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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 05:42 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
a reply to: chr0naut




Those things are not the platform of the Democratic Party. A right-wing party did send 6 million Jews to the gas chambers and start a world war, though. Also, just four years ago, there was a Democratic Party US President - for eight years. The US wasn't half as messed up as it is right now. Perhaps you could consider that?

You really got to work on US Civics and US political parties.
Not only that , work on Civics in general ,especially dealing with history.
Never go by what your neighbor tells you.
Ever.


They don't teach 'US Civics', as such, in other countries of the world.

In most first-world countries, the 'education' of juveniles in only a single political system is called 'indoctrination'.

We much prefer comparative evaluation of many political systems; monarchies, democracies, republics, dictatorships, the Westminster system, communism, socialism, tribalism, technocracies, theocracies, meritocracies - all sorts.

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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 05:42 AM
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I'm sure there are Christians who are Democrats. But they are lying to themselves and bending all kinds of truths in order to justify their stance.


Can't the same argument be made about Republicans as well? I mean how can a party that values money over taking care of the needy be considered as upholding Christian values?



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 05:54 AM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: chr0naut

If you don't hate him then why are all your comments about Trump negative? NZlanders are Aussies? All the NZlanders I have known poopoo Aussies.


I am an Aussie, born and raised in Sydney, NSW. I now live in New Zealand. The climate is nicer and I moved because I found that the crime rate around me and my young family was rising unacceptably.

I don't regret moving. I actually cannot understand those who stay as their lives degenerate around them. Like for instance, those who scrape out a life of bare subsistence as an area of land turns to a desert, and don't have the will or intellect to simply move to somewhere nicer.

I have made some positive comments about Trump when he has done things that I believe were positive. If he hasn't done much that is positive (from my foreign viewpoint) that is hardly my fault. You have to understand, I am not an American. All the flag waving patriotic talk to me sounds incredibly stupid. Like staying in a desert for some vague, irrational and vaporous reason. I'd just move to somewhere nicer - as I did.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 06:11 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Some people find the desert, dry climate physically more comforting than a wetter climate, myself I've worked hot factories all my life so I keep my home around 65 degrees year round. Have you ever been to the USA? A past pastor of mine from NZ loved American roller derby, wrestling, doing donuts in the winter snow, and the open America highways. He was quite the card, very nice guy although he always rolled his eyes when referring to Aussies he had met.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 07:14 AM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: chr0naut
Nazism was a far left ideology.

Absolutely incorrect. Read some history, Nazism was a product of far right ideology.


The vast majority of people believe that Nazism and Fascism were far right political movements.

Yes, and the vast majority of people are totally correct in thinking that, as it is fact.


The official title of the Nazi party under Adolf Hitler was the "National Socialist German Workers’ Party".

Hitler chose that title deliberately to appeal to the political parties of the day in Germany at that time, such as the communist and social democratic workers parties.
This is called propaganda.


Please take note of the word "Socialist" in that title.

The Nazis were socialists.

Wrong

That is not right - that is far left.

The Nazi party were very much a far right fascist party. Who masqueraded as a socialist type of party to gain support.
Read some books.
Look at the history of what happened.
Stop spreading BS























posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 07:33 AM
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Seems like ATS is having a “The ship is sinking, let’s help it sink faster.”, mentality as of late. Thread predictions for the final week of ATS; “Are Democrats even humans?”, “Democrats East PooPoo For Breakfast And Will Force You To Do The Same”, “Joe Biden Sipping Adrenochrome During Debate”, “Pelosi’s Dentures Don’t Fit Because Large Lizard Tongue”.

(Actually, Pelosi’s lizard tongue may actually be effecting her dentures)



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

Why would anybody in their right mind believe anything the Democrat Parti writes or promises ?

🤣🦃🤣


Because they are major contributors to your current government, having a majority in Congress. If they actually wanted to destroy America, it would, by now, be destroyed. The truth is that they are Americans and their lives are entirely dependent upon not destroying America.


Lots of intelligent and knowledgeable people are thinking they are doing exactly that...trying to destroy America as it is/was. If you are watching in certain ways it is correct definitely when it comes to Christianity , they say " by any means". Not seeing calls for unity from either side honestly and all off it during on of the worse crisis the USA has faced in a long time, certainly one that is affecting most of the public.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 07:41 AM
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originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: chr0naut
Look at the covid policy of South Dakota a republican run state. Nazism was a far left ideology.


No!
As a German, a grandchild of people who were members or spouses to members of the SS, I can say with absolute certainty:

Nazism is a far right ideology!

Anything else is rewriting of history, and a lie.


It makes me smile bigley when you see this argument and knowing it comes from the same idiots who would argue how the Dixiecrats are really republicans, but the NAZI's were really republicans. it's as if the Democrats have always been the virtuous group, even with the bloody knife in their hands over a body.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: network dude
I take it you did not read my prior post comparing Nazism to today left so here it is again.
The vast majority of people believe that Nazism and Fascism were far right political movements.

But that assumption is completely and totally wrong, and this article will explain why.

The official title of the Nazi party under Adolf Hitler was the "National Socialist German Workers’ Party".

Please take note of the word "Socialist" in that title.

The Nazis were socialists.

That is not right - that is far left.

The Nazis advocated very tight social and economic control by a big, powerful central government.

That is a far left philosophy - not a far right one.

Big government is always the desire of leftists.

Well, what about social issues?

When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the very first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion in Germany.

By 1935, there were more than 500,000 abortions being performed in Germany each year.

Adolf Hitler was a huge fan of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood.

How did Margaret Sanger feel about unborn children?:

"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."

Hitler not only advocated abortion, but he also vigorously advanced the eugenics agenda of Planned Parenthood.

Adolf Hitler said, "The demand that defective people be prevented from propagating equally defective offspring. . . represents the most humane act of mankind."
-Mein Kampf, vol. 1, ch. 10

Hitler's obsession with eugenics resulted in the involuntary euthanasia of disabled people and the compulsory sterilization of thousands of people with mental deficiencies.

Just like the far left of today, Hitler had no respect for human life.

What about education? Were Hitler and the Nazis far right or far left?

In "The Swastika against the Cross: The Nazi War on Christianity", Bruce Walker describes how the Nazis declared an all out war against Christianity in their public schools. He documents historical facts such as the following:

-Only clergymen were permitted to teach religious classes, and those clergymen were forced to teach according to the anti-Christian instructions of the Nazi Ministry of Education.

-In the city of Wurrtemberg, when clergymen totally refused to follow Nazi teachings on religion, 700 of them were permanently banned from the classroom.

-Christian prayers were totally banned from the public classroom and crucifixes and other Christian symbols were physically removed as well.

-By 1935, the passionately anti-Christian leader of the Hitler Youth, Baldur von Shirach issued a stunning regulation that prohibited any child from belonging simultaneously to a Christian youth group and the Hitler Youth.

-Gradually membership in the Hitler Youth became almost obligatory, and parents were told that their children would not get good jobs in the civil service unless they belonged to the Hitler Youth and employers were told that they should not hire children who did not belong to the Hitler Youth.

-Christian children who did not belong to the Hitler Youth or its female counterpart were routinely beaten up by young Nazi thugs.

-Boys inducted into the Hitler Youth were required to explicitly reject Christianity by disgusting oaths such as this: “German blood and Christian baptismal water are completely incompatible.”

The following is an example of a an actual Hitler Youth slogan:

“The Faith fanatics, who still to-day slide down on their knees with faces uplifted to heaven, waste their time in churchgoing and prayers, and have not yet understood that they are living on the earth and that therefore their task is of a thoroughly earthly kind. All we Hitler people can still only look with the greatest contempt on those young people who still run to their silly Evangelical or Catholic Churches in order to vent their quite superstitious religious feelings.”

The following are actual quotes from Hitler Youth training manuals:

“Christianity is a religion of slaves and fools.”

“How did Christ die? Whining at the Cross!”

“The Ten Commandments represent the lowest instincts of man.”

“Christianity is merely a cloak for Judaism.”

The Nazi tract "Gott und Volk" was widely distributed in 1941, and it describes how the Nazis envisioned their children being raised: “With parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments… The education of the youth is to be confined primarily by the teacher, the officer, and the leaders of the party. The priests will die out. They have estranged the youth from the Volk. Into their places will step the leaders. Not deputies of God. But anyway the best Germans. And how shall we train our children? Thus, as though they had never heard of Christianity!”

Doesn't this philosophy sound way too familiar?

Today the ACLU and other far left organizations are rabidly trying to eliminate every shred of Christianity from the public schools of America.

So are Hitler and the Nazis closer to the Left of today or to the Right of today?

It appears that the answer is completely and totally obvious.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 10:05 AM
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Nazism is 100% a far right fascist ideology constructed by one of the most intolerant and destructive FAR RIGHT political movements this world has ever seen.
No matter how you fluff it up with exuberant nonsense. It is not and never was a socialist ideology in any way.

You cannot re write historical facts. There are many veterans still alive today who fought Fascism and who fought against the spread of Nazi ideology. They were NOT fighting socialism. Period. ASK THEM.
I know that socialism is a scary word to most of the US members here, but seriously....pick up a fecking book.
Read what happened in the world in the 1930s and, by world I mean outside the states !
The constant and un-ending BS being vomited across these forums is extremely tiresome.
How can so many people be so fecking obtuse. ?



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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 10:18 AM
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a reply to: cosmickat

In that case they lost that fight since the ideas of Fascism, is alive and well in the Democratic party today, the similarities are quite the same, racial politics, abortion, government control, hatred of Christianity, ect.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 10:26 AM
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a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Absolute rubbish !
What a strange and frightening bubble you are living in. Reminds me in a lot of ways of Gilead. Although a fiction atm , if there are people actually believing this total BS being written here then it is a future that is in real danger of becoming a reality.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 10:54 AM
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a reply to: cosmickat
Can you deny the similarities between the stated tenants of the left and Fascism? Abortion, hatred of Christianity, eugenics, etc?



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 11:07 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: chr0naut

Why would anybody in their right mind believe anything the Democrat Parti writes or promises ?

🤣🦃🤣


Because they are major contributors to your current government, having a majority in Congress. If they actually wanted to destroy America, it would, by now, be destroyed. The truth is that they are Americans and their lives are entirely dependent upon not destroying America.


Democrats only currently control the House.

Not the Senate or the Executive Branch.

Thank God there's at least 2 Parties that prevent total dominance by any one single party !!

Candidate Biden has said several times he will try to raise taxes and a few other negative things !!

Hip Hip Hooray 😎🚬🦃




posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: PhilbertDezineck





From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

"Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler, the leaders of Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany respectively, were both fascists.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]


Left Wing Politics, a definition.
Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.[1][2][3][4] It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.[1] "


In politics when you get so far to the end of the spectrum, be it right or left, crazy stuff starts to happen and the whole construct breaks down.
You can take your particular issues, abortion debate, separation of state and religion...whatever keeps you awake at night, and you can twist the narrative and put these issues at the feet of whatever brand of politics stands against your system of beliefs. It is all rhetorical nonsense. Makes for good arguments for or against particular political candidates, and that is all.

Of course I deny any similarities between Fascism and what you are calling " left wing " .....why? Because they are at opposite ends of the spectrum !

wiki
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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: cosmickat

Check closely all the bracketed "sources" and "references" and see the non-proof that establishes the "definitions and labels"

All based on assumptive-deductive speculation and fake evidence😎



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 11:56 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen
What are you talking about ?



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:19 PM
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a reply to: cosmickat

IS it hard for you to de nigh that the left of today mirrors the tenants of Nazism? Is it the right who is pro abortion, pro eugenics killing the new born after birth, it was the Nazis who put the Jews into slums who has placed the blacks into slums today the left has. Who wants larger government the left the same as the government control of the Fascist, who removed God from the schools the Fascist and the left, I could go on and on can you give examples of the right acting like Fascist today?



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:33 PM
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So is a OP suggesting ALL liberals are atheist? LOL

I don't think people really understand that the vast majority of the country are moderates and what this mean is most left and right are very close in views, but they lean one way or the other. What everyone sees in the news, the people making the noise are small numbers of extremist in reality.



1) Destroying America as we have known it. Just see BLM and other anarchist movements.


Last time I looked BLM leadership are full blown Marxists and anarchist are not liberal either...



2) Ensuring Abortion is legal everywhere, even to the point of killing a baby after it has been born.

There is a huge difference between early term abortions and late term... Most agree from both the left and right that early term is acceptable outside of the very religious that can even stretch to the point that birth control of any kind including condoms are against God. What this means is most want a reasonable approach and late term abortions, abortions for profit, tax payers paying for it are example of areas that draw debate, but the zero abortion view is really a small percentage of the population.



3) Deconstructing any and all support structures for religion, specifically directed at Christian churches. (Tax Free etc)

I don't really see this...there are a lot of Black churches too as example that are like 85% liberal. Here is your list, so tell me whether the liberals in general want to do this one.





4) Abolishing the 2nd Amendment. Leaving us unable to defend our rights.


I think masses of them are buying guns now, but only about 16% own gun personally, but close 50% have them in their house, so the 2nd is not going away anytime soon.



6) Anything said towards the Chinese totalitarianship = racist. Remember the Never Never Never slogan for allowing the holocaust to happen on this planet again? Look no further than China today and their muslim and Christian populations.


Too broad to include this as a Liberal stance. Most Americans understand what is going on in China, and that it is not good in so many different directions. Most orgs with a lot of liberal base such as the NBA, Hollywood, hi-tech, media etc are supporting China base on business motives only...politically they see China as the rest of us do, but are not ready to lose profit over it.....




7) Labeling people that believe the bible 100% as crazy lunatics. I personally can't see how people believe wholeheartedly in evolution vs creationism. If you do just even a little bit of homework you will find amazing flaws in their arguments. Carbon dating and the use of Egypt to incorrectly date all prehistoric and historical sites in Europe and Asia is another stinker.


See chart on point 3

We do have a problem with the the woke left trying to take over the liberal platform, and leadership is letting them do it. Junior congress members, interns at media outlets are pushing these woke extremest point to include much of what is going on in areas like protesting/rioting, the media etc. I think the liberal establishment is too scared to doing anything otherwise be painted a racist/Nazi or 8 other labels and the new cancel culture is taking liberals down left and right as the ones who actually got the balls to speak out... Its like a woke person pointing a finger at them screaming RASITS! if anyone on the left even remotely disagrees and then are fired...removed...forced to resign...boycotted... Also something like an opening line "As a woman of color" pretty much shuts up the liberal establishment no matter outrageous the comments might be afterwards.

We also have this thing call election year, and the left are willing to sell their souls to get Trump out. We will see how that plays out as I said that the vast majority of the left are moderates with very little difference from the large moderate right based population. Remember that 44% of voters didn't vote last time... When we say woke left, or Trump boot lickers both are well under 10% of their respected parties, but boy their whine sound like they are 95% of their party.



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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:01 PM
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originally posted by: cosmickat

Of course I deny any similarities between Fascism and what you are calling " left wing " .....why? Because they are at opposite ends of the spectrum !

wiki


So extreme on the right would be dictator/Fascism, and extremes on the left would be Communism.

The problem is they are both the same in the end. If we look at old Russia or China today under Communism tell me if this isn't what they were/are...

Forcible suppression of opposition, as well as a system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, or one ruler, a economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

Today this woke left can identify as Marxist while demonstrating Fascist ideals and actions at the same time. There really isn't much difference in the end except they are all extremist.




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