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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:02 AM
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As a Christian, I wonder if it is possible for another Christian to be a Democrat?

Is there such a thing as a Christian Democrat? Their platform seems to be hellbent on the following:

1) Destroying America as we have known it. Just see BLM and other anarchist movements.
2) Ensuring Abortion is legal everywhere, even to the point of killing a baby after it has been born.
3) Deconstructing any and all support structures for religion, specifically directed at Christian churches. (Tax Free etc)
4) Abolishing the 2nd Amendment. Leaving us unable to defend our rights.
5) Boycott Divest Sanction Israel movement, with the help of George Soros. Which amazingly ironic, check his childhood. Perfect match.
6) Anything said towards the Chinese totalitarianship = racist. Remember the Never Never Never slogan for allowing the holocaust to happen on this planet again? Look no further than China today and their muslim and Christian populations.
7) Labeling people that believe the bible 100% as crazy lunatics. I personally can't see how people believe wholeheartedly in evolution vs creationism. If you do just even a little bit of homework you will find amazing flaws in their arguments. Carbon dating and the use of Egypt to incorrectly date all prehistoric and historical sites in Europe and Asia is another stinker.

There is a lot more I could throw up there. But the list was already getting long.
My thoughts are, once the Democratic party takes control of the House Senate and Presidency, they will unleash their full wrath on Christianity in America. And the mobs will be their police, to include Google/YouTube, Twitter, FaceBook, and the rest.

Like China, you will have to go to extreme length to find a gathering place to voice your opposition. You won't see or hear any of the opposition on the major news networks. And it will be censored and banned online.

The way I see it, this is bound to happen anyways. In order for bible prophecy to be fulfilled, a strong Christian Nation with a strong leader cannot be present in the world scene.

Ironically, the left will not go after Islam. Even though that religion is against absolutely everything the left stands for.

I'm sure there are Christians who are Democrats. But they are lying to themselves and bending all kinds of truths in order to justify their stance.
This is where a two party system breaks down.




posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:12 AM
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Sounds like someone is advocating for a State religion?

Ah, but then there is that troublesome thing called the Constitution...



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:20 AM
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a reply to: FingerMan

Just look at the covid policy in Democratically controlled states , abortion service a critical need liquor stores and pot dispensaries too. Limit religious gathering no singing.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:25 AM
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originally posted by: FingerMan
As a Christian, I wonder if it is possible for another Christian to be a Democrat?

Is there such a thing as a Christian Democrat? Their platform seems to be hellbent on the following:

1) Destroying America as we have known it. Just see BLM and other anarchist movements.
2) Ensuring Abortion is legal everywhere, even to the point of killing a baby after it has been born.
3) Deconstructing any and all support structures for religion, specifically directed at Christian churches. (Tax Free etc)
4) Abolishing the 2nd Amendment. Leaving us unable to defend our rights.
5) Boycott Divest Sanction Israel movement, with the help of George Soros. Which amazingly ironic, check his childhood. Perfect match.
6) Anything said towards the Chinese totalitarianship = racist. Remember the Never Never Never slogan for allowing the holocaust to happen on this planet again? Look no further than China today and their muslim and Christian populations.
7) Labeling people that believe the bible 100% as crazy lunatics. I personally can't see how people believe wholeheartedly in evolution vs creationism. If you do just even a little bit of homework you will find amazing flaws in their arguments. Carbon dating and the use of Egypt to incorrectly date all prehistoric and historical sites in Europe and Asia is another stinker.

There is a lot more I could throw up there. But the list was already getting long.
My thoughts are, once the Democratic party takes control of the House Senate and Presidency, they will unleash their full wrath on Christianity in America. And the mobs will be their police, to include Google/YouTube, Twitter, FaceBook, and the rest.

Like China, you will have to go to extreme length to find a gathering place to voice your opposition. You won't see or hear any of the opposition on the major news networks. And it will be censored and banned online.

The way I see it, this is bound to happen anyways. In order for bible prophecy to be fulfilled, a strong Christian Nation with a strong leader cannot be present in the world scene.

Ironically, the left will not go after Islam. Even though that religion is against absolutely everything the left stands for.

I'm sure there are Christians who are Democrats. But they are lying to themselves and bending all kinds of truths in order to justify their stance.
This is where a two party system breaks down.


Those things are not the platform of the Democratic Party.

A right-wing party did send 6 million Jews to the gas chambers and start a world war, though.

Also, just four years ago, there was a Democratic Party US President - for eight years. The US wasn't half as messed up as it is right now. Perhaps you could consider that?



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:28 AM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: FingerMan

Just look at the covid policy in Democratically controlled states , abortion service a critical need liquor stores and pot dispensaries too. Limit religious gathering no singing.


So, are you suggesting that the 'red' states aren't having problems with COVID-19?

It's more likely to be just unpopulated yokel states who 'don't like them cities' than a virus that has a political bias.

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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:39 AM
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originally posted by: Bhadhidar
Sounds like someone is advocating for a State religion?

Ah, but then there is that troublesome thing called the Constitution...

Never said such a thing, nor would. Lame argument.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:40 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

That is some lying right there.
And yes, Obama did enough damage. Which is how we got Trump.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:53 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut
Look at the covid policy of South Dakota a republican run state. Nazism was a far left ideology.

The vast majority of people believe that Nazism and Fascism were far right political movements.

But that assumption is completely and totally wrong, and this article will explain why.

The official title of the Nazi party under Adolf Hitler was the "National Socialist German Workers’ Party".

Please take note of the word "Socialist" in that title.

The Nazis were socialists.

That is not right - that is far left.

The Nazis advocated very tight social and economic control by a big, powerful central government.

That is a far left philosophy - not a far right one.

Big government is always the desire of leftists.

Well, what about social issues?

When the Nazis came to power in 1933 one of the very first acts Hitler did was to legalize abortion in Germany.

By 1935, there were more than 500,000 abortions being performed in Germany each year.

Adolf Hitler was a huge fan of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood.

How did Margaret Sanger feel about unborn children?:

"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."

Hitler not only advocated abortion, but he also vigorously advanced the eugenics agenda of Planned Parenthood.

Adolf Hitler said, "The demand that defective people be prevented from propagating equally defective offspring. . . represents the most humane act of mankind."
-Mein Kampf, vol. 1, ch. 10

Hitler's obsession with eugenics resulted in the involuntary euthanasia of disabled people and the compulsory sterilization of thousands of people with mental deficiencies.

Just like the far left of today, Hitler had no respect for human life.

What about education? Were Hitler and the Nazis far right or far left?

In "The Swastika against the Cross: The Nazi War on Christianity", Bruce Walker describes how the Nazis declared an all out war against Christianity in their public schools. He documents historical facts such as the following:

-Only clergymen were permitted to teach religious classes, and those clergymen were forced to teach according to the anti-Christian instructions of the Nazi Ministry of Education.

-In the city of Wurrtemberg, when clergymen totally refused to follow Nazi teachings on religion, 700 of them were permanently banned from the classroom.

-Christian prayers were totally banned from the public classroom and crucifixes and other Christian symbols were physically removed as well.

-By 1935, the passionately anti-Christian leader of the Hitler Youth, Baldur von Shirach issued a stunning regulation that prohibited any child from belonging simultaneously to a Christian youth group and the Hitler Youth.

-Gradually membership in the Hitler Youth became almost obligatory, and parents were told that their children would not get good jobs in the civil service unless they belonged to the Hitler Youth and employers were told that they should not hire children who did not belong to the Hitler Youth.

-Christian children who did not belong to the Hitler Youth or its female counterpart were routinely beaten up by young Nazi thugs.

-Boys inducted into the Hitler Youth were required to explicitly reject Christianity by disgusting oaths such as this: “German blood and Christian baptismal water are completely incompatible.”

The following is an example of a an actual Hitler Youth slogan:

“The Faith fanatics, who still to-day slide down on their knees with faces uplifted to heaven, waste their time in churchgoing and prayers, and have not yet understood that they are living on the earth and that therefore their task is of a thoroughly earthly kind. All we Hitler people can still only look with the greatest contempt on those young people who still run to their silly Evangelical or Catholic Churches in order to vent their quite superstitious religious feelings.”

The following are actual quotes from Hitler Youth training manuals:

“Christianity is a religion of slaves and fools.”

“How did Christ die? Whining at the Cross!”

“The Ten Commandments represent the lowest instincts of man.”

“Christianity is merely a cloak for Judaism.”

The Nazi tract "Gott und Volk" was widely distributed in 1941, and it describes how the Nazis envisioned their children being raised: “With parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments… The education of the youth is to be confined primarily by the teacher, the officer, and the leaders of the party. The priests will die out. They have estranged the youth from the Volk. Into their places will step the leaders. Not deputies of God. But anyway the best Germans. And how shall we train our children? Thus, as though they had never heard of Christianity!”

Doesn't this philosophy sound way too familiar?

Today the ACLU and other far left organizations are rabidly trying to eliminate every shred of Christianity from the public schools of America.

So are Hitler and the Nazis closer to the Left of today or to the Right of today?

It appears that the answer is completely and totally obvious.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:56 AM
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a reply to: FingerMan

Jesus said you can tell Christians vs Non-Christians by the fruits they produce.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 12:58 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

And it is truth. Not sure where you going though.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:00 AM
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a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

Very good points all. You know the more impactful persuasive and salient your points, the more they virulent the left gets.

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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:00 AM
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originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: chr0naut

That is some lying right there.
And yes, Obama did enough damage. Which is how we got Trump.


www.abovetopsecret.com...
Here he is claiming that President Trump wants to raise taxes, open borders, allow illegals the vote, defund the military, give reparations for slavery and kill babies

If he isn’t lying, he isn’t posting



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:01 AM
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originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: chr0naut

That is some lying right there.


That was what I was saying, they aren't the platform of the Democratic Party. It's right wing lies and false accusations.

Party Platform - Democratic Party.


And yes, Obama did enough damage. Which is how we got Trump.


So, Obama did the damage, but it is after four years of Trump that it is only now obvious? Imagine how much damage Obama will have done under four more years of Trump! I doubt America will survive.

No, America got what it deserved. Trump is the agent of God's judgment on America - always snookered by the superior intelligence and cunning of Obama, and the liberals, and the leftists, and the Democrats, constantly incapable of doing anything against it, and blaming everyone else.

America was the hottest economy in the world and the top military power.

Now, it isn't.

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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:02 AM
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originally posted by: Breakthestreak

originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: chr0naut

That is some lying right there.
And yes, Obama did enough damage. Which is how we got Trump.


www.abovetopsecret.com...
Here he is claiming that President Trump wants to raise taxes, open borders, allow illegals the vote, defund the military, give reparations for slavery and kill babies

If he isn’t lying, he isn’t posting

You know your stuff man!

Knew I called that one right.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:03 AM
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originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: FingerMan
a reply to: chr0naut

That is some lying right there.


That was what I was saying, they aren't the platform of the Democratic Party. It's right wing lies and false accusations.

Party Platform - Democratic Party.


And yes, Obama did enough damage. Which is how we got Trump.


So, Obama did the damage, but it is after four years of Trump that it is only now obvious? Imagine how much damage Obama will have done under four more years of Trump! I doubt America will survive.

No, America got what it deserved. Trump is the agent of God's judgement on America - always snookered by the superior intelligence and cunning of Obama, and the liberals, and the leftists, and the Democrats, constantly incapable of doing anything against it and blaming everyone else. America was the hottest economy in the world and the top military power. Now, it isn't.


This is not a "Hate America" Thread. And I do not agree with that crazy assessment.

Trump has been the most productive president we've seen in our lifetime. He has some if's to his speaking. But that is a farcry from tearing America apart as did Obama.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:18 AM
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a reply to: chr0naut

Why would anybody in their right mind believe anything the Democrat Parti writes or promises ?

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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:27 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Why would anybody in their right mind believe political trolls?
I am not sure you get it, there is no Dems or Reps, only people who believe crap and perpetuate it and run around hammering their chest.
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posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:34 AM
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originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: chr0naut
Look at the covid policy of South Dakota a republican run state. Nazism was a far left ideology.


No!
As a German, a grandchild of people who were members or spouses to members of the SS, I can say with absolute certainty:

Nazism is a far right ideology!

Anything else is rewriting of history, and a lie.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 01:57 AM
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a reply to: ManFromEurope

Did you read my post on the similarities of the left today and the Nazi ideology? You are the one denigrating historical facts facts. It was the left who would not allow Jews to immigrate to America in the 1930's ,it was the leftest New York Times who gave Stalin a platform to speak through.



posted on Jul, 20 2020 @ 02:44 AM
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As a Christian, I wonder if it is possible for another Christian to be a Democrat?


My personal conviction: I'd say no. But then, I'd say the same thing about Republican, Libertarian or any other party.

As a Christian, for a while I was a Libertarian, but then I realized that the Libertarian aim is to immanentize the eschaton by the power of human governance.

Then I realized that that is actually the goal of every political party that has ever existed or will exist. Each one has a different way to go about it, but that's their goal always.

So, I decided that I should be independent. I don't owe my allegiance to any party because they cannot fulfill the mandates of the Kingdom of God and will only fail in trying to do so. That's not to say that I don't engage the political system as best I can and as corrupt and broken as it is. I will vote not by party. I will vote as is best in keeping with my understanding of Biblical standards, or sometimes for what is least against those; but other times still, I may refrain from voting completely if the choices are just all bad.



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