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What is absolute and what logical consequence does that have on the nature of humans?

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posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 10:38 AM
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The necessity of an absolute

It seems to me that most people have forgotten the relationship between existence and truth. Whatever a person gives priority to in terms of existence, be it matter/energy, Brahman or Christ, will necessarily effect the things below it. When I talk about priority I mean that existence of one thing precedes another, for example, the existence of my parents takes existential priority over the existence of my brother and myself, assuming we don't believe in eternal souls or something of that nature.

If you know nothing of the origin of existence, then you know nothing absolutely. If you know nothing absolutely, then you cannot possibly know anything at all. At the very least knowledge is an acquired truth, but if one knows nothing absolutely, then one can never know what it is to be true and what it is to be false in any absolute sense of the terms. Said in another way, if there is no absolute knowledge, then no human has access to an absolute standard of what it is to be true and what it is to be false, and thus knowledge would be impossible. People who think this way are ultimately nihilist, and nothingness is their God. So with the understanding that something need be absolute less you lose access to knowledge I ask you what is absolute? What God do you serve? I serve the Triune God of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, and it is here that my worldview begins.

What logical consequence does your worldview have on the nature of human beings?

Ontology simply put it is the study of what is real and not real. Anthropology has a domain within philosophy and it studies what is real about human beings that make them humans and not something else. It studies the essence of what man is, and in Christian theology a man is a body, soul, and spirit. These three distinctions are real, but they cannot be divide from one another and a man still exists. It's a lot like water. If we break the bond between two hydrogen atoms and an oxygen we destroy any notion of a water molecule. Once the molecule is destroyed the behavior unique to water molecules falls away. A body, soul, and spirit are three realities united and immanent within an individual human in the same way hydrogen and oxygen are different realities that have a bond between them immanent and united in what we call an individual water molecule. It would be rather odd for Christians to believe that they have a soul, and not know what it is. These three realities operate in harmony to allow human beings to function in their environment, so the state of the body affects the soul and spirit and vice versa.

The soul and spirit have a relation similar to the body and the eye. The spirit is the eye of the soul so to speak, and it is the deepest part of man that functions in his heart as a type of attention on spiritual things and in the brain as reason or intellect. Today's reality views man's drive for pleasure and fear of suffering as rather black and white, but Christians view the body as something to be ruled over and governed by their soul and spirit. Paul said that the "body wars against" the soul, and that "I buffet my body", to keep it under control. This is a very early reference to Christian asceticism in which one willfully subjects the body to suffering as they pray so that one may strengthen the power of their soul to govern the body through prayer. Asceticism is like lifting weights for your soul, and those who don't practice this will have harder time controlling their body, because they let the bodies impulses rule their mind. The soul is capable of entering into warfare with the impulses of the body as if the body is something foreign and hostile, and is able to gain victory over their body or suffer defeat. Most people have experienced the desire to do something due to physical impulses like the desire to overeat because you enjoy the way something taste. In some way most people are familiar with battles between the soul and the body. It is likely that you have experienced the functions of the soul, but because your anthropology is different you attribute it to something different from Christians. God has revealed this information to man about himself in three forms of incarnation: through and in created things, through and in the Scriptures, and through and in the God-man Jesus Christ.

Through and In Created Things

St Maximus formulates, though not in a systematic way, a very advanced view of metaphysics in his doctrine of the Logos and the Logoi. In essence the image of the Monadis adapted and changed to make sense of the Christocentric model of cosmology Maximus has in mind. There are two forms of movement pictured with each radii of the circle one is expansion circumscribed by procession and the other is contraction circumscribed by a transferring convergence. Each radii of the circle is understood to be expand outward in a procession that holds together terminating in a hierarchy that mirrors this double movement. In one sense the hierarchy goes from what is common down, but what is common can only be understood in relation to a community of individuals, and so we have a unity in plurality. The contraction involves the creatures turning and returning to the center of the circle which represents Christ, and this contraction causes the particulars we find at the perimeter to converge without confusion as grace is transferred to them in the process of deification. This is the mystery of divine love and all of creation is centered in this other giving love.

Through and In Scripture

The doctrine of the Logos and the Logoi continues here. It may be good to explain that logos is a singular word while logoi is the plural form of that word. A Logos is a divine idea that are thought-wills of God the Father. God the Father knows of himself and thus we speak of an eternal generation or betting of the Logos of God, and in knowing himself God the Father knows himself as distributing his goodness to something other than himself, and it is here that we have the many ideas of God that are of things other than himself. So in knowing himself, God knows all of creation, it is that unity in plurality we saw in the previous section. Within the Logos of God, the Logos of God is made incarnate immanent within relations between the many books and words it contains and the logos of scripture reveals to man the Logos of God as the one who distributes life, being, and goodness down from above.

Through and In the God-man Jesus Christ

The Logos of God begotten of God the Father was known for eternity not only as God, but as the man he would become incarnate as at the proper moment so that God may be revealed to man as the gracious giver of life, goodness, and being.

It is through these three forms of incarnation that man is given being, and given access to the divine principles behind reality that allow an absolute standard of truth to be discerned.

How does your absolute effect the nature of human beings? Given that absolute, would human beings have access to knowledge?




posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 01:12 PM
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God as an idea absolutely didn't exist until early humans first invented it sometime within the last 200,000 years.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 03:32 PM
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a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb



Best of luck in the seminary!!



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: TzarChasm


Do you have any answers to the questions I asked?



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 06:28 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Haha not in seminary just really like theology and philosophy.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 08:26 PM
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a reply to: ServantOfTheLamb
Absolutism is merely a tag in itself, and has more than one meaning anyway. You just can't 'force' absolutism, and any 'logical consequence' of that is useless.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 09:13 PM
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Interesting you would bring up something from Gnostics and words of Paul. Father, Son an Holy Spirit, ironically might as well be body, mind an soul/heart.

Imo, Logos originally was supposed depict the overall matrix of being human, and Sophia was symbolically "thought/ reason or wisdom" while the Demiurge is "matter" and was egotistical and an absolute who made.

Logos never get elaborated other then being considered the true god rather then the Demiurge/Artisan. Other then Gnostics, Catholicism/Christianity is only ever really used. Logos isnt really much of a symbol, but in a nut shell a formless concept of, the thought before thought.



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posted on Jul, 23 2020 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: smurfy

I know what absolutism is and yes in arguing that their is something absolute in philosophical systems. I gave an argument as to why. Simply telling me you think I'm wrong without reason isn't helpful.



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