Also the theory of 'hook them while they're young' like the tobacco industry has to be in the minds of the drug companies. Getting life long buyers of your prodcut is great for profits.

It's all a part of our social engineering, O. Just a part of the plan.

And yes, I'd say the pharmaceutical industry is one of the biggest in this country. They want to get as many folks addicted to their legal SMACK as early as possible. Junkies for life. It's two-pronged, too. They make big bucks and its so much easier to deal with a drugged out, compliant population. Read Aldous HUXLEY's "Brave New World." Just give everyone their daily dose of SOMA and every ting will be oooK!

If we are not to be the sheep they thinkwe are and want us to be, the time to stop this is NOW.

Great post East Coast Kid!

Sad to hear a kid died from Ritalin.

The drug companies and those involved will get their due punishment for drug crimes, as long as there are those of us who will to spread truth. Mankind is not stupid. The truth will destroy their lies. A lie cannot stand up to the truth.

I, for one, will not be molded into a mindless robot. My soul is not up for grabs.

Troy

Y'all remember the post 9-11 Anthrax "attacks," right? How many of you know that the sudden demand for CIPRO in its wake is said to have saved the Baer corporation from going under? A cowinkydink? I think not.

Schools cannot force a child to be medicated so even if a child IS labeled by the school it's not like they can treat the child with medication. That is a decision that only a parent can make.

And, assuming some child gets labeled with some mental illness in high school, exactly WHAT can be done with that? It's not like your high school record is encoded in your drivers license or ID card. Most of us have never even SEEN our permanent school records. Transcripts yes, complete records? No way.

Medicating a child is a personal decision. It is not something that should be taken lightly and a parent should have second, third, fourth, fifth opinions before medicating a child. But, too many parents go to the Doctor desperate, wanting quick fixes, something to make their OWN life easier because they have an out of control child and they gladly allow their child to be medicated before they even know what the real issue is.

Some of you mentioned you grew up in the 70's and didn't hear about ADD. Well, I was born in '67 and can remember at least 7 boys that I went to Elementary school with that were on medication for 'hyperactivity'. It wasn't unheard of to be medicated for hyperactivity, it was just not talked about. Obviously children weren't medicated as frequently as they are today, but they WERE medicated.

Commercials for pharmaceuticas should not be on the air, but that's another discussion.

Jemison

Given the amount of money in pharmaceuticals today, wouldn't it be a thought to create mental conditions that can be solved by your product......mental illness carries a significant social stigma and the fear of societal pressure will make it likely that people will assuage their fear by responding to the advertising.......remember, public speaking(social pressure)is more feared than death.

What better way to sell your product than to create your own market?

The idea would appeal to the government because it would reinforce the status quo.......

New Freedom Commission on Mental Health

By the way........what does freedom have to do Mental Health? And at which point in the future will this commission cease to be New?

Don't think kids are being pushed into medication? As I have posted quite a few times my 4 year old nephews teacher has pushed and pushed for him to see a specialist, which leads to medication. What the hell does a 4 year old need a specialist for, especially since he is ahead of the rest of the class? She can kiss my butt cheeks. And I might not wash my butt for a while befoer she kisses it. There is a vivid picture for you, as if you really needed it.

Peace,

Troy

Originally posted by cybertroy
Don't think kids are being pushed into medication?

Dude........I agree with you. I was taking a step further and implying that many emotional/psychological conditions may have been 'created', a kind of psyops if you will. The fear of being thought crazy is a valid one indeed and is preyed upon in many situations.........

To clarify my position, I think a screening of school children for mental illness is a horrible idea. Genes haven't fully expressed themselves. The experiences that will comprise the psychological make-up of an individual is still in process and diluting these experiences with concerns of insanity or mental illness is appalling to say the least.......the current administration is suggesting this why? Why is it a good idea for us to start suspecting and potentially fearing our children instead of being proactive in their development? Why do we allow other people to state what is best for our children, children they have no personal experience with and why are we subjecting them to ill refined generalizations? A good psychologist deals with individual circumstances and a standardized screening is going to gloss over the relevant facts in the interest of posting results and therefore validation for this project.

Cybertroy, I'm not sure how you got that I was assuming that meds weren't being pushed on kids from an accusation that corporations were creating the rheotoric that defines mental illness, or from a subtle poke at the intentions of a commission that is designed for domestic manipulation and its use of the term freedom........I meant the question seriously. What does Freedom have to do with Mental Illness? Answer.......Nothing!!! But people are going to see the word freedom and immediately assume it has to be something for their best interests, because it is about freedom.....freedom from what, are children?!? People, this is where the polarization is....getting family to take the word of government over their own experiences because of an education that denied them the ability to discern reality....

Sorry for the rant..........I'm with you Troy, keep your nephew free of meds. If you want, suggest that the aforementioned speacialist see me......

It's cool, if I misunderstood anybody's position, my appologies.

Troiy

Drug makers to profit from Bush scheme to label kids mentally ill - I guess this is the first time I will be recommending a poster's article in ATS

Don't think kids are being pushed into medication? As I have posted quite a few times my 4 year old nephews teacher has pushed and pushed for him to see a specialist, which leads to medication.

What kind of teacher? Pre-school?

It is against FEDERAL law for a teacher to force a parent to medicate their child. If you feel this teacher is doing that you should get an advocate.

Some 4 year olds may need to see a specialist. My oldest daughter is a genius but starting in preschool the teachers could see that she learned differently. She was assessed and has dyslexia and Auditory Processing Disorder. Neither of those merit medications, but she did have to see a specialist to be diagnosed.

Not all teachers are out to medicate children. It could be that your nephews teacher is, but I just wanted to clarify that there ARE legitimate reasons to send children to a specialist and many times those reasons have nothing to do with medication.

Just my two cents.

Jemison

First off, yes, there are conditions that truly call for some kind of medications. And things like dyslexia are very real. This is not what this thread addresses, though. What this thread is addressing is the whole business of manufacturing conditions and pimping drugs on tv. It is also about Bush's plan to screen ALL children in public schools from preschool to 12th grade.

A lot of excellent points have been made. Especially the point that young children have not nearly developed to the point that anyone could truly and honestly classify them as being in need of these designer drugs. Why would anyone in their right mind want to start pumping drugs into their children's underdeveloped systems for conditions that may - or may not - be anything more than NORMAL behavior? Kids are hyperactive! They have seemingly endless amounts of energy. It's NATURAL! It's part of the growing process. Many of these drugs are NOT even fully tested. We have no way of knowing what the endgame is going to be. These drugs may hurt our children in ways we can't even imagine at this time. It's just wrong. And the government has NO business telling you your child HAS to be screened for mental illness. That is a PRIVATE health matter for you to handle as you see fit.

I honestly believe some conditions we hear about these days have been manufactured for the sole intent of making BIG bucks off largely un-needed medications. The pharmaceutical industry is there to make money - NOT save the world. It's a business like any other. Do NOT confuse drug makers with doctors. And today's doctors.. what to say about them? The ones who are in cahoots with the drug reps.. They give out meds instead of treating the problem at the core. They give it out like dope to junkies. It's just easier and more profitable. It's unconscionable.

The question was also raised.. what does freedom have to do with mental health? It has NOTHING to do with it. Just like the ridiculously named PATRIOT act, it was named that to make people think it trustworthy, that it is there for their benefit. Like everything else in today's Bush Bizarro Universe, black is white and night is day. All I can say is that anyone who has kids should read the report and then be the judge. Afterall, it's only your kids health and well-being we're talking about. Forget about the issue of states rights and privacy.

I think the rationale behind all of this is bigger than what is being discussed here.
If the powers that be are able to label kids as mentally ill at a young age then later as they become adults it will be simply an administrative procedure to place them in institutions or prisons or concetration camps, should they pose a problem to the goals of the powers that be.
Labeling is one of the greatest tactics used to discredit and disenfranchise sectors of the public.This forum should already be accutely aware of this. After all anyone espousing the theories discussed here, have already been labeled as kooks and are not taken seriously.
Anyone who disagrees with the current administration has been shouted down as being un-patriotic and naive and they have been marginalized. This isn't a theory. It's happening now.

Originally posted by freddieb
If the powers that be are able to label kids as mentally ill at a young age then later as they become adults it will be simply an administrative procedure to place them in institutions or prisons or concetration camps, should they pose a problem to the goals of the powers that be.

Yes, that is true. I totally agree with your assumption. There is an industry in this country that is growing at horrific proportions. That would be the incarceration industry. Private prisons. And in the future, probably detention centers. Once you or your kids are labled, you're damaged goods and the state will be able to step in and treat you as they see fit. Or house you - for the GOOD of society. (And for the good of drug manufacturers.) Oh yeah, and just imagine how compliant a society we will be if the majority of Americans are on the SOMA. It's beyond Orwellian.

Once a child is identified as having a disorder, medication won't be mandatory, but there will be pressures brought to bear if parents don't medicate their child. Special Education, anyone?

I have TWO children that recieve special education services. They are in the gifted program but have pull out services to help them deal with their Auditory Processing Disorder and their Dyslexia. I know the B.S. that goes on in the schools in regard to special ed, IEP's, etc. I've had to fight for my children on numerous occassions, however, not ONCE has the school mentioned anything about medicating my children. Yes, they suspect both girls have ADHD in addition to the Auditory Processing, BUT they have never even hinted about medication. Maybe I'm being treated differently from other parents because the school is aware of the fact that I have my Masters in child psych, maybe my daughters are treated differently because they have such high IQ's, maybe our experiences are atypical because we are in an affluent area, I don't know. I DO know that any school that attempts to push a parent into medicating their child is in violation of federal laws and that it is the parents job to be an advocate for their child, NOT to allow a school to bully them or their child.

Back to the topic ... exactly when is this 'screening' going to start? How in the world can they do it without the permission and INPUT of parents? I just don't see how they can pull it off unless they get parental involvement and I don't think parents would go along with it. My personal thought is that this is just an option that our Government may have but will never actually come to pass.

Jemison

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
What I wrote primarily has to do with how we are being bombarded by BS from the pharmeceutical industry and how the Bush administration is working to help them further their nefarious agenda
- by preying on Americas rampant familial dysfunction.

I merely trace the changes from 30 yrs ago on.

Instead of loving and disciplining their children, so many of today's parents run to the nearest doctor to dope them up into obedience.

from my perspective, the BushRegime was created by a govt run amok,
and a system of pseudo-oligarchs run our govt agencies.
This all began under LBJ's 'Great Society'
which created the greater probability of dysfunctional and/or 1 parent 'households' (as you see, the description 'family' was deleted from the popular lexicon)

The school system was then flooded with newvoters having an allegience to the State that afforded them grants & favorable education.
The swarm of programmed, liberalminded do-gooders set about to direct
the following generations of credit oriented, consumers-in-bondage & fastfood/popculture hedonists...
The control of the youth was wrested from the biological 'parents' in favor of the more enlightened, rule-of-law, un-biased Bureaucracies like DHEW
DHEC...to cite a few..... aided by the teachers unions and NEA.... etc.

A child in my family was 'diagnosed' by a counseler at public school as
being 'Autistic'...and was probably on the way to being another morsel
of 'soylent green' for the system...except the plot was shortcircuted by the
biological parents withdrawing the lad from the public to private school !
(the parents were well aware of the 'Ridilin" zombies that were/are created
to put less strain on a singular Bureaucracy & to create a monetary windfall for the household- in forms of disability $ and other assistance prgms)

This short lived 'window' of Home Schooling, (which was not available to
those of us without a 'Teaching Degree') will probably, soon slam shut.

It wouldn't matter if it were Bush or Kerry as Pres. (recall That Slam?)
the system itself is so large & influential, it has & is creating its' own
channels in the landscape of America...un-restrained capitalism is 1 culprit

thanks ECK for the toe space...yall keep scaling the wall

Originally posted by St Udio
thanks ECK for the toe space...yall keep scaling the wall

Great post, St Udio.. and others. Thx for the contributions.

Jemison, this program I mentioned is a federally mandated health-screening initiative BushCo. is trying to cement into law. As I've briefly mentioned, this isn't just a private family/doctor matter (which is the upmost concern), it's an issue of states rights. The states should have the right to tell the federal government to stick it, if said state doesn't like it. But.. that would mean no program, no denero from Uncle Sam. So.. the states would most likely jump at the chance to make some extra pork.

Think they can't enforce it? How many people out there have been able to enroll their children in public school without their vaccinations? It'll become as commonplace as that.