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Why it is Impossible to Close The Divide Between Trump and Biden Supporters.

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posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 10:37 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: carewemust
No its not
Trump isn't all that
He is just better than that crapbag biden
Thats it
No great accomplishment

So you're willing to "meet in the middle". To compromise. That's good. If enough people on the other side are willing to do the same, progress can be made.

edit on 7/22/2020 by carewemust because: (no reason given)




posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: shooterbrody

Ditto I would rather have a wind bag pro American who has entrench GOPers as never Trumpers than someone who will be controlled by Shummer and Sanfran Nancy who will be controlled by AOC and her American hatting posse.



As pointed out, although both are flawed men, Biden is a danger to our children and future generations. His Dementia makes it more likely that we'll be attacked by another country.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 10:42 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: carewemust
No its not
Trump isn't all that
He is just better than that crapbag biden
Thats it
No great accomplishment

So you're willing to "meet in the middle". To compromise. That's good. If enough people on the other side are willing to do the same, progress can be made.

Depends on the issue
Definitely willing to discuss solutions



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: vonclod
I think 50% of the votes will be for "anyone but him" that goes for both candidates.


What about Independents? At 38%, they are a huge chunk of voters.

www.pewresearch.org...



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 10:51 AM
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It is not so much the candidates, it is the fundamental policies that are polar opposite between the two parties.

Before I start listing the fundamental beliefs and policies of each party I want to say this: I know that some of you will say, but Republicans are...... and not..... , but Democrats are .... and not.... and you will point out the foibles of prominent individuals within the party
but these are the basic values of each party,
and like people of every religion who are supposed to follow
their religions values
there are those who do not follow or exemplify their party's values.

Trump/ ie /Republican Party:
Believes the US is a fundamentally good nation that had it flaws but is basically good
Believes the American people are basically good
Are proud of the country, the nation, the flag
Believe a person's character should be the measure by which we judge and treat others
Believes the constitution is a basically good document that should be followed
Believes in capitalism as the foundation of the prosperity of the nation so far
Believe in free speech
Believe that the life of every US citizen has value and worth and matters, including viable fetus'
Believe in the right to bear arms and defend oneself
Believe that the police are mostly helpful to society, knowing there are bad apples in every group
Believe in religious freedom, even in public (i.e. having a Bible in your desk or wearing a cross necklace)
Believe that government should be as small as possible and taxes as low as possible
Believe that the US should be energy self-sufficient and as self-sufficient as possible
Believe citizens should have the freedom to choose in as many areas of their lives as possible.


Biden/ ie / Democratic Party:
Believe the US was founded in racism and slavery and has been flawed with evil actions from it's founding
Believes the American people are basically racist and sexist and need to be shaken up and "woke"
Are ashamed of the country, the nation and the flag as basically flawed, racist and sexist
Believes that a persons race, gender, and gender identity are the foundation of how we treat others
Believes the constitution is a set of negatives that hampers the US Government from doing what it should
Believes that speech must be controlled and politically incorrect speech should be punished
Believes the US should be fundamentally transformed into a socialist nation
Believes that police are mostly racist and bad people and should be defunded
Believes people should not bear arms or have the right to defend oneself
Believes that only some US citizen lives matters, and fetal lives don't matter at all
Believe Judeo-Christian religion has no place in the US society in public
Biden said he believes however that Islam should be taught in public schools
Believe government should be large and take care of the everyday needs of people through high taxation
Biden said he WILL raised taxes substantially on everyone to achieve his $10billion social program goal
Believe the US should not be energy self sufficient and should end coal and oil production for the environment
Believe that the US should be global and not worry about self sufficiency because that is a nationalistic outdated notion
Believes government knows the best choices that people should make and should enforce those good choices for the good of the people.


I could go on and on.

But the two parties as you can see are polar opposite in their values, ideals, and how they view the US citizens, and even in fundamental values.

So it is not so much Trump or Biden

But it is between:
A Democracy that is a Democratic Republic with an emphasis on personal responsibility and freedom
verses:
A Democracy that is Democratic Socialism with an emphasis on government care for the individual and limited freedom for the good of the overall society

They want two totally different forms of government.


That is the real issue, not the men themselves, but what they represent.



I see no middle ground between these two polar opposite views of what the US is and what it should be.



edit on 7/22/20 by The2Billies because: format



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 10:53 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: carewemust
No its not
Trump isn't all that
He is just better than that crapbag biden
Thats it
No great accomplishment

So you're willing to "meet in the middle". To compromise. That's good. If enough people on the other side are willing to do the same, progress can be made.

Depends on the issue
Definitely willing to discuss solutions

That's a very flexible mindset. You're open to voting for Joe Biden, if circumstances warrant.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 10:56 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: carewemust
No its not
Trump isn't all that
He is just better than that crapbag biden
Thats it
No great accomplishment

So you're willing to "meet in the middle". To compromise. That's good. If enough people on the other side are willing to do the same, progress can be made.

Depends on the issue
Definitely willing to discuss solutions

That's a very flexible mindset. You're open to voting for Joe Biden, if circumstances warrant.

What circumstances?
Trump proven to be hillary in disguise?



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: The2Billies

Trump is not extreme to the Right.

But Biden is extreme to the Left.

Yet most of the attacks from the LEFT on Trump has to do with who he is as a person, rather than his last 3 years of policies.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: The2Billies

Trump is not extreme to the Right.

But Biden is extreme to the Left.

Yet most of the attacks from the LEFT on Trump has to do with who he is as a person, rather than his last 3 years of policies.





Yes both are flawed men.

Biden however is so very old and with his brain surgery and brain bleeds seems to be showing signs of dementia. I worry the people won't be voting for him, but an unelected cabal who will actually "be President" with Biden as the front man. I do not see the economic policies of Biden or his controllers restoring the nation but reverting to his Obama days of a new normal of slow economic progress.

Trump is bombastic, true, and sometimes crude, true, and not always polite, true. But he has kept as many promises as the Congress would allow and I think his economic policies will restore the nation once the virus is gone.

I like what he has done far more than what the Democrats have done and what they propose to do. I feel Governors like Whitmer, Bashear and others have shown us exactly what Democrats will do with total power. I also feel that the Democratic run cities have shown us exactly how safe the nation will be when run by Democrats with total power and that frightens me.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 11:12 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

I am an independent. The reason that Independents are over looked is because few believe, even Independents, that there will be enough votes for an Independent candidate to win. Therefore, a vote for an Independent is a vote for the party the majority are believed to oppose.

I only truly fit in one of the Pew categories,

Independents feel more negatively about political candidates and parties than partisans.
, the rest didn't describe me at all.

I am not a fan of statistics.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 12:45 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: The2Billies

But Biden is extreme to the Left.





Uh... what? Biden is extreme left? That's news to anyone who is an actual leftist or has studied history for even a day.
That's how far the right has gone folks, that a center-right do-little corporatist is now "extreme to the Left".

When you picture Biden in your mind is he wearing a Che Guevara getup? The comedy of posts like this!
Be afraid! Be very afraid! Red scare!



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 01:04 PM
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a reply to: okrian
I like to picture my joe biden in a tuxedo tshirt.
So he is like formal, but still down to party.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 01:05 PM
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It unlikely to ever happen given the states poltical structure being a Democratic-Republic, or Republican- Democracy however you want it.

There are only two options available from what I understand and I dont think you guys can ever have a minority government od other various hybrid parties to screw with the politicians minds some more.

And then there the 2nd Amendment where if all else fails, you guys can vote with a gun. Where as your founding fathers where ether geniuses, crazy or both.


edit on 22-7-2020 by Specimen88 because: (no reason given)

edit on 22-7-2020 by Specimen88 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: vonclod
I think 50% of the votes will be for "anyone but him" that goes for both candidates.


What about Independents? At 38%, they are a huge chunk of voters.

www.pewresearch.org...

Some think they are wasted votes, I think one should vote their conscience. The 2 party system is not working, a fire starts with a spark.

The 50% # is just me winging it, don't know an actual # but I bet it is significant.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 09:00 PM
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originally posted by: wheresthebody
a reply to: carewemust

A person supporting either of these monsters just indicates what brainwashing techniques work on that individual.


So you vote for neither, accept the winner, and adapt to whatever policies he implements?

It's a good thing there are "checks and balances" in our governmental system.

A President who is not "all there" could end the American way of life, otherwise.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 09:03 PM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: shooterbrody

Trump is his own worst enemy in many ways.

I agree
He is consistant
Perhaps consistantly obtuse, but consistant.

And its very unusual to look back at statements made 20 years ago by a U.S. President, and see that he's attempting to implement policies that bring about the things he talked about back then.



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 09:03 PM
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a reply to: carewemust


That's Because they are ALL " Dementia-cursed socialist " Silly ! ......



posted on Jul, 22 2020 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
God help the World if Biden gets elected 🤣



I worry more about my children and grandchildren. Most Americans should. ANY U.S. President with Dementia can easily issue orders that lead to a quick military escalation, and mass destruction...even though he didn't intend to.




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