ship's and raised the Spanish colony to the ground) involvement in there history as well and legally the Spanish forfeited them to the French long before they gave them to the Argentinian's and the French sold there claim to the British (the Spanish claim being based on the fact that they HAD held a colony there for a while, larger and better armed than our own which was at the same time and they forced us off the islands despite our claim through discovery of the uninhabited land mass being stronger).

But at the end of the day muddy wet cold rock's and sheep and a small population (much much larger these day's due to people moving there once they learned the place existed?), watered by the blood of teenagers and young men over what?.

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posted on Jul, 29 2020 @ 01:03 AM
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My question is if we get enough votes can we rename democrats the pizza party and have there logo change to a baby in chains.



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