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originally posted by: celltypespecific
THANK-YOU TTSA!
Have a wonderful day everyone!!!
If all Pilots are unreliable idiots then they don't have to take seriously what any Pilot is saying.
Pilot Distraction
Distraction - the Human Factor
• We are hard-wired for distraction
• Engineered into the aircraft
• Bottom line – we respond to distractions every single time
• Any safety solutions we adopt must incorporate the assumption that pilots will be distracted
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The evidence is overwhelming for extraterrestrial visitation.
originally posted by: neoholographic
Although most people are completely unaware of its existence, the UFO-Nukes Connection is now remarkably well-documented. U.S. Air Force, FBI, and CIA files declassified via the Freedom of Information Act establish a convincing, ongoing pattern of UFO activity at American nuclear weapons sites extending back to December 1948.
In this manuscript I debunk completely the Echo Flight UFO Incident of March 16, 1967, and prove that the myth of UFO interference with the nuclear weapons systems at Malmstrom AFB in March 1967 is a nothing but a poorly executed lie propogated by Robert Salas, James Klotz, Robert Hastings, Brad Sparks, CUFON, and NICAP -- a lie that has no basis in fact and lacks even the most liberal standards of proof. I've utilized newly discovered documents, in addition to the same documents, interviews, and published statements originally used and badly interpreted to support the belief in UFO interference with the Malmstrom missile systems, in order to destroy in minute, step-by-step detail, every aspect of the claims originally made by Robert Salas and James Klotz in their book "Faded Giant". Fully documented and footnoted, I examine in some detail all sides of this surprisingly well-documented event, reaching the only possible conclusion that UFOs had nothing at all to do with any of the events at Malmstrom in March, 1967 and nothing whatsoever to do with the missile failures that occurred. If you haven't read this book in its entirety, then you do not understand the events that occurred at Echo Flight and elsewhere that March.
I'm distributing this book completely free of charge in order to correct the historical record so badly maligned by the individuals named above, and because my father was the commander at Echo Flight on March 16, 1967. I believe that his entire, very honorable career has been co-opted by fools and liars as a footnote to their descriptions of an event that never occurred.
If you would rather download a copy of this book, it has been published at:
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Robert Hastings’ recently released film, “UFOs and Nukes: The secret link revealed”, has been praised, by Hastings himself, as presenting “overwhelming evidence” ...Without supporting documentation, it is hard to accept the more exotic details of these stories. This is why his claim that this is overwhelming evidence falls flat to individuals outside of the UFO community.
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I encourage the reader to read my article, Tim Hebert’s critique, and, if possible, watch Hastings’ film. In my opinion, it is only after viewing all points of view, and doing one’s own research, can one make an accurate assessment of the claims Hastings has made.
In his opening presentation of evidence, Hastings presents us with a January 31, 1949 FBI memo that describes UFOs appearing in December of 1948 near Los Alamos. 5 The FBI memo does describe sightings around the Los Alamos area but most, if not all, of these are not observations of “Flying saucers” but “Green fireballs”. While many consider these something related to UFOs, I consider them nothing more than bright meteors, which can be green. No evidence has ever been presented that they were alien spaceships as Hastings suggests.
Like the green meteors in Hastings' movie?
The evidence is overwhelming for extraterrestrial visitation.
originally posted by: celltypespecific
GOODMORNING WONDERFUL PEOPLE!!!!!! Its such a lovely day!!!!!
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Read what Tim Herbert said in context, since you have shown you like to twist words around and take things out of context like you are doing here. Figel was one of Hasting's star witnesses and Figel changed his story, and would not sign an affidavit, after which Hastings became agitated and Tim Herbert was trying to figure out why Hastings was making veiled threats against Figel, so he asked a question if maybe Figel had received payment from Hastings, which might give Hastings reason to do what he did:
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: Arbitrageur
LOL, this is what you call evidence? An opinion shrouded in qyalifying statements? Here's some examples of your evidence.
After 44 years, none of the supposed eye witnesses have ever been identified, nor have these people ever came forward, concluding that they may never have existed in the first place.
This is just a lie. Witnesses did come forward and told the story as to what happened. There's not a shred of evidence that they made anything up. It's just his "conclusion" based on nothing. I can easily say it strengthens their case because you have people that saw a U.F.O. who just want to life their life. They don't want to be bothered with pseudoskeptics like you.
He made an accusation that Figel was paid for his interview.
On 27 September 2010, Hastings and Salas gave a press conference in Washington D.C. (National Press Club). Up to seven former Air Force members provided affidavits affirming UFO activity over either Echo or Oscar flight. Notably missing from this group was Walter Figel. A check on Salas' Web page listed all of the signed affidavits and contents. No where was there listed a signed affidavit from Walter Figel affirming his story. In the past, I thought this to be a mystery, but in light of my new conclusion, it may fit perfectly well. If the UFO story had no truth to it, and Figel was aware of the story's exaggerations, it would be reasonable to assume that he would not have been willing to produce an affidavit affirming it, nor would he be willing to advance the exaggerations before a national audience by his presence.
This could further explain Hastings' public frustrations concerning Figel's lack of group conformity. In recent on-line postings, Hastings had chastised Figel's "back tracking" as timid and waffling since Figel's story was the corner stone to Hastings' UFO theory. In some of Hastings' posting, he had issued veiled threats of legal action against Figel. Why threats of legal action? Figel never signed an affidavit so he is not legally bound to Hastings in that regard. The only other way that Hastings could have a legal argument is if he had a personal contractual agreement with Figel. Did Robert Hastings pay for Figel's interview back in 2008? This would explain Hastings angst and legal threats if he indeed had such a contract with Figel.
In an attempt to see if Figel would be willing to clarify my questions and assumptions, I personally sent the following email:
Col. Figel, my name is Tim Hebert. I, like you, am a former Minuteman crew member. I was assigned to Malmstrom AFB, 490th SMS, from 1981-1985, with a follow-on assignment to Grand Forks AFB, Wing Codes Division, from 1985 to 1988. I'm writing you in regards to the Echo Flight case which occurred back in 1967, as I have been following the history of the case and on-going points of contention between Robert Hastings and James Carlson. I was wondering if you would indulge a fellow Minuteman crew dog by my asking your opinion of the case. I am aware that the Echo Flight incident occurred some 40 years ago and that you have been asked numerous times for your recollections of that event, yet will spare me some of your time.
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When Hastings and Salas gave their press conference in Washington D.C. back on 27 Sept. 2010, I noticed that you were not in attendance. This struck me as odd as for the past few years Mr. Hastings has used your interviews as the foundation to proffer his UFO theory. Did Mr. Hastings ever ask you to sign an affidavit similar to the other participants of that conference? If Hastings did ask and you declined, why so?
And lastly, did Mr. Hastings offer to pay you for your interview? Please forgive my directness, but if this was so, then this would explain Mr. Hastings on and off attitude towards you as he has recently stated in numerous articles that you were "timid" and "waffling" as far as his (Hastings) perceived weakening support for his UFO theory.
Your thoughts in these matters would be greatly appreciated. Quite honestly this would go along way towards the clearing up of a lot of confusion concerning this case. Personally, I'm not a big fan of Robert Hastings (he is not a fan of mine) as he tends to paint those of us that served honorably in SAC and on the crew force as pawns or dupes of the government. It appears that he may attempt to do the same regarding the recent events at FE Warren. Our command and government were not perfect by any means, but we all, including our leadership, attempted to do the best that was possible in the defense of the country.
No this is another example of you twisting what was actually said.
So this person conjured in his head that Figel was lying and was paid for an interview but it turns out he was wrong and the guys just didn't want to be involved more than they were.
He tried. He asked Figel to clear things up, but Figel didn't reply.
He never talked to the man.
Herbert worked at the same missile facility as Figel, Salas and Carlson, so he is a veteran himself, experienced with the missile facility Hastings tells his story about, and he has talked to lots of other missile veterans since he worked with them personally.
Out of the 150 Veterans that Hastings talked to and some gave affidavits, how many did Tim Herbert talk to?
This is the evidence that you presented so you should know the answer. Please don't dodge the question.
Hastings' 150 former military members? What of the silence of the tens of thousands of us who pulled nuclear alerts over the span of 5 decades?
recognizing meteors for what they are is not dropping common sense. As for all the other stories from Hastings, Printy does not cite meteors, so again you're distorting what he said by implying green meteors debunks everything. I doubt you even read his article.
So the people who experienced these things and others relate this sighting to U.F.O.'s we're supposed to drop common sense and reason..
originally posted by: neoholographic
a reply to: Arbitrageur
This was a lot of nothing!
You obfuscated and you didn't answer my question. I asked yoi another question like 8 times and you didn't answer that question. I guess this is round 2 of you avoiding questions.
Let's start with the question I asked:
PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION:
Out of the 150 Veterans that Hastings talked to and some gave affidavits, how many did Tim Herbert talk to?
This is the evidence that you presented so you should know the answer. Please don't dodge the question.
Again, he assumed Figel was paid for his interview. Nobody told him this, he just conjured it up and Hastings was asked about this and responded this way.
"As for Tim Hebert's comments, no, Figel was not paid for his interviews with me, nor was Meiwald. Neither want to get further involved in the controversy and certainly will not provide affidavits. Are you saying that Cols. Figel and Meiwald are lying, Tim? I'm sure that both men would like to know."
Why didn't Figel reach out to Herbert directly or indirectly and trash Hastings?
Again, Herbert is another illogical pseudoskeptic that makes inferences and turns them into facts in his own mind. Here's how one poster on his blog smacked him down in the very few comments he gets.
Let's look at the illogical statements of pseudoskeptics. You quoted Printy saying:
Hastings' 150 former military members? What of the silence of the tens of thousands of us who pulled nuclear alerts over the span of 5 decades?
Herbert said the same thing on his blog:
You mention 100 professionals that Hastings had interviewed, what of the 10,000 plus that offer no such testimony...me being one of them?
This is like saying 100 stores were robbed in the city but 1,000 stores were not robbed so we're not going to believe the 100 that were robbed because they must be lying LOL. This is the pseudoskeptic lack of common sense just like you said all Pilots are unreliable. It's what I talked about earlier, the shield of ignorance.
Again, I end with a question.
PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION:
Out of the 150 Veterans that Hastings talked to and some gave affidavits, how many did Tim Herbert talk to?
This is the evidence that you presented so you should know the answer. Please don't dodge the question.
The reason you will not answer this question is because the answer is...........ZERO
It's pseudoskeptic nonsense full of qualifying statements that shows he's conjured these things in his head.
originally posted by: neoholographic
How many of these 150 Veterans came out and said they were lying and recanted their stament? How many came out and said Hastings is a liar so don't trust him?
I'm waiting for your answer...........
That's sort of what happened with Hastings' star witnesses I think. If you say something that's not true, is that a lie? It depends on how you define lie I suppose. Of the 150 witnesses Hastings talks about, he's posted 7 affidavits on his website.
originally posted by: Harte
People who have told a lie don't typically recant until they are found out.
Harte
So how reliable is a changing story like his when he apparently can't remember or got confused about which site was allegedly involved? This is compounded by the fact nobody has found any documentation supporting his story at either location.
This material is © Copyright 1999 by Robert Salas and Jim Klotz
Updated - 15-May-2000 - *please note that in previous versions of this presentation, we stated that Robert Salas was on duty in the November-Flight LCC. Later research and witness testimony has revealed that it was actually Oscar-Flight.*
Find that text on the link and listen to the audio right after it, it's Halt's own evidence that shows the 5-second interval, exactly.
The Orfordness lighthouse has an interval of 5 seconds. Now listen to the same exchange again; I've added a beep at exactly five second intervals: