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Yugoslavian Issues Warning To All Americans

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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

"Experienced" socialism/communism....? Maybe when she was 3 years old, but I doubt she's even 30. So, a "warning" based on... a youtube video, nice!




posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Zealous, Jealous, Smellous...just meant he would have to try harder then the other Gods is all. If he were envious, well, he will just take everything away.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: Specimen88

Well erm yes I did get the air freshener out but how the hell did you know?.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 10:03 AM
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They also have to force people into compliance. A little bit like the Coronavirus lockdown/mask wearing thing. They enjoy the control of the masses, whether its economical, or face mask wearing or #ting people in their homes or using terrorist ground to pummel everyone, or not eating meat because it’s bad for the environment ... it’s all elements of control.
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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Yugoslavia? Seriously?

Yugoslavia, like Yugoslavian Communism, went out with Glenn Medeiros and Dynasty. Look it up.

So either this woman is looking very young for someone in her fifties or she's talking arse.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 11:40 AM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767

OURS WORKED, it worked until the Soviet's infiltrated and caused our union movement's to be completely subverted into calling unnecessary strikes, it was also ATTACKED constantly by the ultra right wing capitalists - mostly because they hated paying tax simple as that.



Spot on, sir, apart from one thing.

British socialism is unique in that it has roots in non-conformist Christianity going back almost 400 years. Marxism has been an influence but never the dominant one.

The soviet infiltration of the unions is a myth. The CPGB had very limited success in penetrating the unions. Even someone like Jack Jones, who had been a political commissar in Spain and went on to lead the TGWU, had little time for the Soviets. (He, like many Brits in the International Brigades, worked closely with MI5 during and after World War II, but that's another story).

The idea that the unions were run by communists is not that different from the idea that there are Marxists everywhere today. It sounds good but doesn't stand scrutiny if you know what communism and Marxism are. The problem had its roots in the complacency of British business in the 1940s, an attitude that infected the British economy well into the 1970s.

Instead of including workers' representatives on boards, British management - the same British management that refused Volkswagen's plant, tools and intellectual property as spoils of war because British cars were "better" - excluded them from any decision making. However, the election of July 1945 consolidated the gains that the working class had earned during the war and the pre-war deference was gone forever. Instead of working together, we ended up with an adversarial system.

It was easier to blame the Soviets (like blaming the Marxists today) than addressing the real root of the problem.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese

I shall accept your point since I too argue that ours was definitely a more Christian morality based socialism, we are after all the nation that abolished slavery or tried to and forced the other powers to do the same often at gun point when we held up there ship's in the Atlantic.
And I shall accept your belief on the union's but Militant remember were a Trotskyist movement whom tried to subvert Labour and definitely had soviet backing, even the Labour Party's left winger more extreme Marxist element could not stand them.

MI5 kept a very close eye on them and compiled some interesting dossiers we are likely to never see, perhaps because they (members of militant) had dirt on the government at the same time which is why some of there high ranking members such as Derek Hatton in the north west were let off even when the police had corruption and fraud evidence against them for crimes such as those he committed while running the Liverpool City council (Arguably though militant was probably too left even for the Soviet's to stomach except as a tool).

And there were other earlier attempt's to subvert what I believe is our most democratic party through communist infiltration.
www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Will America's Left simply rename it Democratic Socialism?



The two types of socialism are entirely different. And no type of socialism was Yugoslavia's problem, as others have pointed out.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 01:23 PM
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Great posts by Labtech and Whodathunkdatcheese. Didn't some of our Socialiam Model, Human Rights and Law also come from the Vikings and Celts aswel as Judeo-Christian values?

Our model worked with 100% employment, the NHS, Social Housing, human rights, personal and workers rights and a huge boost in industry until Thatcher #ed it up and destroyed UK manufacturing and industry to support support/create bi banks and create the stock/hostile takeover indusry that created mass poverty and billionaires.

USSR were infiltrating or at least had confidants in Labour and some Unions. The claims of PM Wilson being a KGB spy were found to be baseless and part of a coup plot by Jacod Rees-Moggs Dad to make the Tories win the upcomping election. MI5 were tryin to oust him by spreading dirt alongside Lord Mounbatten.

Interesting article on the affair: www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: Klassified

An interesting thread with some reasonable points made......but I've really got to comment on this:


Socialism in the UK after WW2 severely crippled your country.


Clement Attlee was Prime Minister of the UK from 1945 to 1951 and was in my opinion - which granted counts for nothing whatsoever - the greatest Prime Minister this country has ever had.

The United Kingdom was in ruins post-WWII.
It's infrastructure had been demolished and millions lived in temporary housing.
The nation was bankrupt due to the crippling debts incurred during WWII.
Millions of servicemen were returning to the UK but there were no jobs and existing industries had ample labour.
There was nationwide food shortages and relatively austere rationing was still in place.

In addition the British Empire was breaking up with more amd more colonies seeking independence - quite rightly so.

And then there was the further complication of the advent of The Cold War with USSR.

Billions were being pumped into the defeated West Germany and continental Europe but things were pretty damned harsh for the victorious British people.

But Clement Attlee and his Labour Party introduced Keynesian economic policies whilst completely overhauling domestic social policies.
He founded the NHS, improved the Benefit system, introduced National Insurance payments and the State Pension.
He nationalised key industries, initiated the building of council houses, reformed Trade Union legislation and created the National Parks whilst planning New Towns and granting increased powers to local council and authorities.

All of those contributed to a massive step forward for the ordinary working people of the UK.
They improved almost every single aspect of their lives and those achievements should never be under estimated.

If we had a modern day Attlee around today the future wouldn't look so bleak.....instead we have the hopeless, incompetent, self-aggrandising, self-promoting arseholes - of ALL parties - that dominate UK politics at present.

Just thought I'd point that out.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 01:47 PM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: LABTECH767

I guess you've never heard of Jews for Jesus, as someone said with no punctuation such as periods you words run together which when you mention Christians and Nazis in the same rambling long un punctuated sentence it becomes confusing.



Just quoting this for the 100% complete irony it represents.

You’ve gotta be f’n kidding me.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 02:13 PM
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a reply to: bastion

Spot on, it was a full on coup plot at one point and the Tory's had been given the blessing of the CIA in america whom had agreed to back them up, the plan was to storm the houses of parliament and arrest the labour prime minister and his cabinet then declare martial law and put Mountbatten in as a figure head prime minister.
www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Exactly right and the Tory's have been trying one way or another to dismantle everything he did since then, they knew it would be political suicide to destroy everything right away however so they have worked to erode the system until today which is a far less humane society than it was back then, back then people had stood together shoulder to shoulder the rich and the poor, the employed and the unemployed to see us through the war and a far more family spirit existed among the British people, since that time we have been divided - divide and conquer - and our sense of unity has vanished.

Without that sense of unity and with common sense these day's being at a premium the Tory's are getting in again and again and again, to be fair though they are not all bad people just follow a mentality I personally can not stomach too much of but some of them as unlikely as it may sound coming from a staunch traditional labour voter are not that bad at all in there heart's.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 02:53 PM
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Labour Party socialism started sliding into disrepute when they devalued the pound in 1967. That led to price rises, increased wage demands, more strikes and the Tories getting a surprise win in the 1970 GE.

It was the state interventions in the 1970’s that was the end of British socialism, both Tory & Labour did it. Failing private sector concerns being taken into government ownership and control. As if ownership in itself changed anything. That’s where ideology comes into it, the Labour left and unions thinking that state control would magically change everything, with happy healthy and contented Soviet style poster boys going off to work for British Leyland and British Shipbuilders and British Steel and all the rest. Delusional nonsense.

Human nature doesn’t change. The last few months are a testament to the fact that many British workers enjoy nothing better than sitting on their backsides while being paid to do absolutely nothing whatever. That’s as true now as it what in the 1970’s.

I could tell you stories from my own family, older relatives going to work at the steelworks and sleeping away their shifts in the car park (fair’s fair ... it was done by rota). Others having their whole homes carpeted, “Cunard Line” carpets were very popular in Glasgow and I’ve got one Uncle who is in his 80’s now and still has his QE2 Axminster carpets.

And that’s what did for socialism, British style. Idleness, inefficiency, overmanning, absenteeism on a planetary scale, thieving, resistance to change, vested interests, underinvestment and often spectacular and hopeless management. Oh and strikes too.

And that’s what crippled the Soviet system too. Taking 5 years from ordering your Lada to actually getting it. Shoe factories making left shoes, another making right shoes with a third factory to pair them up. That kind of thing fails in peacetime, state control of manufacturing. It’s a tremendous asset in wartime but in peacetime the whole thing goes to pot.

And that’s the thing. Socialism does work when you’re up against a set of circumstances which requires something for for the common good. Healthcare for example. Or the public gas/electrical/water supply. The fire brigade, police and ambulance services, the armed forces, road building, pensions and social security. The railways (please, the railways). All that is better provided by the public sector and depending on your political persuasion you might use the private sector in each to suggest improvements to the way things are done. But they’re all better in public ownership and control.

That I think should be the limit to British socialism. And when the private sector fails and when Debenhams goes bust, or Woolworths, or TSB or Northern Rock and all the rest go bust ... let them collapse instead of buggering the public finances by bailing them out.

Because that’s the tragedy of our days, now. The biggest socialists of the lot are companies and banks and we’ll off individuals which the public have to bail out today. We’re even subsidising #bag companies like Amazon and all the rest who dodge their taxes or require money and tax breaks upfront to move into our localities.

Bad enough we’ve to pick up the tab on that. But our grandchildren and theirs are going to be paying the bills for all this borrowed money. Or that created out of thin air, made up money that beggars our currency.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 03:10 PM
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You make some good point's and bring some good information to the board.

British Leyland (building mini's with hammers - still they were great old cars - but you can understand the government's wish to keep people mobile and keep an automotive industry in our nation) and other such manufacturers should never have been nationalised but British steel was another matter since we used to build our own ship's and it was seen as an essential industry for our national security.

The Union's got out of hand no one can dispute that.

But thatcher took a sledge hammer to a toffee tray in the way she crushed them.

Her husband Dennis could bring in Coal (most of his wealth like many Tory's was hidden so while in affect a billionaire even then he appeared on paper to be a millionaire with only about 4 million at currency values of that time) for penny's while it cost pound's to dig up out of the ground here.

The coal industry though had to go, men were dying from silicosis in a generation trap and way of life while there were better alternatives.

I am still angry about Salters Duck it would have solved all of our energy need's, slowed down erosion from the sea in areas were that is a problem perhaps even more affectively than dykes and concrete reinforcements but to protect the OIL and COAL industry some pencil necked clerk probably on orders from the top of government misplaced the decimal point in the initial cost outlay for a trial implementation of the technology which gave them the excuse to shelve the project indefinitely.

That said thing's that should definitely have never been privatized, WATER, ELECTRICITY PRODUCTION and public housing, selling it off impoverished the councils and did them out of there housing stock which they then could not replace, meanwhile it pushed up the cost of housing in the private sector since before this sell off the likes of Whimpey and Barret etc were building affordable starter homes that were within the budget of first time buyers and which they could pay off in as little as five to ten years, these day's they have to take out whole life mortgages.

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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 03:40 PM
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Certainly since Heath was PM the Tories have been trying to take away all the advancements made under the old Labour Party.
And I'm afraid to say they've been very succesful.....and even more sadly lately its been with the approval of the Briitsh people who have been dumbed down and conditioned into believing the propaganda constantly spewed by MSM.

Unfortunately the recent and current manifestations of The Labour Party bears little resemblance to that of its predecessors and are in my opinion at least as unfit for government as The Tories. They have betrayed their core traditional vote in favour of middle class, snowflake, politicall correct champagne socialists who put the interests of every minority and special interest group before ordinary, everyday British people.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 04:44 PM
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Spot on assessment, I believe that period of rot within Labour started when so called New Labour took control of the party in what can only be called political coup, they were so unrecognizable they spawned the REAL Labour movement but then took these real labour members to court and had them stop using the name causing that movement to reform Labour back to it's core values break up with many heading back to what was left of the old party and many being banned despite the fact most of those were not militant, militant in my opinion were a terrible swing too far in the other direction and they too betrayed labour's original core values but in a different way.

Oddly many of so called New Labours tory light Blairites had at one time been members of Militant themselves but never of mainstream labour, they were simply political whores that tore the Labour party apart for there own benefit and while not the worst them the current labour leader is actually one of that crowd himself but I believe he does have mostly - mostly - his heart in the right place though he is still arguably tory light.

If you cast your mind back to New Labour one of the lady's in the Blairite wing whom was formerly militant ended up wearing mink coats, talking far right of old Labour just as he had far left of it in her earlier years and becoming a baroness - talk about corruption and betrayal they were simply NOT Labour there is no other way of referencing them (in that respect the former militant Blairites were just like the communist party members in any communist state, they were in it for themselves only, it seems like an odd comparison until you remember Black limousines and Dachas - still they were infinitely better than the Condemn and then full on Tory's have been though Brown had to go I mean that guy fiddled the expenses on the treasury department he was in charge of and sold off our gold reserve for a quarter of it's value).

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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 07:45 PM
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There is no socialism in Christianity...


1 Peter 2:13-17
New International Version

13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.

www.biblegateway.com...

Jesus said he came to establish the kingdom of God. Not to establish any governments made by men. Socialism was made up by men, and hence it won't be a part of God's kingdom.

But people like "LABTECH767" are making up their own vision of Christianity instead of following what God and Jesus said.





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posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Well said, but don't expect any Americans to understand that. They see red commies everywhere.



posted on Jul, 27 2020 @ 07:57 PM
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originally posted by: ziplock9000
a reply to: LABTECH767

Well said, but don't expect any Americans to understand that. They see red commies everywhere.


Antifa and BLM themselves have said they want to implement Marxism, but you want to lie?... What an absurd argument... But I can't ask left-wingers to use logic at all. Logic has escaped from you as the truth escapes you.


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