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Yugoslavian Issues Warning To All Americans

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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 01:11 PM
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Like me this lady saw and experienced communism with a socialist economy, and she explains how those who wanted to continue to be in power in Yugoslavia, after the fall of the Berlin wall, through socialism changed the ideology name into a new form of "socialism" to try to make the masses embrace socialism again. They claimed it "was a new form of socialism and a better one," National Socialism. She explains how National Socialism was implemented in communist Yugoslavia for those communists to maintain power in Yugoslavia.

Unlike the left in western countries, those of us whom experienced socialism/communism know that National Socialism is just another branch of socialism. Despite false claims that "socialism gives equality to all" in fact it assures that the individual has no rights, only the collective matters. All branches of socialism agree with this view, including National Socialism.

Those of you who keep on claiming "there are no sides" are wrong, once long, long ago we were united and at least agreed in some things. But now the divide is too large and people have to choose a side otherwise you will become victims as well as your families for not taking a side.

If you have conservative values, and believe in the U.S. Constitution leave democrat hellholes. Your family, and you won't be safe there.




posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 01:27 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Will America's Left simply rename it Democratic Socialism?


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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 01:32 PM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Will America's Left simply rename it Democratic Socialism?



Yes, that is exactly what they call it.

Democratic Socialism, as though that makes it better.



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

That’s required viewing. I hope people take the time to watch the whole video. She’s a very intelligent young lady and pretty much nails what’s actually going on better than anyone else I’ve heard. She’s been there and has the T-shirt.


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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

First of all we have a completely DIFFERENT kind of Socialism over here in the UK as they did in the Nordic country's such as Sweden, Norway and Denmark, it was a genuine democracy no dictatorship and was created in the aftermath of WW2 to help us rebuild our nations, rebuild our industry and create housing and job's for people as well as a national health service for the good of the nation not just those few that could afford comprehensive medical care and of course Public Housing after the blitz destroyed so many houses over here in the UK.

OURS WORKED, it worked until the Soviet's infiltrated and caused our union movement's to be completely subverted into calling unnecessary strikes, it was also ATTACKED constantly by the ultra right wing capitalists - mostly because they hated paying tax simple as that.

OUR System was NOT Communist BUT for about thirty or more years it worked.

The problem is that ALL form's of governance are open to corruption, cronyism and outside influence bought with money.

The Problem with Communism and Fascism is that they actually are NOT socialism except on paper, they always but always end up being totalitarian systems that run nations into the ground and deprive people of there right's, even forcing them to think only the thought's that the 'state' want's them to think, except that it is not the State it is the PARTY and it is not actually the PARTY it is the ruling Clique within the party whom usually live very well off while there people starve.

In Capitalism - true capitalism - everything is for sale including YOU, your organ's, your life, your body, your soul and you are owned just as much as you are in a communist system.

A democratic system is neither Socialist or Capitalist but you know it is at heart a kind of Social rule so true - not Marxist - Socialism, it is the rule of the many not the few.

But were in this world can you find true democracy today, certainly not the west and definitely not in the east, it only work's on a small scale just like socialism does, like socialism which work's well at kibbutz level Democracy only really work's when everyone's opinion matters, when it get's too big and you need leaders that vote for other leaders and really it is money making the choice it is no longer democracy.

So I would argue that only CHRISTIAN - MORAL and with INTEGRITY leaders whom practice democracy and CHRISTIAN socialism (which is not casting your pearl before swine and it is not NAZISM either though you do look after your own kid's first THEN help everyone else when you are strong enough as a nation to be able to do so - so not accepting the world's problems when you have not solved your own) can work, it worked in western Europe for the first decades AFTER WW2 blooming to it's greatest level in the 1960's and ending when the Soviets infiltrated it by the union's in the 70's leading to most people having had enough of the constant strikes and voting in the ANTI socialist government's.

Sweden's worked best of all until they opened there door's to the world and now in the short period of time since they did there crime level's have shot up, there SWEDISH social system is over burdened and they are losing even there national identity to Islamic migrant's most of whom do not work, hate them and are just there for the free hand out (which was never meant for them but for the Swedish own people).

Today forward thinkers realizing that we face an imminent crisis as automation, 3D printing and other method's look set to replace the work force leading to a future of mass and unavoidable unemployment are considering putting in place a system of universal payment, fine it will work BUT only so long as Capitalism is REIGNED IN AND REGULATED.

This looming age of mass unemployment as people are replaced by ever more capable automated system's will also FORCE any government that cares about it's people to have to start building social housing, introducing state funded health care and education.

So unless you are fan of a huge kill off of the human race and want to see us all dead than there will have to be a compromise in the future between the Satanic Corporate world and it's legions of dark hearted capitalist storm troopers AND the people, that does not mean communism or Fascism (God forbid on either front) but it does mean a form of social and welfare system, housing, health care and an end to corrupt corporate run government's and banksters.


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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 01:59 PM
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She says the first point is to install hatred in people.
The Liberals/Leftists/Communists here have a vile hatred for everything and anyone that doesn’t go along with their particular form of mental illness.
Stock up on ammo.
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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 02:29 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

I SO wish you would use punctuation. PLEASE! I would love to read your thoughts but the constant run-on sentences/stream-of-thought style is difficult, man.
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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767
Normally I would say I want some of what you've been smoking, but I don't think I do. Socialism in the UK after WW2 severely crippled your country. Your global and economic power drastically decreased, nationalized industry was crippled and had to be continually supported by government, meaning the people paying taxes, and the rest of the Western world was way ahead of you. I would add the Japanese as well. Then Thatcher took over and breathed some life back into the country with free enterprise and private ownership. You folks were going under water for the third time to say the least.

Democracy? Democracy is and has always been mob rule. It has never worked and it never will. And in case you haven't noticed, the biblical God is not a socialist or a democrat. He is a emperor/king/dictator. It's his way or no way at all.

Lay off of that stuff bro, it's bad for ya.



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 02:55 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Read parts found it funny or should I say using Nazism and Christian in the same line. Nazism was anti Christian.



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

What the hell are you on about I am of Jewish, Maori, Irish, English descent.

The NAZI's were FASCISTS NOT SOCIALISTS despite there bloody name and I am sick and tired of arguing with IDIOTS that keep claiming they were Socialist.

Ever hear of the Night of the long Knives, no?.

Let's fix that for you, you see Hitler's movement was NOT one single party it was many, some of them were actual socialists that just did not want to be Communists since even then they could see that Communism was not the socialism they had dreamed of but something very bad, well after Hitler gained power thanks to these movement's and there numbers joining his other followers who were a hell of a lot more right wing the NAZI's had this little thing called a purge, they feared that many of these other group's leaders that had helped them gain power would overthrow there little party and take control and so they wanted them out of the way.

So the NAZI's killed there socialist members leaving only there extreme and I do mean extreme not patriot's but lunatic extreme NATIONALST members untouched - though they even killed a few of them in order to cement there position.

You see history is awfully inconvenient for those that want to use it to there end's when there end's are basically lies, someone whom knows a little bit more can come in and hammer there claim's down.

First of all it was the result of the end of WW1 were German's were dying in the street's, boiling old shoes for there leather for something to eat and even boiling grass like the Irish did in the potato famine, then it was the Weimar republic with it's runaway capitalism and ridiculous inflation and by 1933 the German's were desperate, they turned to a man whom promised a way out, he was evil and many of them knew it so are equally guilty for all he did but for most it was desperation.

For a short time his FASCIST rule worked, he did enact social policy's but also kept the class system were it was convenient for him to do so since he and his party now represented the ruling CLASS (A tad like the communists in there system were the ruling class and like them they were PARTY members but that is were the similarity end's), He enacted huge building projects many of which were never completed, planned massive new city's, built and built and build and rearmed breaking the peace accord's signed after WW1 but since Germany was so powerful everyone tried to appease him fearing another world war, in fact it was that appeasement that led to the war for had the other leaders had some back bone he would have held back possibly permanently but became emboldened so decided to fulfil his dream of expansion.

Soon before the NAZI's launched there invasion of Poland the money began to run out, they had found creative and very evil way's of supporting there expenditure spending money they seized from the Jewish family's that lived in Germany but it was in danger of running out so right next to Germany was a country called Poland, a nation that had once been more powerful than Germany but which had aged badly and whose armed service was weak and used outdated weapon's, a nation with a huge Jewish population as well as Jewish people and that was the answer, invade Poland and seize there money, he even made a fake deal with the Soviets so while he invaded half the country they invaded the other half.

In order to justify this action the NAZI's made a propaganda piece, they took prisoners from there prison's and dressed them in Polish uniform's then staged a fake polish commando attack on German soil in order to give themselves a pretext for there unprovoked aggression against there neighbour.

In Germany while the rest of Europe suffered the Germans' did not even have to use Rationing until late in the war, they were brainwashed into thinking that they were winning even when they were losing and believed it until very late in the war.

They drugged there own soldiers which was is called Crystal Meth in the states under the brand name Pervatin to make them able to fight when other soldiers would fall down, to take away there humanity and turn them into mindless killing machines.

They were NOT socialist and for that matter neither really are Communists they are both structures that put all the power into the hand's of usually despotic regimes led by despotic men.

And don't mistake Marxism for Socialism, he was an atheist and in fact it was Jesus whom said if you have two coats and your brother has non go and give him the one you are not using, go and sell all you own and give it to the poor them come and follow me, as you treat the least of these so too do you treat me, the son of man has no place to lay his head.

Socialism has it's true root's as long ago as the old testament period and in fact if you go to the ancient Mesopotamian culture there society was pretty bloody socialist in some way's though led by a king and a ruling priesthood, they had state education, food for the poor with grain being there currency not gold, a standing army and probably invented beer.

Atheist socialism want's chaos, so too does right wing anarchist nationalist neo Nazism, they are not and never will be the same thing and both are equally evil in the end, capitalism well all we can say there is slaves, thieves and ruling despot's.

Moderate socialism based on old fashioned European Christian ideal's and drawing much of it's inspiration from old testament and belief in the suffering Jesus is actually the only system that work's, except for the greedy, power hungry and haters of what is whom just want to try another pair of shoes on even though the one's they are already wearing are perfectly fine.

And it was JESUS who said cast not your pearl before swine, yes we help other's but like he said take out the beam in your own eye before you accuse your brother, only then can you see well enough to take out the speck in his eye.

It is ALMOST hypocritical to go and help the world while your own children starve (in fact it is evil to do so), while your own people are in rag's, while they are homeless and that is not Nazism simply good Judeo/Christian housekeeping, keep your own house in order so that you may then see to help other's with there's.

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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:40 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

I guess you've never heard of Jews for Jesus, as someone said with no punctuation such as periods you words run together which when you mention Christians and Nazis in the same rambling long un punctuated sentence it becomes confusing.



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: LABTECH767
Normally I would say I want some of what you've been smoking, but I don't think I do. Socialism in the UK after WW2 severely crippled your country. Your global and economic power drastically decreased, nationalized industry was crippled and had to be continually supported by government, meaning the people paying taxes, and the rest of the Western world was way ahead of you. I would add the Japanese as well. Then Thatcher took over and breathed some life back into the country with free enterprise and private ownership. You folks were going under water for the third time to say the least.

Democracy? Democracy is and has always been mob rule. It has never worked and it never will. And in case you haven't noticed, the biblical God is not a socialist or a democrat. He is a emperor/king/dictator. It's his way or no way at all.

Lay off of that stuff bro, it's bad for ya.


Actually that's bull, after WW2 Socialism gave us the NHS, Housing for soldiers returning from the war and there family's, a Proper pension system, Free Water oh we paid rates but the water was free, State owned public services, free public library's, free education even up to university level (And your nation tempted away our university graduates in what is today called the brain drain were our expertise was taken by your corporations, without our socialist education system many of your leading experts whom were born here would not be expert's in anything think about that).

And we subsidised our industry's, some we owned as essential asset's for the country such as our steel and ship building etc though some were taken over wrongly such as car manufacturers since communist element's within the Unions demanded it.

Subsidies were also paid to private enterprise to enable them to compete even in time's of economic hardship, to maintain job's and keep our people in work, can you EVER see your government doing that for it's people?.

But over all our system worked perfectly well, what crippled it was this simple but highly affective tactic, the elite in our nation whom held so much of our country's wealth and still do would move there assets out of the country every time a labour government came into power and every time this left them with an economic problem, when the Tory's got back in they would shift there wealth back here quickly instantly boosting the Tory's and making it look like they were doing a fine job, there was a constant war between these two party's as the Tory's tried to undermine what Labour had done and as Labour tried to fix the damage they caused the next time they got back in.

This continued until the Soviet's tried to take over in the 1970's through there communist infiltrators within our union movement's so in the end it was not the Tory's that destroyed our Labour movement but the Commies.

To my mind a system should be measured by one single metric the overall living standard and happiness of your population.

How happy are your people.

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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Jewish Christian's the Jews for Jesus I most certainly have heard of, I am proud of them.

Perhaps it really is coming time for us to receive our true government, the one that will last forever the one led by our King so in affect I am a monarchist, my King is Jesus.

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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:53 PM
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S&F

One of my closest friends left Tajikistan with his family in the late nineties to come to America for a better life. He speaks a great deal about shortcomings of Marxism and true Socialism as he lived it. Part of the problem is the fact that it appears the people really trying to push this thing want a hardline Bolshevik revolt. That’s what my eyes (as well as his) see at these riots, a true want for a total radical overhaul. When he speaks about this I listen because he lived it. Ironically he’s a very successful financial advisor now.



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 03:59 PM
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That is true, for me I want neither hard line, I want a caring system, a nation in which people enjoy MORE not less freedom (within moral values) and in which no one is left to starve, left homeless or to die of a curably illness.
So I hate both extreme Stalinist, Maoist and also extreme Capitalist ideology's.
I want something that work's for everyone, you can't ever please all of the people but if they are alive, healthy and happy then that is the system I want.



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Divide and conquer isn't a socialist idea tho...

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I forgot to add a nice little video that might clear things up for some people:


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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: ManSizedSquirrel

That is true, for me I want neither hard line, I want a caring system, a nation in which people enjoy MORE not less freedom (within moral values) and in which no one is left to starve, left homeless or to die of a curably illness.
So I hate both extreme Stalinist, Maoist and also extreme Capitalist ideology's.
I want something that work's for everyone, you can't ever please all of the people but if they are alive, healthy and happy then that is the system I want.

Well I definitely can’t disagree with you on that point at all. Most of us sane people want exactly that. The problem is when the pendulum swings too far one way way too quickly.



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: LABTECH767

Are you a Hebrew by the blood of of Abraham or are Jewish by converting to a religious like the daughter of Trump ?



posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:45 PM
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Oh boy...where to begin?... Tell me... What sort of ideologies believe that the individual doesn't matter and just the collective does?... Mussolini was a lifelong socialist he even wrote for the socialist newspaper and he envisioned a new form of SOCIALISM...fascism... Same with Hitler, and what led to Hitler was the constant protests demanding socialism in Germany which led to the implementation of "some socialism" in Germany and ended up with hitler imposing National Socialism... It isn't just their name.

They were anti-capitalists, and Hitler himself stated the individual belonged to the state, and the individual had to do with his/her property what is best for the volk/the people. Hitler forced capitalists to make what he wanted, to use the labor force he wanted, and set the prices for everything... Price control is another policy of SOCIALISM. People like you are just too brainwashed to admit the truth.

Why is it that through socialism and through communism in countries like Yugoslavia NATIONAL SOCIALISM was able to take a hold of the socialists/communists?... Did hitler murder socialists and communists that wouldn't side with him? yes AND SO DID EVERY SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST... Leaders in power of socialist/communist/fascist regimes don't like any threat to their power, and other socialists wanting to implement their own form of socialism/communism are a threat that ALL socialists/communist leaders murder, or order executed...

Your country was able to be revived through capitalism, not through socialism. As per Sweden and other Scandinavian nations?... THEY ARE ALL CAPITALISTS... with very high taxes... They are not socialist countries...


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posted on Jul, 25 2020 @ 04:50 PM
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You want a socialist utopia...and such utopias always take away all individual rights, impose price control which destroys the economy of every nation that embraces socialism... Your "socialist utopia" has been tried dozens and dozens of times and it always turns into a dictatorship...




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